A lot of Russians are onsite at this reactor. Russia just recently changed its laws to allow Russian military to be sent to countries in which Russian citizens live in order to protect them. I can see them operating S-400s in Iran now.
Revolution in Iran
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Unbelievable that this even needs to be said. And more unbelievable that even once said, they still won't get it.
I don't think Iran is going to plan on ever, letting the USA and Israel get away with what has happened.
Looks like one of those tactics, where a peace deal is made, for the purpose of building an army to attack later.
False. Never at any time in the Bible does God denote a gentile as "Israel", a son of Jacob.
In Romans 9, Paul is speaking of actual Israelite believers vs Israelite non-believers.
The term "spiritual Israel" is not found anywhere in Scripture.
And to cap this off, the New Covenant promises and blessings UNIQUE to the gentile Church and UNIQUE to the nation Israel are BOTH contained in the covenant made with Abraham. The Church enjoys spiritual union NOW, then the nation Israel will LATER, post-repentance per Hosea 6:1-2 and HUNDREDS of other passages.
And Acts 1:6-7 confirms that the kingdom WILL be restored to the Nation Israel inevitably.
From a linguistic standpoint, the Greek construction of the disciples' question and Jesus' subsequent answer strongly implies that the restoration of the kingdom is a certainty, even if the timing was withheld.
The precision of the Greek in Acts 1:6–7 provides three key grammatical markers that support the literal restoration of the nation:
1. The Verb Apokathistanis (Restore)
The disciples use the word ἀποκαθιστάνεις (apokathistaneis).
The Meaning: This is a compound of apo (back again) and kathistēmi (to set in order). In classical and Septuagint Greek, it specifically refers to reconstitution or returning something to its original, rightful state.
The Implication: You cannot "restore" something that never existed. By using this word, the disciples are referring to the specific, national, Davidic kingdom of the Old Testament. If Jesus intended to replace Israel with a "spiritual church," this would be a "replacement" or "new creation," not a restoration.
2. The Use of "Israel" (tō Israēl)
The disciples specify the beneficiary of this restoration: τῷ Ἰσραήλ (tō Israēl).
The Specificity: In the New Testament, when "Israel" is used without qualification in a historical or political context, it refers to the ethnic/national progeny of Jacob.
Jesus’ Non-Correction: Most tellingly, Jesus does not correct their terminology. He does not say, "You misunderstand; there is no kingdom for Israel." Instead, He addresses the chronology ("It is not for you to know times or seasons"). In logic, to dispute the timing of an event is to concede the reality of the event itself.
3. The Noun Chronos vs. Kairos (Times and Seasons)
In verse 7, Jesus says it is not for them to know the χρόνους (chronous) or καιρούς (kairous).
The Distinction: Chronos refers to chronological time (minutes, days, years), while kairos refers to "epochal" time or "the right moment."
The Fulfillment: By saying these times are "fixed by the Father's own authority," Jesus affirms that the "restoration" is a scheduled event on the Father’s calendar. If the restoration were never going to happen, there would be no "time or season" to keep secret.
False. God has declared in HUNDREDS of passages that He will redeem Israel yet future.
That is the purpose of the time of Jacobs trouble. To bring Israel to the point of repentance.
But there is SO MUCH more: there are the many Biblical types and patterns proving the same.
Furthermore, massive quantities of specific prophecies and commentary that fill fully 1/3 of the Bible.
But the NATION Israel will ONLY obtain their covenant possessions AFTER receiving their Kinsman Redeemer.
Made clear by the four "UNTIL" statements of Scripture. And of course the unequivocal statement by God thru Moses, Ezekiel, Joel, Amos, Micah, Isaiah, Jerimiah and most of the prophets.
Eze 37:11
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14
And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
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National Israel will not permanently obtain her full Abrahamic/Davidic covenant possessions until she receives her Kinsman-Redeemer (Messiah) at the end of the Time of Jacob’s Trouble.
Let’s test that proposition biblically and prophetically.
The Land Promise Is Unconditional — But Possession Is ConditionalThe Covenant Itself
In Genesis 15, God alone passes between the pieces. The land promise is unilateral and irrevocable (cf. Gen 15:18–21; 17:7–8). The covenant depends on God, not Israel’s obedience.
But…
Enjoyment of the Land Is Conditional
Deuteronomy 28 makes clear:
Obedience → security in the land
Disobedience → expulsion from the land
This establishes a pattern:
Title is unconditional; enjoyment is conditional.
Israel’s Final Regathering Requires RepentanceThe key text is Deuteronomy 30:1–6.
Notice the order:
Scattering among the nations
National repentance
God gathers them
Then they possess the land permanently
Verse 6 is decisive:
“The LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart…”
That is New Covenant language (cf. Jer 31; Ezek 36).
Thus:
Permanent possession follows spiritual transformation.
The “Time of Jacob’s Trouble” Produces National RepentanceJeremiah 30:7:
“Alas! for that day is great… it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”
The tribulation is not merely judgment — it is purification.
Compare:
Zechariah 12:10
“They shall look upon me whom they have pierced…”
Zechariah 13:8–9
A remnant refined and brought to faith.
Repentance comes at the climax of national distress.
The Kinsman-Redeemer Must Be Received Before the KingdomThe pattern of the Kinsman Redeemer is seen in Ruth:
Naomi (Israel) loses possession
Ruth (Gentile bride) is gathered first
Boaz redeems only after the legal issue is settled
The land is restored through the Redeemer
Prophetic parallel:
Israel temporarily set aside
Gentile fullness gathered (Rom 11:25)
Then “all Israel shall be saved” (Rom 11:26)
Messiah Returns Before Israel’s Kingdom PossessionMatthew 23:39:
“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh…”
That is national acknowledgment.
Then:
Zechariah 14:3–4
Messiah stands on the Mount of Olives and delivers Jerusalem.
Only after this intervention does Israel dwell securely.
Ezekiel 36–37: Cleansing Before Dwelling SecurelyIn Ezekiel 36:
Order matters:
Regathering
Cleansing
New heart
Indwelling Spirit
Then dwelling securely in the land
Chapter 37 (Valley of Dry Bones) shows:
National resurrection
Then “David my servant” reigns
Then everlasting covenant of peace
The kingdom follows spiritual rebirth.
Daniel 9 Places the Turning Point at the End of the 70th WeekDaniel 9:24 states six goals for Israel:
Finish transgression
Make an end of sins
Bring in everlasting righteousness
Those are spiritual objectives fulfilled at the climax of the 70th week — not before.
Thus covenant fulfillment waits until that moment.
Romans 11: National Salvation Precedes RestorationRomans 11:25–27:
Blindness in part… until the fullness of the Gentiles…
And so all Israel shall be saved.
Paul connects:
Removal of blindness
Covenant forgiveness
Then fulfillment of promises
Restoration is tied to redemption.
Logical Flow of the Prophetic Order
Israel scattered
Partial regathering in unbelief (modern state)
Time of Jacob’s Trouble
National repentance
Reception of Messiah
Spiritual regeneration
Messianic Kingdom
Secure covenant possession
If Israel permanently possessed the covenant land before receiving the Redeemer:
Deut 30 order would be violated
Jer 31 New Covenant timing would be reversed
Zech 12 national repentance would be unnecessary
Rom 11 sequence would collapse
Theological Conclusion
Yes — Scripture consistently places permanent covenant possession AFTER national repentance and reception of Messiah at the end of Jacob’s Trouble.
The land promise is irrevocable.
But its final secure enjoyment awaits:
The appearance and acceptance of Israel’s Kinsman-Redeemer.
Biblically illiterate delusional nonsense.
Explain if you can these crucial UNTIL statements pertaining to (at the time) UNBELIEVING ISRAEL.
Act 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: (70 AD) and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (Psalm 118:26)
Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
"that blindness in part is happened to Israel" in context (including countless prophecies) MUST be speaking to unbelieving ethnic national Jews of that era. Who will CERTAINLY believe only when the UNTIL time boundary has been concluded.
It really is... all things are permissible to bring on the rapture it seems.
oh good. They are talking about regme change. But I think, there is going to be so many people who want revenge to happen.
Maybe you could read Galatians.
Paul is speaking about spiritual group in Galatians 6:16, not an ethnic one.
As well we see that Paul is not speaking about ethic or national divisions in this same letter (Galatians 3:26; 4:5–7; 6:15)
So yes "spiritual Israel" is a term which can be used and is correct for believers....... those who are part of the tree.
Wrong. Eisegesis. You break your own rules nonchalantly whenever you please.
Written to the believers (formerly, primarily gentiles) of Church in Galatia
Paul is clear, no wonder you always have to go back to the OT.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:26
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Galatians 4:28
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:7
And you know what else is clear.......
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).
Romans 2:28–29: “A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.”
All in the near future from when it was written and the audience to whom it was written.
Problem solved.
When in the actual Roman history immediately after Revelation was written wasn't the Apocalypse but actually a golden age literally called the reign of the Five Good Emperors. Rome would actually reach its greatest historical point both in hard territory, imperial might, and internal harmony and social upliftment in this era under Hadrian.
One liner Bible tweets rendering an obtuse opinion that defy Scripture are conclusive proof that you are dead wrong.
BTW, the many proofs that I have already posted you have yet to successfully refute at any point.
Not a one of them.
I could literally post hundreds of similar nature. Enough to make your eyes bleed.