Loss of salvation???
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Seems God is using this technique quite often these days...So it is your belief that we may become God's yo-yo, to play with.
You're saved, you're not saved, you're saved, etc. . . .
If you are saved you will confess.
It is a sure sign that one has passed from death to life.
Was your response to the mailman meant to tell him he's wrong and teaching falsely re: John6:29?
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If you don’t hear about the “something” first, how can you have faith about that “something” without hearing about it?
“But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.”
Hebrews 11:6 NKJV
Man must have the faith in His heart, otherwise we can’t please Him.
yup, couldn't tell.
looks like he doesn't think believing per that verse is a work as you seemed to state.
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Yeah, I thought so. It seems more of a misunderstanding in peoples’ perception in grammar of that one word “through.”
It’s a caveat, based on something conditional.
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Meaning by way of….
Salvation is based on a condition…faith.
If you don’t have it, then there is no salvation. We must have faith in order to please Him.
But there are other verses that you must follow too. This is just a part.
Not conditional at all. You're really having a lot of difficulty with that verse, aren't you? Do you see "by the power of God" in it?
That should tell you all you need to know - that God is in complete control. and for those of His inheritance, He, and He alone, will unconditionally guarantee they are kept unto salvation by faith until salvation is fully realized in its final form. It is as unconditional as anything can be since it is by God not man.
Part of the problem in reading these posts is that they are repetitive copy and paste.
- @Genez seems to clearly think belief is a work God requires of man
- I can't tell for sure what @mailmandan thinks:
- Is belief a work that man does to receive salvation but not part of a series of works to receive salvation?
@Genez - you say you agree with him - does he agree with you?
He was breaking down the logic correctly...
Works was a man made system for others to follow to secure eternal life.
But, one sole work of believing is not related to such a system.
Believing is not to be confused with a system "works" as it was being used in that day.
Works as prescribed by those whop dared to give them were not having any consistent thing to do.
One religious hypocrite could name several things, while another, would speak of other things to do to be saved.
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Acts 16:31
That was a single work. The only one that was to bring salvation.
There is no merit in believing.
The one being believed in holds the merit in regard to Jesus Christ.
If I take something to cure an illness, and it does?
It is what was taken that caused the cure.
That substance holds the merit!
Not the one taking it.
Willing to take it did not cure him.
What was taken, did.
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Absolutely conditional on man having faith. W/o it, it’s impossible to please Him; which you obviously dismiss.
In John 6:29, Jesus uses a paradoxical play on words to change the viewpoint of the audience's request for works. Jesus clarifies that the work God requires is not a system of works in order to merit eternal life, but the act of believing in Jesus in whom God has sent.
Understood. But it's unclear if he is willing to say that belief is a work man does.
He and I and another few posters went through this Scripture fairly extensively in early 2025.
When Jesus says 'this is the work of God - or the work God requires' - 'this' looks to be pointing back to John6:27 where Jesus commands them to work for lasting food for eternal life that Jesus will give them.
The wording can say that working for this food is for the purpose of believing in Jesus whom God sent.
So, in effect He is commanding them to work to believe in Him, which is essentially what I read you to say - belief is a work men do in response to Jesus' command to work to believe.
Jesus elaborates further in the drawing instruction.