Women in Islam

[gb9]

Nothing was done "in secret" .... our warships had been moved to the gulf area weeks before. Trump repeatedly stated that our desired outcome was negotiation. But, there were lines in the sand that Iran was not to cross, and there were concessions that they had to make, in order to move forward.... they repeatedly, adamantly refused. They were, from all intel accounts, just weeks from having the uranium refined enough to build bombs. THEIR strategy was to stall, lie, postpone long enough to get their bombs built.

THAT is why Trump gave them a hard, fast deadline to make the concessions. When they PROVED that they had no intention of stopping their drive to get nuclear weapons, the US and Israel took action.

That is not "perfidy"... that is a practical response to an un-cooperative threat to the US and the safety of the gulf region.



That is no more terrorism than the crash of our service aircraft... it was an accident... in wars, bad things happen, many times, accidentally.

You really need to remove your TDS tinfoil hat...

take this however you will-

iran has been saying that they met with u s officials for negotiations the friday before the attacks began on sat, 3 weeks ago,

they said they left the meeting with the understanding that more talks would be held on monday,


so, they are claiming they were double crossed and sneak attacked.

so, there is that..

 

[hornetguy]

of course they would claim that...

"just meet with us one more time, in a week or two".... nothing comes of that meeting... "let's meet again, in a week or two"... nothing comes of that one either.... drag it out until they finish enriching their uranium.... before the bombing began, when they met with Rubio and Jared, they started the meeting off with ....." we have enough enriched uranium to build at least 10-11 bombs"

Does that sound, to any reasonable person, as a gesture of good will?

 

[Lanolin]

I may have omitted one more misogynist aspect of Islam. Under Sharia law, husbands are permitted to beat their wives. Listening to a Muslim male trying to explain and justify this is both fascinating and horrifying.

How any non Muslim woman can convert to Islam is beyond my comprehension.

If I could maybe ask Sinead O'Connor that question...but then she came from the Catholic church, where women (and children) were treated in similar fashion. So I don't know, she's not here anymore though.

I will read her memoir though and get back to you. It might be she married or was seduced by a muslim man, so she had to convert to stay with him.

That wouldn't be too hard to comprehend. The same thing happens in catholic churches, non-catholics marry catholics and they HAVE to convert.

In some baptist circles, the more extreme ones, beating/whacking/smacking babies and young children who can't defend themselves is acceptable 'discipline'

 

[Lanolin]

My perspective from a nation that had a crazy man murder 50 muslims by shooting them down in a Mosque in Christchurch...well I don't really know what was going through the gunman's mind. It would be stupid to try and figure it out.

We don't live in a Theocracy though. Our laws change all the time depending on who's in power. We ordinary citizens don't shoot people down, we just elect them in or out. That's the way it is in most nations where there is democracy. it's not a perfect system, but for the most part, it is livable.

Sometimes the people in power or put themselves up to be elected are ...not all right in the head, but nobody else really wants the job, so we just have them by default.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Iran is ruled by Sharia law. Many people are ignorant of what that means for women. I've watched interviews with young women who object to America's involvement with the war against Iran. One was wearing a revealing outfit that would get her arrested, beaten and likely raped - if she survived. The dress code is only the beginning of repression.

This not extreme Islam. It is according to Sharia law, based on the life of Mohamed and the Quran.

Marriage. A female has no say in who she may marry. Her husband is chosen for her and polygamy is permitted. The age of marriage is 13 for girls and 15 for boys. That minimum age can be waived if the father of the girl wants her to marry sooner. In some regions, it is common for close relatives to marry. This has lead to birth defects and the transmission of genetic disorders.

Once married, a woman has no right to independence. She also has no right to refuse sex. According to religious rulings, the primary purpose of a woman is to "pleasure" the husband.

Dress code. This is the obvious face of Islam. Women have been shot and killed because they did not wear the hijab appropriately. Many of those arrested and punished are not Muslim. That is of no consequence to the regime.

Rape. Non-Muslim women are allowed to be raped according to the Quran. This was made plain when Hamas invaded Israel. I fail to see how a 9 year old girl can consent to sex. But that is when Mohamed slept with his 9 year old wife. So Muslims think it acceptable.

Legal status. A woman has half the value of a man. In court, it means that her testimony is of half the value of a man.

Iran is not a Muslim nation as somewhere like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait could be considered. It was secular up until 1979. Most other Muslim nations are steeped in Muslim culture and few know anything else. Indonesia is an exception.

All that non Muslim Iranians want is the same rights as anyone else. In the other words, the rights that Europe, the UK and parts of America are throwing away right now. It is the supreme irony that the Middle East is beginning to soften its hard line Islamist stance while much of the West is sinking into Muslim hell.

You do not have to like Mr Trump. You do not have to care about Israel. But criticising the war against Iran is absurd. Some complain about Epstein. I don't much about him. If you care about paedophiles getting what they deserve and the rights of women, you will approve of the War against Iran.

Okay yes obviously there is wrongs either way Islam. I’m not shying from the fact. But remember a lot is propaganda and news and certain sects. I agree with many points you’ve made.

However there’s is absolutely zero justification for bombing Iran. Period. They aren’t bombing Iran for Islam. Remember the lie was all about nuclear. The real reason they were bombed was for oil. It’s always oil. The play with the markets , to manipulate everything. Remember mister Gideon, the so called country you defend that bombs anyone and everyone will not care the slightest if your fuel at the pumps increases. Please let’s not be naive here. The agenda isn’t even Islam. It’s an idea the create hate. A justification you fell for. And it’s working. Now you’re posting about it online. Defending it. You’re not better than Islam. Where is Christ in any of your post. Christ condemns all killing. Period. So do us all a favor before your next splurge. Pick up your bible and turn off the tv. Maybe you’ll find something meek and useful in there. Remember the US is the sole reason for most wars in the last 80’s years being started. And for what? Islam is still here? Vietnam never lost, the taliban is still going strong. What has been gained. Bloodshed and nothing more. My grandfather fought in the war. He said the only time you should ever bring up a rifle. Is the moment someone is coming into your home to defend yourself and family. He was shot in the head and survived. I’m guessing you’ve never come close to bloodshed or your city being bombed. It’s foolish and entitled to think you know anything of The Iran War. None of us know . Not even the puppet trump himslef knows what’s or why he’s doing it.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

The difference is that America is not murdering its citizens for not submitting to a religious death cult that treats women like dirt. And it is not killing Christians for not submitting to the aforementioned death cult. Since no one else in the world has the spine to take on Iran, I approve of the military action by Israel and the USA. I have mixed emotions about Mr Trump. I think his position on Ukraine is absurd. But his position on Iran is thoroughly justified.

Make no mistake, this war could be the end of the Muslim threat. If Muslims see the most powerful Muslim nation humbled by the "infidels" of the West, Islam may well lose its hold. There are already signs in the Middle East that Islam is becoming less influential, even in Saudi Arabia. However, if Iran prevails, it will prove to Muslims that "Allah" is indeed "Akbar".

Will God permit that to happen? In the long run, no. The whole world will see the glory of God. But God may allow Islam to prevail to punish the wickedness of the world. It's happened before. I'll be 75 soon, so I may not see either scenario come to pass. But I sure don't want my kids under the thumb of Sharia Law.

You forgot 400 years of slavery lol. Yea do some research on America’s history.

 

[Gideon300]

If I could maybe ask Sinead O'Connor that question...but then she came from the Catholic church, where women (and children) were treated in similar fashion. So I don't know, she's not here anymore though.

I will read her memoir though and get back to you. It might be she married or was seduced by a muslim man, so she had to convert to stay with him.

That wouldn't be too hard to comprehend. The same thing happens in catholic churches, non-catholics marry catholics and they HAVE to convert.

In some baptist circles, the more extreme ones, beating/whacking/smacking babies and young children who can't defend themselves is acceptable 'discipline'

The Bible says that children need physical discipline. If you do not like it, argue with God. Then read the news to see the consequences of lack of discipline. I don't believe that babies need discipline. I've never heard of any Christian group that does.

I've never seen a Catholic woman beaten or shot because she was not covered head to toe. I've never seen priests walking the streets to abuse women who have not covered their hair. So your claim about Catholic oppression of women being the same as Islam is false.

Muslims can live in Catholic majority countries without a problem. In Pakistan, violence against the minority Christians, many of whom are Catholic, is routine. it is not a death sentence to leave Catholicism for any other religion. If a Muslim forsakes Islam, it is a sentence of death if he or she are discovered.

Australia now has no go areas where non Muslim women either have to cover up completely or the police will compel them to leave the area. Muslims have many more rights than us "infidels." For example, the age of consent in Iran for a girl is anything that the father permits. While not all that common, girls are being married at the age of 12. I know a former NSW policeman. He knew that Muslim girls were being sent overseas to be married to middle aged men. Also, polygamy is practiced uncontested by Muslim men. yes, in Australia. Illegal? Yes? Law enforced? No.

My limited knowledge of Sinead O'Connor was that she hated Catholicism so much that she did what she could to undermine it.

 

[Gideon300]

Okay yes obviously there is wrongs either way Islam. I’m not shying from the fact. But remember a lot is propaganda and news and certain sects. I agree with many points you’ve made.

However there’s is absolutely zero justification for bombing Iran. Period. They aren’t bombing Iran for Islam. Remember the lie was all about nuclear. The real reason they were bombed was for oil. It’s always oil. The play with the markets , to manipulate everything. Remember mister Gideon, the so called country you defend that bombs anyone and everyone will not care the slightest if your fuel at the pumps increases. Please let’s not be naive here. The agenda isn’t even Islam. It’s an idea the create hate. A justification you fell for. And it’s working. Now you’re posting about it online. Defending it. You’re not better than Islam. Where is Christ in any of your post. Christ condemns all killing. Period. So do us all a favor before your next splurge. Pick up your bible and turn off the tv. Maybe you’ll find something meek and useful in there. Remember the US is the sole reason for most wars in the last 80’s years being started. And for what? Islam is still here? Vietnam never lost, the taliban is still going strong. What has been gained. Bloodshed and nothing more. My grandfather fought in the war. He said the only time you should ever bring up a rifle. Is the moment someone is coming into your home to defend yourself and family. He was shot in the head and survived. I’m guessing you’ve never come close to bloodshed or your city being bombed. It’s foolish and entitled to think you know anything of The Iran War. None of us know . Not even the puppet trump himslef knows what’s or why he’s doing it.

You will not be too worried about oil prices if you see a mushroom cloud over

Okay yes obviously there is wrongs either way Islam. I’m not shying from the fact. But remember a lot is propaganda and news and certain sects. I agree with many points you’ve made.

However there’s is absolutely zero justification for bombing Iran. Period. They aren’t bombing Iran for Islam. Remember the lie was all about nuclear. The real reason they were bombed was for oil. It’s always oil. The play with the markets , to manipulate everything. Remember mister Gideon, the so called country you defend that bombs anyone and everyone will not care the slightest if your fuel at the pumps increases. Please let’s not be naive here. The agenda isn’t even Islam. It’s an idea the create hate. A justification you fell for. And it’s working. Now you’re posting about it online. Defending it. You’re not better than Islam. Where is Christ in any of your post. Christ condemns all killing. Period. So do us all a favor before your next splurge. Pick up your bible and turn off the tv. Maybe you’ll find something meek and useful in there. Remember the US is the sole reason for most wars in the last 80’s years being started. And for what? Islam is still here? Vietnam never lost, the taliban is still going strong. What has been gained. Bloodshed and nothing more. My grandfather fought in the war. He said the only time you should ever bring up a rifle. Is the moment someone is coming into your home to defend yourself and family. He was shot in the head and survived. I’m guessing you’ve never come close to bloodshed or your city being bombed. It’s foolish and entitled to think you know anything of The Iran War. None of us know . Not even the puppet trump himslef knows what’s or why he’s doing it.

Obviously you know little about Iran and its agenda. The Muslim regime has one objective and that is world domination. It has one obstacle to that aim and that is the existence of Israel. According to Shia Islam, their "Messiah" will not return while Israel exists.

Iran could have been the jewel of the Middle East. Most Persians are intelligent, hard working, inventive and pro Israel and the West. However, the Muslim regime also has much support. It suppresses all dissent with the utmost brutality. It executes people in public. It is a medieval mentality with 21st Century technology.

I agree that America's wars have been a disaster. Much of that is because Americans simply do not understand any culture apart from their own.

The Iran war is different. There is a genuine threat to world peace. Iran managed to save 400 kg of highly enriched uranium prior to last year's attack on their research and manufacturing facilities. They admit that they want to make nuclear weapons, even though they've signed the Non proliferation treaty. No one should be surprised by this. It's been obvious for years. Israel has managed to delay production, but the risk is still there.

Iran does not have to produce a traditional nuke. They can make a "dirty" bomb. This is explosives wrapped in highly radioactive uranium. If it was detonated say in Haifa, the area would be uninhabitable for centuries.

I know a lot more than you think. I'm not a soppy leftist; I'm ex military myself. War is terrible. The alternative, Muslim domination is worse. Those who live by the sword are destined to perish by it. There is a time for war. Interesting that God placed that statement before "a time for peace".

I was born a few years after WW2. If your mentality had prevailed, I would be either not born or speaking German. I'm glad that the people of the 40's were not like so many today.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

You will not be too worried about oil prices if you see a mushroom cloud over

Obviously you know little about Iran and its agenda. The Muslim regime has one objective and that is world domination. It has one obstacle to that aim and that is the existence of Israel. According to Shia Islam, their "Messiah" will not return while Israel exists.

Iran could have been the jewel of the Middle East. Most Persians are intelligent, hard working, inventive and pro Israel and the West. However, the Muslim regime also has much support. It suppresses all dissent with the utmost brutality. It executes people in public. It is a medieval mentality with 21st Century technology.

I agree that America's wars have been a disaster. Much of that is because Americans simply do not understand any culture apart from their own.

The Iran war is different. There is a genuine threat to world peace. Iran managed to save 400 kg of highly enriched uranium prior to last year's attack on their research and manufacturing facilities. They admit that they want to make nuclear weapons, even though they've signed the Non proliferation treaty. No one should be surprised by this. It's been obvious for years. Israel has managed to delay production, but the risk is still there.

Iran does not have to produce a traditional nuke. They can make a "dirty" bomb. This is explosives wrapped in highly radioactive uranium. If it was detonated say in Haifa, the area would be uninhabitable for centuries.

I know a lot more than you think. I'm not a soppy leftist; I'm ex military myself. War is terrible. The alternative, Muslim domination is worse. Those who live by the sword are destined to perish by it. There is a time for war. Interesting that God placed that statement before "a time for peace".

I was born a few years after WW2. If your mentality had prevailed, I would be either not born or speaking German. I'm glad that the people of the 40's were not like so many today.

I read like 2 sentience’s of that and didn’t waste my time. You know none more then what there feeding you. Are you in Iran? Like I said the first time shut the propaganda off you sound foolish. If anyone has a nuke to use it’s America. Oh wait they did that in 1945 already. Talk about hypocrisy.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

I could care less if you’re the dala lama. An ex military specialist haha. Yes . I’m sure you are. The typical ones looking for a glory medal fighting for something they have no idea about. You’ve been brainwashed and it’s sad. Reach for your bible more often. It’s clear you’re in much need of gods word. All you preach is hate.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Don’t compare WW2 . To trumps ego. If anything he is acting as a facist and more like hitler than the enemy. You read and watch to much news. My grandfather fought in the war. He was shot in the head. Served for England. He said the only time you fight is when there at your door step. War is awful. I’ll take advice from someone who fought in a real war. Not an ex military specialist as you call it.

 

[Gideon300]

take this however you will-

iran has been saying that they met with u s officials for negotiations the friday before the attacks began on sat, 3 weeks ago,

they said they left the meeting with the understanding that more talks would be held on monday,


so, they are claiming they were double crossed and sneak attacked.

so, there is that..

The Iranians are probably right. However, it is also obvious that they were stalling for time. Talk about pots and kettles......

 

[Gideon300]

Don’t compare WW2 . To trumps ego. If anything he is acting as a facist and more like hitler than the enemy. You read and watch to much news. My grandfather fought in the war. He was shot in the head. Served for England. He said the only time you fight is when there at your door step. War is awful. I’ll take advice from someone who fought in a real war. Not an ex military specialist as you call it.

Fine. So when a ballistic missile fired from thousands of km away is coming down on you, you'll be out there with your rifle. I'm sure Canadians feel so much safer now.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Fine. So when a ballistic missile fired from thousands of km away is coming down on you, you'll be out there with your rifle. I'm sure Canadians feel so much safer now.

Yes we will because we don’t stick our nose in places they don’t belong.

 

[Gideon300]

Yes we will because we don’t stick our nose in places they don’t belong.

Don't worry, Islam is coming for Canada as well. You can stick your head in the sand instead.

 

[Lanolin]

The Bible says that children need physical discipline. If you do not like it, argue with God. Then read the news to see the consequences of lack of discipline. I don't believe that babies need discipline. I've never heard of any Christian group that does.

I've never seen a Catholic woman beaten or shot because she was not covered head to toe. I've never seen priests walking the streets to abuse women who have not covered their hair. So your claim about Catholic oppression of women being the same as Islam is false.

Muslims can live in Catholic majority countries without a problem. In Pakistan, violence against the minority Christians, many of whom are Catholic, is routine. it is not a death sentence to leave Catholicism for any other religion. If a Muslim forsakes Islam, it is a sentence of death if he or she are discovered.

Australia now has no go areas where non Muslim women either have to cover up completely or the police will compel them to leave the area. Muslims have many more rights than us "infidels." For example, the age of consent in Iran for a girl is anything that the father permits. While not all that common, girls are being married at the age of 12. I know a former NSW policeman. He knew that Muslim girls were being sent overseas to be married to middle aged men. Also, polygamy is practiced uncontested by Muslim men. yes, in Australia. Illegal? Yes? Law enforced? No.

My limited knowledge of Sinead O'Connor was that she hated Catholicism so much that she did what she could to undermine it.

She was sexually abused in care, as a lot of children were, and they were also whipped and beaten.

I don't argue with Jesus. Jesus loved children and didn't forbid them from the Kingdom.

One christian group does smack children and babies it was the Debi Pearl/Gothard fundamentalist baptist churches.

Of course you haven't seen a catholic woman beaten and shot because she wasn't covered head to toe. But plenty have been raped and sexually abused behind closed doors. Just sayin'

Orthodox Jewish women are ostracised if they do not cover their hair with wigs or headscarfs. They are told to shave it off, and wear wigs in some sects.

Some 'christian' sects do rape and abuse girls as young as 12, and fundamentalist mormons have polygamy.

I'm not defending sharia law but I am pointing out that other religions also have these things. There are also moderate muslims who don't hurt anyone, they are not the extremest wahabis or whatever it is that take everything in the Koran so literally.

The regime in Iran is no different in dictatorship and tyranny as some other countries that were under other religions. Nazi Germany for example. Its just overtly Islamic, but then other nations also used the Bible to justify cruelty.

 

[Lanolin]

Nuns are covered head to toe with their habits. Wonder why that is?

 

[Lanolin]

Ku Klux Klan...church shootings.
Mosque shootings.
Synagogue shootings.

Happens everywhere in all different house of worship. Jonestown...

 

[Lanolin]

If you really want to help women in Islam, go help them get refugee status in your country.

 

[Lanolin]

Malala Yousafazi was lucky to be airlifted out of Pakistan to England. When she was shot at for going to school.