One Father, One God, One Humanity

[Leafblessing]

Let us teach the world that God is one. Whether Muslim or Christian, we all look to the same Creator — the God of Abraham.

In the beginning, there was Abraham, the father of faith. He had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. From Isaac came nations, and from Ishmael also came nations. Though history and beliefs developed differently, they came from one father.

If we go back to our roots, we see something important — we are brothers and sisters from the same origin. So why should we fight each other? Why should the world be divided?

God calls us to love one another. Love is the greatest commandment. When we choose love instead of division, we reflect God's heart.
The world needs peace. The world needs unity. The world needs love.

Let us remember that before everything else, we are human beings created by one God, and we should treat each other with love, respect, and kindness.

Let love lead the way.

 

[TruthDefender]

Let us teach the world that God is one. Whether Muslim or Christian, we all look to the same Creator — the God of Abraham.

In the beginning, there was Abraham, the father of faith. He had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. From Isaac came nations, and from Ishmael also came nations. Though history and beliefs developed differently, they came from one father.

If we go back to our roots, we see something important — we are brothers and sisters from the same origin. So why should we fight each other? Why should the world be divided?

God calls us to love one another. Love is the greatest commandment. When we choose love instead of division, we reflect God's heart.
The world needs peace. The world needs unity. The world needs love.

Let us remember that before everything else, we are human beings created by one God, and we should treat each other with love, respect, and kindness.

Let love lead the way.

This is a child’s fantasy! While He teaches us to love our enemies, they will still remain as an enemy!!

Jesus didnt come to unite all people and their religions. Sweet thought!

“Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

son = Ishmael

However, we are ALL one in Christ; if they are in Christ.

 

[Leafblessing]

This is a child’s fantasy! While He teaches us to love our enemies, they will still remain as an enemy!!

Jesus didnt come to unite all people and their religions. Sweet thought!

“Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

son = Ishmael

However, we are ALL one in Christ; if they are in Christ.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand that we may see this differently. My intention was not to unite religions, but to encourage love, peace, and respectful coexistence among people, just as Scripture teaches us.

Jesus Himself said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). He also taught us, "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you" (Matthew 5:44)
Even if others remain enemies, we are still called to walk in love and peace.

The Scripture also says, "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18). This shows that while we may not share the same beliefs, we are still called to pursue peace with everyone.

Regarding Abraham, the Bible also says, "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10). This reminds us of our shared humanity and the importance of treating one another with respect.

I agree that we are one in Christ if we are in Christ (Galatians 3:28). At the same time, we are still called to reflect Christ’s love to all people, because "God is love" (1 John 4:8), and "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35).

So my message remains simple — we may differ in belief, but we can still choose love, peace, and kindness, reflecting the heart of Christ.

 

[TruthDefender]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand that we may see this differently. My intention was not to unite religions, but to encourage love, peace, and respectful coexistence among people, just as Scripture teaches us.

Jesus Himself said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). He also taught us, "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you" (Matthew 5:44)
Even if others remain enemies, we are still called to walk in love and peace.

The Scripture also says, "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18). This shows that while we may not share the same beliefs, we are still called to pursue peace with everyone.

Regarding Abraham, the Bible also says, "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10). This reminds us of our shared humanity and the importance of treating one another with respect.

I agree that we are one in Christ if we are in Christ (Galatians 3:28). At the same time, we are still called to reflect Christ’s love to all people, because "God is love" (1 John 4:8), and "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35).

So my message remains simple — we may differ in belief, but we can still choose love, peace, and kindness, reflecting the heart of Christ.

When you pull passages out of context, regarding the One Father, you can easily wrest Scripture.

This chapter, Malachi 2, is about the corrupt Jewish priests and their infidelity to God. It’s not a reference to the rest of the world.
-The rest of the world doesn’t have a covenant with God.

“Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers? Judah has dealt treacherously, And an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem, For Judah has profaned The Lord’s holy institution which He loves: He has married the daughter of a foreign god.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Leafblessing]

When you pull passages out of context, regarding the One Father, you can easily wrest Scripture.

This chapter, Malachi 2, is about the corrupt Jewish priests and their infidelity to God. It’s not a reference to the rest of the world.
-The rest of the world doesn’t have a covenant with God.

“Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why do we deal treacherously with one another by profaning the covenant of the fathers? Judah has dealt treacherously, And an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem, For Judah has profaned The Lord’s holy institution which He loves: He has married the daughter of a foreign god.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Thank you for your explanation. I understand your point about the context of Malachi 2, and I agree that context is important when reading Scripture. My intention was not to wrest Scripture, but to emphasize the broader biblical call to love and peace.

Even if Malachi 2 addresses Israel specifically, the Bible still teaches us to treat all people with love and respect. For example, Jesus said, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Mark 12:31), and in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25–37), He showed that our "neighbor" includes those who are different from us.
Also, Scripture teaches that God is the Creator of all people:
"The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works." (Psalm 145:9)
And Paul, speaking to people outside the covenant, said:
"God, who made the world and everything in it… gives to all life, breath, and all things." (Acts 17:24–26)

So while not all are in covenant, God is still the Creator of all, and we are still called to reflect His love
toward everyone. As Romans 12:18 says, "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men."
I agree with you that we are one in Christ if we are in Christ. At the same time, we are still called to love others and be peacemakers, as Jesus taught.

 

[TruthDefender]

Thank you for your explanation. I understand your point about the context of Malachi 2, and I agree that context is important when reading Scripture. My intention was not to wrest Scripture, but to emphasize the broader biblical call to love and peace.

Even if Malachi 2 addresses Israel specifically, the Bible still teaches us to treat all people with love and respect. For example, Jesus said, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Mark 12:31), and in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25–37), He showed that our "neighbor" includes those who are different from us.
Also, Scripture teaches that God is the Creator of all people:
"The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works." (Psalm 145:9)
And Paul, speaking to people outside the covenant, said:
"God, who made the world and everything in it… gives to all life, breath, and all things." (Acts 17:24–26)

So while not all are in covenant, God is still the Creator of all, and we are still called to reflect His love
toward everyone. As Romans 12:18 says, "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men."
I agree with you that we are one in Christ if we are in Christ. At the same time, we are still called to love others and be peacemakers, as Jesus taught.

Yes, I would agree!

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

I love this a lot actually. There seems to be a lot of talk about this Iran war. Like you said Shari, we are brothers and sisters under god. The more hate we pour onto this earth the more we receive. A lot of times we hate what we don’t even understand. That usually is the premise to the start of hate. Fear. “Do not worry or be fearful” God takes care of these things in time. Love grows strong roots. If only man could love, if only man could find it in his heart to put his pride at rest and love humbly. I think we would have a lot less issues in this world.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand that we may see this differently. My intention was not to unite religions, but to encourage love, peace, and respectful coexistence among people, just as Scripture teaches us.

Jesus Himself said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). He also taught us, "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you" (Matthew 5:44)
Even if others remain enemies, we are still called to walk in love and peace.

Hello Leafblessing, while I understand what you're saying (and in some ways nearly every fiber of my being wants to agree with what you've said in this thread), Matthew 5:9 says, "Blessed are the peacemakers", not "Blessed are the people-pleasers", yes

Here's the thing, Christians, the lot of us, are called to be His "peacemakers", the Lord Jesus being "THE" Peacemaker Himself (and look what happened to Him/what we did to Him, because He was).

Also, the Bible has much to say about "love", for instance, that we, as Christians, no matter what we know, have to say and/or are capable of doing, are nothing (useless) without it (1 Corinthians 13:1-3), but we are also told that "love" itself is useless/meaningless whenever we attempt to express it to others apart from the truth.

1 Corinthians 13​

6 Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth.​

So, we are not to speak the truth apart from love, nor are we to love others apart from the truth, rather, we are commanded to "speak the truth, in love", yes (e.g. Ephesians 4:15) because all of these work together (truth, love, righteousness and peace, that is), not apart from one another, in God's economy.

Psalm 85​

10 Lovingkindness and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed each other.​

So, peace at any price is not the kind of peace that God wants us to create or mediate on His behalf as His "peacemakers", and our "loving" others, as Christians, means much more (and something very different) than helping people to "feel good" about themselves (~especially~ those who are not, "in Christ", of course), yes?

There's more that I'd like to say about this, but I'll wait to hear more from you first

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

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[Deuteronomy]

I will add this (for anyone who may be interested), Happy Are the Peacemakers, by theologian and pastor John MacArthur (1939-2025), which is his sermon on Matthew 5:9. I listened to MANY of his sermons over the years, and I believe that this one is perhaps his very best one (it is certainly my favorite one ).

Also, you can listen to it, read it, or do both together (as the written words can be set up to match the spoken words as the sermon progresses) of this interesting and informative sermon on what peace really is (and is not), as well, of course, what it means to be His peacemakers

~Deuteronomy

 

[Leafblessing]

I love this a lot actually. There seems to be a lot of talk about this Iran war. Like you said Shari, we are brothers and sisters under god. The more hate we pour onto this earth the more we receive. A lot of times we hate what we don’t even understand. That usually is the premise to the start of hate. Fear. “Do not worry or be fearful” God takes care of these things in time. Love grows strong roots. If only man could love, if only man could find it in his heart to put his pride at rest and love humbly. I think we would have a lot less issues in this world.

Thank you for your beautiful thoughts. I truly agree with you. Fear and misunderstanding often lead to division, but love brings healing and peace.

The Bible reminds us, “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear.” (1 John 4:18)

When we choose love, humility, and understanding, we reflect God's heart. The world may be full of conflict, but as believers, we are called to be peacemakers and lights in the darkness.

Like you said, if more people chose love over pride, we would see less hatred and more unity. May God help us to be examples of that love wherever we are.

 

[Leafblessing]

Hello, thank you for your thoughtful and balanced response. I truly appreciate the wisdom you shared. I completely agree that as Christians we are called not just to peace, but to peace grounded in truth.

You're right — Scripture calls us to “speak the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15). Love without truth can mislead, and truth without love can wound. But when both come together, they reflect the heart of Christ.

My intention was not to promote peace at any cost or to blur the truth of the Gospel, but rather to encourage love, humility, and understanding among people. Jesus Himself was full of both grace and truth (John 1:14), and that is the example I desire to follow.

I also believe that when we show love and kindness, we create space for truth to be heard. As Romans 12:18 says, “If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.”

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts in such a respectful and thoughtful way. I’m grateful for the conversation and the opportunity to grow together in understanding.

God bless you.

 

[Leafblessing]

Hello Leafblessing, while I understand what you're saying (and in some ways nearly every fiber of my being wants to agree with what you've said in this thread), Matthew 5:9 says, "Blessed are the peacemakers", not "Blessed are the people-pleasers", yes

Here's the thing, Christians, the lot of us, are called to be His "peacemakers", the Lord Jesus being "THE" Peacemaker Himself (and look what happened to Him/what we did to Him, because He was).

Also, the Bible has much to say about "love", for instance, that we, as Christians, no matter what we know, have to say and/or are capable of doing, are nothing (useless) without it (1 Corinthians 13:1-3), but we are also told that "love" itself is useless/meaningless whenever we attempt to express it to others apart from the truth.

1 Corinthians 13​

6 Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth.​

So, we are not to speak the truth apart from love, nor are we to love others apart from the truth, rather, we are commanded to "speak the truth, in love", yes (e.g. Ephesians 4:15) because all of these work together (truth, love, righteousness and peace, that is), not apart from one another, in God's economy.

Psalm 85​

10 Lovingkindness and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed each other.​

So, peace at any price is not the kind of peace that God wants us to create or mediate on His behalf as His "peacemakers", and our "loving" others, as Christians, means much more (and something very different) than helping people to "feel good" about themselves (~especially~ those who are not, "in Christ", of course), yes?

There's more that I'd like to say about this, but I'll wait to hear more from you first

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

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Hello, thank you for your thoughtful and balanced response. I truly appreciate the wisdom you shared. I completely agree that as Christians we are called not just to peace, but to peace grounded in truth.

You're right — Scripture calls us to “speak the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15). Love without truth can mislead, and truth without love can wound. But when both come together, they reflect the heart of Christ.

My intention was not to promote peace at any cost or to blur the truth of the Gospel, but rather to encourage love, humility, and understanding among people. Jesus Himself was full of both grace and truth (John 1:14), and that is the example I desire to follow.

I also believe that when we show love and kindness, we create space for truth to be heard. As Romans 12:18 says, “If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.”

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts in such a respectful and thoughtful way. I’m grateful for the conversation and the opportunity to grow together in understanding.

God bless you.

 

[Leafblessing]

I will add this (for anyone who may be interested), Happy Are the Peacemakers, by theologian and pastor John MacArthur (1939-2025), which is his sermon on Matthew 5:9. I listened to MANY of his sermons over the years, and I believe that this one is perhaps his very best one (it is certainly my favorite one ).

Also, you can listen to it, read it, or do both together (as the written words can be set up to match the spoken words as the sermon progresses) of this interesting and informative sermon on what peace really is (and is not), as well, of course, what it means to be His peacemakers

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Thank you so much for sharing this. I truly appreciate you taking the time to recommend the sermon and also for the thoughtful explanation you’ve given. I value learning and hearing different perspectives, especially when they help me grow deeper in understanding God's Word.

I agree that true peace must be grounded in truth, and I also believe that love, truth, and peace all work together as you shared. Jesus Himself showed us how to walk in both love and truth, and that is what I desire — to reflect His heart.

I will take time to listen to the sermon you shared. Thank you again for the recommendation and for engaging in this conversation in such a respectful and encouraging way.

God bless you.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Hello Leafblessing, while I understand what you're saying (and in some ways nearly every fiber of my being wants to agree with what you've said in this thread), Matthew 5:9 says, "Blessed are the peacemakers", not "Blessed are the people-pleasers", yes

Here's the thing, Christians, the lot of us, are called to be His "peacemakers", the Lord Jesus being "THE" Peacemaker Himself (and look what happened to Him/what we did to Him, because He was).

Also, the Bible has much to say about "love", for instance, that we, as Christians, no matter what we know, have to say and/or are capable of doing, are nothing (useless) without it (1 Corinthians 13:1-3), but we are also told that "love" itself is useless/meaningless whenever we attempt to express it to others apart from the truth.

1 Corinthians 13​

6 Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth.​

So, we are not to speak the truth apart from love, nor are we to love others apart from the truth, rather, we are commanded to "speak the truth, in love", yes (e.g. Ephesians 4:15) because all of these work together (truth, love, righteousness and peace, that is), not apart from one another, in God's economy.

Psalm 85​

10 Lovingkindness and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed each other.​

So, peace at any price is not the kind of peace that God wants us to create or mediate on His behalf as His "peacemakers", and our "loving" others, as Christians, means much more (and something very different) than helping people to "feel good" about themselves (~especially~ those who are not, "in Christ", of course), yes?

There's more that I'd like to say about this, but I'll wait to hear more from you first

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy

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Yes, I mean of course we don’t go in blindly saying or doing anything to calm a storm. There has to be thought and it has to be righteous . If I’m reading correctly your point. I personally don’t think it’s also a Christian’s singular mission every day to solve every problem. It’s impossible and often times just leading by example was more of gods intentions anyway. We do see Jesus helping and curing and preaching. I think we also forget the times where Jesus spent much time alone. Most of his time actually. A lot was spent praying. In many ways Jesus did keep to himself and lead more by example to be followed. Of course he did have to put the word out there. Although he was not out on the corner everyday shaming sinners and doing it in a manner that he was more righteous than the next.

I guess the entire point is. Yes we must act righteously and love righteously, oftentimes many blur those lines with judgment and condemnation.

Unfortunately like you did say we did treat Jesus ungodly, or mankind did at that time. This was part of gods plan. It did have to be done to make a serious point. He “needed” to be treated wrongly and vile. Otherwise his plan couldn’t be seen through. No one would follow a perfect man who was treated perfectly. We must remember that the things on this earth are only for the afterlife. We are here and must be present, but when Jesus died. It was actually a reward. He gained eternal life. We cannot prevent every death or every crime. Sometimes these things must happen for a bigger part of gods plan to unfold. And regardless of our peacemaking behaviours it’s will happen. When god says it will happen there isn’t nothing we can do about it.

Maybe I’ve misunderstood your point and if I have I’m sorry. I do find sometimes I read one part, then another and another. And sometimes they become conflicting of one another. Or in my mind and heart I conflict them. I do wonder how many times our own pride and worldly desires can change our interpretation of the bible. That is a topic worth discussing. I mean there’s only been how many hundreds of versions rewritten.

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Thank you for your beautiful thoughts. I truly agree with you. Fear and misunderstanding often lead to division, but love brings healing and peace.

The Bible reminds us, “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear.” (1 John 4:18)

When we choose love, humility, and understanding, we reflect God's heart. The world may be full of conflict, but as believers, we are called to be peacemakers and lights in the darkness.

Like you said, if more people chose love over pride, we would see less hatred and more unity. May God help us to be examples of that love wherever we are.

The hardest part of this whole concept is doing it. It’s funny we are talking about this. For the last bit I have had someone in my life, that’s is in many ways very ungodly, but yet I do care and love them. They are and extremely hard person to love some days. I pray and keep hoping god to find his way into there heart. I know preaching a sermon to this person won’t help. I just see the sadness seap through and emptiness in there hastily decision making to feel something. I’ve felt the need to give up sometimes daily. But in my heart I feel god put me in there path to pray for them and love them regardless.

The doing and acting of loving is sometimes so hard. I wish for a more humble and soft heart.

Thanks Shari for your great insight into all these posts everyone has made.

 

[Gideon300]

Let us teach the world that God is one. Whether Muslim or Christian, we all look to the same Creator — the God of Abraham.

In the beginning, there was Abraham, the father of faith. He had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. From Isaac came nations, and from Ishmael also came nations. Though history and beliefs developed differently, they came from one father.

If we go back to our roots, we see something important — we are brothers and sisters from the same origin. So why should we fight each other? Why should the world be divided?

God calls us to love one another. Love is the greatest commandment. When we choose love instead of division, we reflect God's heart.
The world needs peace. The world needs unity. The world needs love.

Let us remember that before everything else, we are human beings created by one God, and we should treat each other with love, respect, and kindness.

Let love lead the way.

It's all good in theory. It also misses the fact that God said that the descendants of Ishmael would be the enemy of the descendants of Isaac. The twins, Jacob and Esau, also became enemies of each other. Esau married into the tribe of Ishmael and also became Israel's enemy - as prophesied by God.

God calls us to one thing, but human nature is ungodly. The world does not need to be told what they should do. No one will argue that love is the best way. Try telling that to the zealot about to blow up innocent people in the name of Islam. He would say that he is obeying Allah. And he would be right. "Allah" is just another name for Satan.

There will be peace and unity only after the final victory of Christ. While there are unbelievers on the earth, there will be wars. Jesus said as much. One day, Lord Jesus will return to rule and reign in person. There will be 1,000 years of peace. Until then, wars and conflict will continue.

The Quran teaches that non-Muslims are effectively sub human, little better than animals to be enslaved. Women, even if they are Muslim, are inherently inferior to men. Love and unity require all parties to be involved. Islam will never be a party to anything that is not of Islam.

 

[TruthDefender]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand that we may see this differently. My intention was not to unite religions, but to encourage love, peace, and respectful coexistence among people, just as Scripture teaches us.

Jesus Himself said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). He also taught us, "Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you" (Matthew 5:44)
Even if others remain enemies, we are still called to walk in love and peace.

The Scripture also says, "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men" (Romans 12:18). This shows that while we may not share the same beliefs, we are still called to pursue peace with everyone.

Regarding Abraham, the Bible also says, "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Malachi 2:10). This reminds us of our shared humanity and the importance of treating one another with respect.

I agree that we are one in Christ if we are in Christ (Galatians 3:28). At the same time, we are still called to reflect Christ’s love to all people, because "God is love" (1 John 4:8), and "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35).

So my message remains simple — we may differ in belief, but we can still choose love, peace, and kindness, reflecting the heart of Christ.

My belief is not mine it is from God’s Scripture.

Let us teach the world that God is one. Whether Muslim or Christian, we all look to the same Creator — the God of Abraham.

In the beginning, there was Abraham, the father of faith. He had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. From Isaac came nations, and from Ishmael also came nations. Though history and beliefs developed differently, they came from one father.

If we go back to our roots, we see something important — we are brothers and sisters from the same origin. So why should we fight each other? Why should the world be divided?

God calls us to love one another. Love is the greatest commandment. When we choose love instead of division, we reflect God's heart.
The world needs peace. The world needs unity. The world needs love.

Let us remember that before everything else, we are human beings created by one God, and we should treat each other with love, respect, and kindness.

Let love lead the

Yes, there is only One God the Father, One God the Son, and One Scriptural doctrine in Christ that can save us. God doesn’t acknowledge anything else, nor should we!
Never say Islam has the same God, this is false!! There is Nothing to be shared with other religions.

God speaks:

-Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.””
(Ref: son of free woman= Isaac; son of bondwoman= Ishmael).
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-“For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many Lords), yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭8‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

-Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
| JOHN 14:6 NKJV

-Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
ACTS 4:12 NKJV

 

[Deuteronomy]

Maybe I’ve misunderstood your point and if I have I’m sorry. I do find sometimes I read one part, then another and another. And sometimes they become conflicting of one another. Or in my mind and heart I conflict them. I do wonder how many times our own pride and worldly desires can change our interpretation of the bible. That is a topic worth discussing. I mean there’s only been how many hundreds of versions rewritten.

Hello SearchingforSerenity, yes, you've misunderstood the points that I was making to Leafblessing (or at least trying to make her anyway ), but no apology is necessary. This is, oft times, a VERY difficult medium to properly communicate on (for a number of different reasons), so I'll go over what you said and hopefully explain things a bit more clearly (and I'll have some questions for you too).

Of course, we may still disagree about some things, and that's ok too (after all, debate boards wouldn't be necessary if we all agreed about everything ). So, here we go.

Yes, I mean of course we don’t go in blindly saying or doing anything to calm a storm. There has to be thought and it has to be righteous . If I’m reading correctly your point. I personally don’t think it’s also a Christian’s singular mission every day to solve every problem.

I reread my post and I don't see anything there about "calming storms" or "solving every problem" for others, so please help me understand why you think that I said that Thanks!

........leading by example was more of gods intentions anyway.

I can guess, but for clarity's sake, please tell me what you mean by this (how God does this for us), specifically. Thanks again Also, could you give us an example or two from the Bible about this (perhaps where the Lord does this Himself and/or where He tells the disciples to share the Gospel and lead people to Him w/o using words to do so).

I think we also forget the times where Jesus spent much time alone. Most of his time actually. A lot was spent praying. In many ways Jesus did keep to himself and lead more by example to be followed. Of course he did have to put the word out there. Although he was not out on the corner everyday 'shaming' sinners and doing it 'in a manner that he was more righteous' than the next.

Yes, the fact that He withdrew from others to spend regular time in prayer with His Father is, indeed, a good example of Him leading us by example (an example of one of the important ways that Christians should choose to walk before Him in this life, that is). However, this is not an example of Him interacting with unbelievers to share the Gospel with them, at least not directly anyway (and that, our interaction with others, is what this thread is all about, yes).

As far as the Lord Jesus publicly (or privately) "shaming" sinners who He knew needed to hear the truth of the Gospel from Him, and/or choosing to act in a self-righteous manner towards them, or anyone else, is never true (He did confront/was harsh with the Scribes and the Pharisees, because He needed to be, for their sakes and for others' too, but He never did so in a prideful, self-righteous manner, and neither should we, of course).

My principal concern with your post is with what you said here (with the words from your reply that I put in bold above, specifically) and how you drew the conclusion that you did after reading what I wrote (in Post #8) I'd truly appreciate you doing so because I'd like to consider how I might say things a bit differently (hopefully better/more clearly, that is) going forward, so that what I actually mean when I write a post is easier for everyone to understand, w/o additional explanation ).

I know that there are a few more things to clarify and discuss in your reply to me, but I'll wait to hear back from you about the above first

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

 

[SearchingforSerenity]

Hello SearchingforSerenity, yes, you've misunderstood the points that I was making to Leafblessing (or at least trying to make her anyway ), but no apology is necessary. This is, oft times, a VERY difficult medium to properly communicate on (for a number of different reasons), so I'll go over what you said and hopefully explain things a bit more clearly (and I'll have some questions for you too).

Of course, we may still disagree about some things, and that's ok too (after all, debate boards wouldn't be necessary if we all agreed about everything ). So, here we go.


I reread my post and I don't see anything there about "calming storms" or "solving every problem" for others, so please help me understand why you think that I said that Thanks!


I can guess, but for clarity's sake, please tell me what you mean by this (how God does this for us), specifically. Thanks again Also, could you give us an example or two from the Bible about this (perhaps where the Lord does this Himself and/or where He tells the disciples to share the Gospel and lead people to Him w/o using words to do so).


Yes, the fact that He withdrew from others to spend regular time in prayer with His Father is, indeed, a good example of Him leading us by example (an example of one of the important ways that Christians should choose to walk before Him in this life, that is). However, this is not an example of Him interacting with unbelievers to share the Gospel with them, at least not directly anyway (and that, our interaction with others, is what this thread is all about, yes).

As far as the Lord Jesus publicly (or privately) "shaming" sinners who He knew needed to hear the truth of the Gospel from Him, and/or choosing to act in a self-righteous manner towards them, or anyone else, is never true (He did confront/was harsh with the Scribes and the Pharisees, because He needed to be, for their sakes and for others' too, but He never did so in a prideful, self-righteous manner, and neither should we, of course).

My principal concern with your post is with what you said here (with the words from your reply that I put in bold above, specifically) and how you drew the conclusion that you did after reading what I wrote (in Post #8) I'd truly appreciate you doing so because I'd like to consider how I might say things a bit differently (hopefully better/more clearly, that is) going forward, so that what I actually mean when I write a post is easier for everyone to understand, w/o additional explanation ).

I know that there are a few more things to clarify and discuss in your reply to me, but I'll wait to hear back from you about the above first

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy (David)

I think I may have misread some parts that’s why I did say am I misunderstanding. And it’s partly the way I read things. Or even read them with my opinion on things lol.

I don’t really like to get into scripture wars on here, I find it never ending. I agree with your thoughts actually. What I meant by leading by example was… in your life as a god fearing person , doing the right things and choosing them day after day. Preaching of course was part of what Jesus said of course. I don’t think it was to be entirely taken as ever single human who was Christian to sit day and night preaching. Usually that works against the church. I mean we see people hating on the street corner preachers relentlessly. Now I’m not saying there’s not a time for preaching. The leading by example part. Would be this. A coworker shuns you or talks behind your back. Instead of retaliating you befriend them, you show more kindness. You love them more because they obviously have deeper wounds to heal. Putting faith into work is the biggest part of being a Christian not the preaching part. I think this was more my point with that. You can’t have faith without works. How does one preach and say things, but can’t live them? So the first step in being a peacemaker is action. When things don’t go our way, when things are against us, when evil keeps prevailing, we act with love and kindness and compassion. To me this is what I’ve taken from scripture to be the most important part. Not the talking and preaching. Now again I’m not saying it’s not important. I’m just saying it’s not the first step. Of course I read things differently then others. So I don’t like to get into verse wars with others. Often times the preaching does become self righteous and it actually plays against welcoming people who have no faith. I mean that’s why I left the church years ago. It wasn’t that I didn’t believe. It was that everyone who I went with, were gossipers and self righteous. We all know the 10 commandants. We often forget the 6 things god hates.

I will leave this verse as to why I left

Proverbs 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

For us to all become peacemakers. One must start with him/herself first. That’s where the real peacemaking starts. This is my belief. We must first find peace in ourselves , then we can make peace with others. And sometimes just a gentle smile is all that is needed. Not a bible study, or a podium on a stand, not a door to door Jesus salesman. Sometimes peace can just start with a simple smile, a warm hug, a compassionate heart.

Thanks David, for letting me misread a being calm. I’ve read it better now and seeing what you’re saying makes much more sense. I was never an English scholar nor will i probably ever be.

God bless you though

 

[Godsgirl1983]

Whether Muslim or Christian, we all look to the same Creator — the God of Abraham.

Now, normally I wouldn't post a big scripture wall. However, sometimes I make exceptions.

We can know all about the Creator, Father God, and look to Him all we want.
But, it is only through Jesus Christ, the Messiah, who poured out His blood on the cross, was buried for three days, rose again and ascended back to God the Father that gives us access unto Him.

John 14:6
Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no on else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.

John 1:12
But, to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God.

John 3:14-18
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is able to save completely those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.

Romans 10:8-10
But, what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

1 John 5:5-12
Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ - not by water alone, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are only three that testify: the Spirit, the water, and the blood - and these three are in agreement.
Even if we accept human testimony, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony that God has given about His Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him; whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given about His Son.
And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.