Location of the soul

[PAC-fit]

The question asked was, "Where is the soul located?" The question was not "What is the soul?" I do not think the soul is physical. But it is located in the physical body. Is your soul in your body? Or is it hovering somewhere outside your body?

Got that, I see what your saying. Back 40 or 50 yrs ago, the soul was regularly introduced as that inner component of man above the physical such as, 'mind, will and emotions'. But also and in support, let's not forget what Jesus said of the status the body assumes or carries; "the flesh profits nothing". In my thinking, the soul is thought to be on the same plain as the Spirit when He visits us; "you do not know where [the Spirit] is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit" as un-attached as the intentions of our heart. Therein, these do not conflict with Jesus statement, how easily the soul is removed (Mk 8:36).

 

[PaulThomson]

Got that, I see what your saying. Back 40 or 50 yrs ago, the soul was regularly introduced as that inner component of man above the physical such as, 'mind, will and emotions'. But also and in support, let's not forget what Jesus said of the status the body assumes or carries; "the flesh profits nothing". In my thinking, the soul is thought to be on the same plain as the Spirit when He visits us; "you do not know where [the Spirit] is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit" as un-attached as the intentions of our heart. Therein, these do not conflict with Jesus statement, how easily the soul is removed (Mk 8:36).

So, WHERE is the soul?

 

[PaulThomson]

So, WHERE is your soul located?

 

[PAC-fit]

So, WHERE is the soul?

Before, or after you lose it?

 

[JohnDB]

The location of the soul withi the body is by many in the mind but I think of the one commandment to love the Lord with all you heart all you mind body and soul and it got me thinking if it seperates the mind and soul in the commandment surely it must mean that they are separate in us. But does scripture say where it is located or does anyone have an idea where it could be?

You ARE a soul.
You have a body, a spirit, and a mind.

"Soul" refers to the whole.
It's not a part or piece.

 

[PAC-fit]

So, WHERE is the soul?

Sorry but, Before, or after you lose it?

", , lose his own soul" - Jesus (Mark 8:36)

 

[PaulThomson]

I've always believed what the Bible states..

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Dust of the ground, physical flesh,
Plus
The breath of life, life from God.
= a living soul.

Remove either of these parts and you become a dead soul.

Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Souls do die.

Psa 56:13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death:....

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ....

When the life of God leaves we become dead souls..

Hi, TMS.

There may be something wrong with your math.

A dead body of flesh plus the breath of life equals a living soul

A living soul minus the breath of life equals a dead body
A living soul minus the body equals the breath of life, which returns to God.

A living body (i. e. body + breath of life) minus the living soul (body + breath of life) equals nothing/zero.

Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every (pasa) soul (psuchE, nominative noun) of life (zOEs, genitive noun) which was in the sea (ta en tEi thalassEi). died (apethanen, aorist indicative active).

every soul of life = every living soul.
As above -
a living soul equals a body plus the breath of life.
When a living soul dies, the breath of life departs from the living soul, and the living soul minus the breath of life equals a dead body and the departed breath of life which returns to God.

Are "dead souls" mentioned somewhere in the Bible where it cannot mean a body without the breath of life.?

 

[PaulThomson]

Sorry but, Before, or after you lose it?

", , lose his own soul" - Jesus (Mark 8:36)

Right now, where is your soul located? That was rhe OP question, I beileve.

 

[sawdust]

The location of the soul withi the body is by many in the mind but I think of the one commandment to love the Lord with all you heart all you mind body and soul and it got me thinking if it seperates the mind and soul in the commandment surely it must mean that they are separate in us. But does scripture say where it is located or does anyone have an idea where it could be?

The soul is not "located" anywhere. We are souls, it is the essence of who we are. To love the Lord with your soul is effectively saying love the Lord with your whole being.

There are many places used in scripture where it is defined as your being, that is, who you are. Some examples:

Mark 8:36
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?
Luke 1:46
And Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord,
Acts 2:27
For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

 

[PAC-fit]

Right now, where is your soul located? That was rhe OP question, I beileve.

Finally, you agree with me that it isn't connected to the body just as Jesus said. Else we would need a doctor. But we have a physician for both the body and soul, to heal up the brokenhearted (Psalm 147:3). Fair enough, I'll correct to meet you half-way, ,

I'm inclined to hold it within the Christian's temper AND joy.

Since God made us so unique, right next to the Christian's heart which is impacted by every emotion. So, back at the OP question, where are the Christian's emotions, and the OP will have been answered?! Thank you!

 

[PaulThomson]

Finally, you agree with me that it isn't connected to the body just as Jesus said. Else we would need a doctor. But we have a physician for both the body and soul, to heal up the brokenhearted (Psalm 147:3). Fair enough, I'll correct to meet you half-way, ,

Since God made us so unique, right next to the Christian's heart which is impacted by every emotion. So, back at the OP question, where are the Christian's emotions, and the OP will have been answered?! Thank you!

I would say that emotions are hormonal and are experienced body-wide.

 

[JohnDB]

A chemistry professor posted a bonus question to an exam...
Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct, leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!"

THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A".

 

[PAC-fit]

Lest we forget what Jesus said, there is no such thing as a, "poor soul" as many attest of a man who has lost his soul like the prodigal son who in an instant, found his soul by God while dining with the pigs as Jesus states:

“But when he came to himself, , " (Luke 15:17)

Like soo many other instances that impacts us, conviction of the location of the Holy Spirit that helps recapture the soul is not known "where it is coming from and where it is going" . But if you were looking him in the eye the minute he came to himself, you surely could see his whole expression change right before you.

Now you see it, now you don't, now you see it, now you don't.

 

[homwardbound]

The location of the soul withi the body is by many in the mind but I think of the one commandment to love the Lord with all you heart all you mind body and soul and it got me thinking if it seperates the mind and soul in the commandment surely it must mean that they are separate in us. But does scripture say where it is located or does anyone have an idea where it could be?

A person is only truthfully led by their heart
Out of man comes, whatever one's heart is

God renews the mind after giving the new heart asked for Ezekiel 36:26. This gift is only given to those that are sincere to know and trust God only as the Son did for all first in his walk here on earth first. 2 Cor 5:17-21
That is done John 19:30. there is no new life in the death that first took away sin John 1:29.

Now he is risen in Father's Spirit and Truth for everyone to choose to believe this or not consciously to everyone to choose

God is sharper than any two-edged sword. Man says out of one side and then the other side of his mouth, has caused causes corruption through religions.
God does not attend buildings, people evil do that and try to look good in front od others, getting others under them to lead them Hebrews 8:1-4
Like when Jesus said to the pharisees. you seek anyone to get under your thumb. to lead them and make then twice the sons of hell as yourselves. What??????????????????
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.


Go to our own prayer closets and close the door and talk to God, even if upset, God can take it. God will take it and you then get vented and will be at peace again, getting. taught by God over self and everyone else 1 John 2:27
Otherwise you are in a war between evil and Good. Then the self you is in the way again, with other speaking and confusing you more so

Love God for what is done by Son for you stand there, do not be moved from the done work of Son for you

Col 1:21-23 is it done? are you to renew and walk new no matter what troubles happen? You choose, I have thank you Blain

 

[biblestudent78]

You are a soul. You have a body. The belief in a soul separate from the body originated from ancient animism, where natural objects were thought to have spirits, but it was specifically developed by ancient Egyptian and Greek thinkers. Greek philosophers like Plato, and ancient Egyptian beliefs in multiple soul parts, established the view that the soul is an essential, eternal essence. Plato argued that the soul (psyche) is a person's essence, separate from the body and capable of existing after death. He viewed the soul as belonging to a higher, rational world, while the body was temporary. The concept of an immortal soul is not found in the Hebrew Bible.

 

[rewriter]

You are a soul. You have a body. The belief in a soul separate from the body originated from ancient animism, where natural objects were thought to have spirits, but it was specifically developed by ancient Egyptian and Greek thinkers. Greek philosophers like Plato, and ancient Egyptian beliefs in multiple soul parts, established the view that the soul is an essential, eternal essence. Plato argued that the soul (psyche) is a person's essence, separate from the body and capable of existing after death. He viewed the soul as belonging to a higher, rational world, while the body was temporary. The concept of an immortal soul is not found in the Hebrew Bible.

I know of a few Old Testament professors who might argue with you. They would likely agree about the Greek and Egyptian ideas of the soul, one even went so far as to observe that the Greek concept was much like the old fashion chocolate covered cherries, his analogy was that for the Greeks, the physical body was the chocolate, while the soul was the cherry, they could be separated. He argued that for the ancient Hebrews they were connected, the soul being the power source for the body and leaving the body only when it was too weak to keep the physical body going.

 

[biblestudent78]

I know of a few Old Testament professors who might argue with you. They would likely agree about the Greek and Egyptian ideas of the soul, one even went so far as to observe that the Greek concept was much like the old fashion chocolate covered cherries, his analogy was that for the Greeks, the physical body was the chocolate, while the soul was the cherry, they could be separated. He argued that for the ancient Hebrews they were connected, the soul being the power source for the body and leaving the body only when it was too weak to keep the physical body going.

True that those stories in the Hebrew Bible represent the same general concepts of life by virtually all humans who have ever lived. There is more than we know. We need the help of the unknown to heal us and provide us good crops. So too the ancient Hebrews God was who sent the rain, healed the sick, won wars, delivered spoils of war but left us with 613 codes of behavior. In the Hebrew Bible those who were giants of faith were people acting out God's will, not those sitting around contemplating, theorizing and equivocating. The Hebrew Bible is a living testament to the fact that faithfulness is determined by what you do, how you live and what you are willing to sacrifice in this life believing we all go to the same place after death, sheol. Perhaps without a final judgement after death, they were more concerned with obedience to God while alive, not out of some idea of eventual eternal reward. Their reward was living life obedient to their God. Our religion today looks anemic by comparison because the popular idea is that our faithfulness comes through contemplation of dogmas, catechisms and bible study. Now God is suddenly thrilled to get one hour a week from us in air-conditioned comfort. The Greeks of the New Testament would be proud that we all finally came around to their way of thinking. Placate the gods, do their rituals, donate to their temples then live you best life as if God does not exist.

 

[rewriter]

True that those stories in the Hebrew Bible represent the same general concepts of life by virtually all humans who have ever lived. There is more than we know. We need the help of the unknown to heal us and provide us good crops. So too the ancient Hebrews God was who sent the rain, healed the sick, won wars, delivered spoils of war but left us with 613 codes of behavior. In the Hebrew Bible those who were giants of faith were people acting out God's will, not those sitting around contemplating, theorizing and equivocating. The Hebrew Bible is a living testament to the fact that faithfulness is determined by what you do, how you live and what you are willing to sacrifice in this life believing we all go to the same place after death, sheol. Perhaps without a final judgement after death, they were more concerned with obedience to God while alive, not out of some idea of eventual eternal reward. Their reward was living life obedient to their God. Our religion today looks anemic by comparison because the popular idea is that our faithfulness comes through contemplation of dogmas, catechisms and bible study. Now God is suddenly thrilled to get one hour a week from us in air-conditioned comfort. The Greeks of the New Testament would be proud that we all finally came around to their way of thinking. Placate the gods, do their rituals, donate to their temples then live you best life as if God does not exist.

I rather suspect that humanity has not changed all that much over the past 3-4000 years. Some few people actively step out in faith, but the vast majority give God what time they think they can spare to do the minimal rituals to keep Him happy. In the OT we constantly hear about how the bulk of the people did what was right in their own eyes and ignored the commandments of God. But I am also certain that among those doing what was tight in their own eyes were several who insisted that they were doing and preaching what God wanted.

 

[biblestudent78]

I rather suspect that humanity has not changed all that much over the past 3-4000 years. Some few people actively step out in faith, but the vast majority give God what time they think they can spare to do the minimal rituals to keep Him happy. In the OT we constantly hear about how the bulk of the people did what was right in their own eyes and ignored the commandments of God. But I am also certain that among those doing what was tight in their own eyes were several who insisted that they were doing and preaching what God wanted.

Well, that humanity thing is a lot longer than 3-4 thousand years. Even Jericho looks like it was founded about 9,000 yrs ago and the evolving Turkish excavations are taking back human organized civilizations to approx 12,000 years ago. Of course, we are not discussing the historical beginnings of human beings as we know them.

There were at least two kinds of "doing what God wanted in the Hebrew Bible.
1. Things some self-appointed "prophet of God" said
2. Things done wrong without any knowledge of what was "right."

On item 1, one of the realities we live with today is the issue of what was not known at the time of the writing (and rewriting). As an example, the Book of Isaiah clearly has 3 authors. The dead sea scrolls demonstrates this clearly. The original Isaiah wrote. The first 39 chapters also known as Proto-Isaiah, primarily focuses on judgment and warnings to Israel and surrounding nations during the 8th century BC. Second Isaiah (Chapters 40–55): Also known as Deutero-Isaiah, this section shifts to a message of comfort and hope for the Jewish people during their exile in Babylon. Third Isaiah (Chapters 56–66): Also known as Trito-Isaiah, these final chapters address the people after their return from exile, focusing on the restoration of Jerusalem and the promise of a "new heavens and a new earth."

 

[rewriter]

I know mankind has been around far more that 3-4000 years, but that is the approximate age for the Hebrew people if they are the descendants of Abraham.

And referencing Isaiah, I fully agree with yoiur assessment. I also trust that you know that part of Isaiah was borrowed from propaganda.