Loss of salvation???
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JUSTIFIED>>>> a status declared by Christ Jesus based on the gift of salvation, the righteousness He has imputed to us because of His completed work and our trusting Him for the gift.
Get your eyes off yourself.
Not gonna play the verse game ...goes nowhere.
Saved means saved,
not quasi saved,
not almost saved,
not maybe saved,
not tentatively saved,
not I need to please God to be saved,
not sometimes saved,
not stay saved by good works obedience saved
not fickle saved,
not human effort saved,
not will I measure up saved.
>>>>>> and justified in scripture means justified.
Words have meaning.
Justification is only the beginning.
What we do with this justification is what will determine our fate.
Jesus said that we are to ABIDE in Him.
Abide means to live with....it's an ongoing action...it has to continue.
If we stop abiding/remaining in Jesus...we will be tossed aside like a branch that has been broken off.
John 15:5-6
5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing.
6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned.
Jesus is teaching that we are to abide IN Him...
We are to REMAIN IN Him.....
Notice that only believers are IN JESUS and are abiding IN Him....
THEY can be discarded IF they leave Him.
You are totally allowed to believe how you want, I'm getting a little worn out, with debating things. I will Say, Matthew 22, sorta covers all those points.
14For many are called, but few are chosen.”
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I never said there are only 9 commandments, as you are stating, NOR am I forgetting one.
The Gentiles were never told to honor Shabbat under the NC. There is no verse telling us to do so.
I've posted re: such a person before.
I lost track of him. Maybe he repented. Maybe he didn't.
Maybe I'll look for him after all is said and done and see if he's with us. Then all of our questions about true believers and fake believers, and one-time believers and enduring believers, and OSAS and ES vs. WITHDRAWAL will be fully understood and all our work and speculations will be answered. Maybe we'll finally understand whether human volition was actually important to God or just some fallacy we lived in.
You can believe what you want, don't really want to get caught up in any more debates. I pretty much layed out how I see it, most disagree. Life goes on.
If you want to quote scripture, you came to the right forum.
Sure there is, the Sabbath was made for mankind said Jesus who is God so unless one is not a human-being the Sabbath according to Jesus is made for them Mar2:27-28 Jesus said- if you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15 the commandments have always been for those who love God Exo20:6- Jesus who is God is the one speaking His commandments at Mt Sinai and He prophesized of magnifying them Isa42:21 not a jot or tittle can pass, because who can edit God? Why the saints keep the commandments of God and faith of Jesus until the end of time Rev14:12
Good luck with the enduring, better reach a higher level than Christ Jesus did... is there a higher level than complete?
I will go with what the Bible actually teaches in its entirety, not one verse here and one verse there.
Justified is Justified.
No issue - it doesn't depend on you for breath.
I know your counter. I know my following counter.
There is no counter to >>>> Justified it justified.
I mean unless one becomes like the Calvies and changes the meanings of words.
The real legalism may be treating justification as a non‑relational legal status rather than relational union with Christ. He is our righteousness, and our justification is in union - in relationship - with Him. The question being discussed is whether or not men can walk away from this relationship.I only need one word.
JUSTIFIED!
Maybe it's not only the "Calvies" who are changing the meanings and actual context of the words.There is no counter to >>>> Justified it justified.
I mean unless one becomes like the Calvies and changes the meanings of words.
So how would you define justified seen through the lens of how Paul meant it to be understood?
Many ways to approach it I guess. Loss of salvation, faith, relationship, etc.
Loss is really not the best way to be discussing it IMO. It's too loaded and too charged by now. The biblical words are withdrawal, falling away, etc.
The word in Heb3:12 some of us were discussing is afistēmi - Lexicall per BDAG: of action that results in the distancing of pers. or thing from pers., thing, place, or condition. 1. to cause someone to move from a reference point, trans., in our lit. in ref. to altering allegiance cause to revolt, mislead; 2. to distance oneself from some pers. or thing: a. go away, withdraw; b. keep away, abstain.
It's part of what "Holy Brothers" & "partakers of [a] heavenly call/invitation" (Heb3:1) are being warned and commanded to not get into and to be guarded against (Heb3).