We are certainly raptured beforehand.
That's what happens when your allies have less faith than Islamist jihadis; but propaganda isn't a substitute for strategy, firepower, and logistics; let alone God's actual favor.
Our "allies" have tested us for long enough; it's about time we tested them.
As I've previously mentioned, I believe Israel is not saved under a different covenant than the Gentiles; both are saved solely through faith in Jesus Christ under the one Covenant of Grace. While some suggest a future, large-scale conversion of ethnic Israel (Romans 11), they are grafted into the same olive tree—the church—as Gentiles.The Church age corresponds to Ruth gleaning.
Israel’s national restoration corresponds to Naomi’s fullness.
Both converge in the Davidic Kingdom.
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The New Covenant has DIFFERENT ASPECTS in consideration of the "who" and the "when" of receiving it.
A Biblically supported nuance that seems to be far above the pay grade of the Biblical illiterate deniers.
These DIFFERING ASPECTS hard "hard wired" into the Biblical narrative both OT and NT.
For example the story of Ruth and Naomi and the Kinsman Redeemer.
The Kinsman marries the gentile bride Ruth, Naomi obtains her land, title, and secures her future in it.
There are many other examples of this "hard wired" codified (and actually written in code BTW) support for the future for National Israel in the New Covenant.
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The book of Book of Ruth is often taught devotionally, but it also serves as a prophetic type — illustrating the distinction between national Israel (Naomi) and a Gentile bride (Ruth) while showing how both ultimately share in covenant blessing.
Below is a structured summary along those lines.
Naomi — A Picture of National Israel
Her Condition
Famine in Bethlehem → departure from the land
Loss of husband and sons
Emptiness (“Call me Mara”)
No redeemer operating on her behalf yet
Prophetic parallel:
Israel scattered among the nations
Spiritual barrenness
Under discipline
Covenant promises dormant but not cancelled
Naomi is not replaced — she is restored.
Ruth — A Picture of the Gentile Church
Her Identity
A Moabitess (outside covenant privilege)
No legal claim to Israel’s promises
Comes purely by grace
Personally chooses Naomi’s God
“Your people shall be my people, and your God my God.”
Prophetic parallel:
The Church comes from the nations
Saved apart from land or national promise
Brought near by grace, not genealogy
Gains intimate relationship to the Redeemer
Ruth is not given Israel’s national inheritance — she is given a bride’s position.
Boaz — The Kinsman-Redeemer
Boaz redeems:
The land (Naomi’s inheritance)
The bride (Ruth)
This mirrors Christ as:
Redeemer of Israel’s covenant promises
Bridegroom of the Church
But note the nuance:
Naomi’s inheritance is land-based and covenantal
Ruth’s inheritance is relational and marital
Different spheres, same Redeemer.
How Both Fulfill the New Covenant — Differently
The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31) is made with “the house of Israel and Judah.”
In this typological reading:
Naomi (Israel)
Receives restoration to inheritance
Experiences covenant faithfulness
Ultimately rejoices when the child (Obed) is born
Ends full — not empty
This parallels:
National repentance
Regathering to land
Kingdom blessing
Davidic throne fulfilled
Ruth (Gentile Church)
Receives personal redemption now
Enters intimate union with the Redeemer
Bears fruit through grace
Is brought into the lineage of David
This parallels:
Spiritual regeneration
Union with Christ
Heavenly identity
Co-heirship through grace
The Nuanced Differences
Naomi (Israel) Ruth (Church)
Earthly inheritance Heavenly calling
National covenant Spiritual union
Land restored Bride relationship
Prophetic fulfillment in kingdom Present spiritual fulfillment
Public national redemption Personal redemptive intimacy
Both share redemption — but the purpose differs.
The Larger Prophetic Pattern
Ruth takes place “in the days when the judges ruled” — a time of chaos.
Many dispensational teachers see the pattern:
Israel in discipline (Naomi bitter).
A Gentile bride called out (Ruth).
The Redeemer revealed.
The land restored.
Joy in Bethlehem.
Davidic line secured.
In that framework:
The Church age corresponds to Ruth gleaning.
Israel’s national restoration corresponds to Naomi’s fullness.
Both converge in the Davidic Kingdom.
The Main Truth
God does not cancel promises.
He fulfills them according to their original intent.
Israel is restored as a nation.
The Church is joined as a bride.
The Redeemer secures both.
Different roles.
Different spheres.
One covenant faithfulness.
One Redeemer.
And just to refresh your "memory":Jesus made it easy to know without having to wade through complex charts and wall-of-text AI explanations that make peoples' eyes cross. When the trumpets begin to sound (Revelation 8:7) we will know that his return is not far away. Just as 7 trumpets preceded the ark of the covenant around Jericho, so too the 7 trumpets of God decribed in Revelation will precede the unveiling and coming of the true ark of God
He doesn't care about sundry laws, or even polls, as Trump is done after this term. But understand that nobody else really cares about "international law" either, it's all political grandstanding self-righteous jawboning.What is testing us is the Donald. He didn’t bother to prepare America for this war, and his numbers are, as a consequence of that, lower than ever.
He is also misinterpreting article five in the NATO treaty. NATO is not a draft treaty where you’re hauling your allies into a conflict you have started yourself.
While the above makes for interesting reading, the Old Testament as filled with numerous types and shadows that prefigure Jesus Christ (the antitype) through people, events, and institutions.It is obvious to me that your pastor cannot, does not or has not taught you this CRITICAL Bible study.
If he does not know of this, he is unqualified.
If he does know but does not teach it, he is DISQUALIFIED.
The book of Ruth proves conclusively beyond a shadow of a doubt these Biblical truths:
- the inevitable redemption of the Nation Israel
-the rapture of the Church
-the sure fulfillment of "end-time" Biblical prophecy
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This is one of the richest prophetic pictures in the entire Old Testament. The Book of Ruth is not just a love story — it is a prophetic model of the Church age and the redemption of the Gentile Bride by Christ.
I’ll walk it step-by-step and then show how the threshing floor = pre-trib rapture.
1. Boaz = Christ, the Kinsman-Redeemer
The Hebrew word is goel (גואל) — kinsman-redeemer.
A goel had to meet four legal requirements under the Law of Moses (Lev 25; Deut 25):
Requirement Boaz Jesus Must be a close relative
Boaz was Elimelech’s near kinsman
Jesus became human — “took on flesh” - Must be able to redeem
Boaz was wealthy - Christ possessed infinite worth
Must be willing - Boaz said “I will redeem” - Jesus willingly went to the cross
Must be free himself - Boaz had no debt - Christ was sinless
Boaz is explicitly called “a mighty man of wealth” (Ruth 2:1) — a prophetic shadow of Christ’s infinite redemptive power.
2. Ruth = the Gentile Bride (the Church)
Ruth is not Jewish — she is a Moabite, from a cursed Gentile nation (Deut 23:3). Yet:
“Your people shall be my people, and your God my God.” (Ruth 1:16)
That is the confession of the Church.
Ruth represents Gentiles who attach themselves ***TO Israel’s Messiah***.
Just like the Church:
• She is foreign
• She is poor
• She has no inheritance
• She is brought into blessing by grace
She does not pursue Boaz.
Boaz pursues Ruth.
This mirrors Christ choosing the Church.
3. Naomi = Israel
Naomi is the Jewish mother figure.
Her name means “pleasant”, but she becomes “Mara” (bitter) — Israel in exile.
She returns to the land empty (Ruth 1:21).
This is Israel after rejection of Messiah.
But Ruth returns with her — the Gentile bride walking with Israel back into blessing.
4. The Harvests = Church Age
There are two harvests in Ruth:
• Barley harvest (Ruth 1–2) — Firstfruits CHURCH
• Wheat harvest (Ruth 2–3) — Full harvest ISRAEL AND THE WORLD POST-CHURCH
Ruth meets Boaz during the FIRST harvest — just as the Church is called out during the first harvest.
Jesus said:
“The harvest is the end of the age.” THIS IS THE WHEAT HARVEST AFTER THE CHURCH HAS BEEN RAPTURED
5. The Threshing Floor = Rapture Type
Now the most important part.
In Ruth 3:
Boaz sleeps on the threshing floor after winnowing barley.
Threshing floor in Scripture always represents judgment & separation (Matt 3:12, Rev 14).
Grain is separated from chaff.
This is end-of-age imagery.
What does Ruth do?
Naomi instructs her:
- Wash
- Anoint yourself
- Put on garments
- Go down secretly at night
- Approach Boaz while he sleeps
That is a picture of the Church:
• Washed (justified)
• Anointed (Holy Spirit)
• Clothed (righteousness)
• Comes in the night (unexpected)
• Goes up to Christ
Ruth uncovers Boaz’s feet and lies down.
This is a marriage request in Hebrew culture.
Boaz responds:
“Fear not… I will do all that you ask.”
Then he gives her six measures of barley — not seven.
Seven = completion.
Six = work unfinished.
Why?
Because the marriage has not happened yet.
6. Ruth Leaves BEFORE Judgment Falls
Ruth leaves the threshing floor before morning:
“Let it not be known that a woman came to the floor.” (Ruth 3:14)
This is huge.
She is removed before daylight, before public judgment begins.
That is exactly the pattern of the pre-trib rapture:
• Night
• Secret
• Removed before wrath
• Bride taken
• Then legal judgments begin
After Ruth leaves…
Boaz goes to the city gate to settle the legal redemption.
The city gate = judgment seat.
That is when Christ deals with Israel and the land — AFTER the Church is gone.
7. Then the Marriage Happens
Ruth is not present at the gate.
The Bride is not involved in the judgment of the earth.
After redemption is legally settled:
“Boaz took Ruth, and she became his wife.” (Ruth 4:13)
Then comes fruitfulness.
8. Why this proves Pre-Trib
Order in Ruth:
- Gentile bride chosen
- Taken secretly from threshing floor
- Legal redemption of land (Israel)
- Public marriage
- Kingdom blessing
Order in prophecy:
- Church called
- Raptured
- Israel redeemed during Tribulation
- Marriage of the Lamb
- Kingdom
They match exactly.
Final Truth
Ruth is not a romance.
It is a prophetic blueprint of Christ and the Church.
Boaz = Christ
Ruth = Gentile Bride
Naomi = Israel
Threshing floor = end-time separation
Removal at night = rapture
Gate judgment = Tribulation
Marriage = Kingdom
The Church is taken before the threshing of the nations begins.
Yes I believe we should forget about trying to find out what God has deliberately hidden from us.So let me see if I understand what you are saying.
1. Since Bible scholars and theologians are not in agreement might as well forget about it?
That sure makes it easy for Satan, disguise yourself as an angel of light, disagree and therefore no one knows.
2. Jesus said no body knows the year. Really? What verse is that. You see that is changing the word of God. Jesus never said that.
3. Your minister teaches you that you don't need to be concerned about when Jesus might come. OK, Jesus taught that we should watch. He taught that repeatedly. So your minister is teaching contrary to Jesus Christ.
We believe all of the prophecies, but we don't interpret them in the same way you do. Nothing in the Bible is written in a simple "non-arbitrary" way. Every verse needs to be understood in it's intended context, and it must line up with every other verse in the Bible, which deals with that particular matter, doctrine or prophecy.First you say that there are many interpretations of the massive trove of irrefutable non-arbitrary prophecies related to Israel the nation who you say WILL return to the promised land.
And then you say that you and your Church do not believe these prophecies, but rather deny and ignore them.
Who in their right mind would want to put up with that kind of schizoid nonsense in a Church or anywhere else?
Yabba Dabba Doo vs. Ala Carte Snackbar.
I believe we should read the Bible and believe the Bible. The Bible gave us the exact year that Jesus would be crucified, it also gave us the exact year that the Jews would return from Babylon during Daniel's time. There is no Biblical basis to say that God would hide the year from us. You are making up a Biblical basis that does not exist and you are denying the Biblical basis that does. God tells us the end from the beginning, this is proof that He is God and there is none like Him.Yes I believe we should forget about trying to find out what God has deliberately hidden from us.
Satan can disguise Himself as much as He likes, but Gods Word reveals that it is impossible to deceive His elect. We know what God has revealed and we don't want to know those things He has hidden from us.
I'm not sure if you're aware of the fact that "a day" can represent a year in the bible. So yes, nobody knows the year or the hour of Christs return.
Yes my Minister does teach me not to be concerned about when Jesus might come back. He teaches that us that believers are already saved, so we don't need to fear the coming judgement of sinners.
The "we should watch" is an exhortation to personal obedience and discipline, we're not waiting for the "Man of war" to come and wage war against us. That's what the wicked should be worried about.
This war debacle has ONE primary salient purpose: the PRESERVATION of the Nation Israel, the people whom God foreknew. And of course setting the stage for the fulfillment of all "end-time" prophecy.
The SECOND Coming of Christ Jesus the Kinsman Redeemer will likewise be for ISRAEL.
Your replacement theology false doctrine has already been debunked at every point.No, it will be with Israel whom he will bring with him. All Israel, the remnant of just men made holy throughout the ages, who are all saved in the same manner, through the new covenant removal of their sins. That kingdom will never be uprooted as the OT prophets foretold.
You have offered nothing in the way of actual biblical proofs to support your anti-Israel replacement theology claims.We believe all of the prophecies, but we don't interpret them in the same way you do. Nothing in the Bible is written in a simple "non-arbitrary" way. Every verse needs to be understood in it's intended context, and it must line up with every other verse in the Bible, which deals with that particular matter, doctrine or prophecy.
Your replacement theology false doctrine has already been debunked at every point.
And because you recklessly adhere to it, I realize that you WILL not accept the clear meaning
and intent of these passages either.
Go ahead......continue to defy and deny the Biblical truth of God's eternal love for Israel.
The consequences of such folly are inevitable and tragic.
The strength of the Hebrew here is astounding and beyond debate.
Nobody in their right mind disputes the clear indented message of these passages.
Hos 3:1
Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
Hos 3:2
So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley:
Hos 3:3
And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
Hos 3:4
For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
Hos 3:5
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
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Isa 54:5
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Isa 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
Isa 54:7
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
Isa 54:8
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
(“everlasting kindness” חֶסֶד עוֹלָם (chesed olam), contrasted with "for a moment".
Unbounded in time from the speaker’s perspective
Indicates permanence or indefinite continuity due to intentional rhetorical contrast.)
Isa 54:9
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
Isa 54:10
For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.
Isa 54:11
O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
Isa 54:12
And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
Isa 54:13
And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
That passage (often quoted by the replacement theology crew as some kind of proof) I have already debunked.You are obviously arguing from the perspective of unbelieving pharisees who do not see Christ, and out of necessity shift everything to the future. But it's clear that the last days the prophets were referring to in many cases were the last days of Israel nearly 2000 years ago. For example:
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:17God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1:1-2
But pharisees are blind to what scripture plainly says and can't see the obvious because they are not of faith, thus everything is worldly to them.