Loss of salvation???
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The parable is about hearing Jesus' words and doing them vs. hearing Jesus' words and not doing them.
It's a teaching about obedience to Jesus Christ vs. disobedience to Jesus Christ.
If obeying Jesus is our foundation we build upon, then He compares us to wise men and the storms can't cause us to fall.
If we build upon disobeying Jesus, then He compares us to moros men - foolish men, stupid men - and we will fall a great fall.
Hear and obey Jesus = the foundation of the wise who won't fall.
Unless we want to remove faith from the teaching, then this is another Faith-Obedience lesson.
Since men have volition, we can change our obedience to disobedience - our wisdom to stupidity - our foundation from rock - Jesus Christ - to sand.
This is all relational loyalty in concept and reality.
Anybody stripping obedience to Jesus Christ from this or other lessons is moros.
The end was in the beginning:
NKJ Matt7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me (leave Me, go away from Me), you who
I shudder to think of that given that someone had actually granted her authority over their child's guidance in concern to their salvation.
I remember when she stated, many years back, that Christ had wasted His blood on some people......... or something to that effect.
Wow! Profaning His blood?!! Hmm, then, it's no wonder...I remember when she stated, many years back, that Christ had wasted His blood on some people......... or something to that effect.
The parable illustrates acting on what Jesus taught, not doing what he commanded. The distinction is critical.
There is only one storm illustrated in the parable and it comes after the house is built.
We must be careful to avoid giving the wrong impression. There is more to Jesus' teaching than rules to obey. The parables, for instance, don't compel us to obey a command, but they compel us to think rationally about truth, goodness, and righteousness.
The antithesis of acting on what Jesus taught is not acting on it. Defining "acting" as "obeying a command" flattens down the meaning of the parable too much.
Sure, but that is beside the point. The parable posits a situation in which a believer who builds his life on the foundation of Jesus' teaching will not fail to be saved.
More Faith-Obedience – Obedience emphasized
NKJ Luke17:3-10 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 "And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."
NKJ Luke17:3-10 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 "And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."
- Jesus COMMANDS to be in a state of alert/pay close attention/be occupied with what He will say.
- IF your brother sins against you, then [COMMAND] rebuke him
- And IF [your brother] repents, then [COMMAND] release/pardon him
- IF [your brother] sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times turns back towards you saying, I repent,’ then you shall (Hebrew divine imperative language) release/pardon him.
- This is an imperative mood command made to higher authority – it’s an entreaty to Jesus – asking Him for help
- The apostles’ version of faith-alone!!!
- We’re going to see that Jesus does not grant their request, nor does He accept their premise. They are in fact misrepresenting biblical faith in God.
- Jesus applies some rhetorical instruction with an assumption of a truth for the sake of argument.
- Jesus uses comparative language where He’s not speaking of the amount of faith, but the kind of faith – looking at the small mustard seed that lives and produces and does what it’s supposed to
- If you have this kind of faith, then you would be saying to this mulberry tree…
- This is not a single saying, but a habitual way of speaking
- So, Jesus is not only challenging them about what they said, but also about the way they’re speaking – their mindset and attitude.
- He’s challenging them about the way they’re thinking and speaking to Him (“add to our faith” after He commanded them what to do).
- “Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea, and it would obey you.”
- Jesus is saying with the proper kind of faith and content and way of speaking,
- You’d be commanding this tree to be uprooted and planted in the sea.
- These are passive commands
- If the tree were to obey them, then they’d be active commands.
- What Jesus is saying is that God would respond and act and the tree would obey.
- This is a lesson about biblical faith and how God responds to it
- The lesson about having biblical faith continues
- The answer to this rhetorical question is that this is not the usual way masters treat slaves, even ones tired from working all day.
- The master will COMMAND the tired slaves to prepare his meal, and serve him, and then they will eat and drink afterward.
- More rhetoric - the master does not thank the slave because he did the things he was ordered to do.
- We're under obligation to obey Jesus Christ
- I like the way Jesus ends this “I think not” – “I don’t think so”
- So, just like what Jesus just told them:
- When you have done all the things ordered to you – you say ‘we are worthless slaves – we have done/are doing what we are indebted/obligated to do.
- It’s Faith-Obedience
- It’s not faith-alone
- Apart from obedience it’s not the biblical kind of faith
- God responds to Faith-Obedience
- In one sense our mindset must be that we are worthless slaves doing what we are obligated to do no matter how tired, how weak, etc...
- We are to habitually speak from a proper mindset based in faith-obedience
- Jesus Christ commands and orders – we obey in faith
- God responds in ways we likely cannot imagine.
I posed this question in the 10 commandments thread #6296.
Re: Gal 2:18's stipulation in proving himself to be a transgressor if he tears down what he has built. This 'working lawlessness' seems to be conveying a similar message. That is, the law is fully fulfilled in Christ, so that if anyone should 'tear down' any part of that foundation, which is Christ crucified, and rebuild on it prophesies, and casting out demons, and many wonders 'in His name,' as if "His Name" was less than sufficient, I can see why He'd be offended in any claims of knowing Him.
Jesus said this:
Matthew 12:30
30“He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Are you gathering or scattering?
Matthew 12:33-35
33“Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit.
34“You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.
35“The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.
Let's look at the verses again.....
Paul makes very clear what the judgment will be:
Romans 2:4-11
4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
As Jesus has also stated in John 5:28-29, and is repeated in Revelation 22:12
we will be judged by our behavior...by what we have done while here.
7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
Those who do not obey the truth but are unrighteous, they will receive wrath and indignation from the One who will judge.
9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
To the one who does evil....
no reason stated....
no reason necessary....
evil is following satan and disobeying God.
10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Glory and honor to those that do GOOD...
no reason stated...
no reason necessary....
doing good is following the teachings of Jesus...
it is obeying the truth.
11For there is no partiality with God.
No partiality.
He who does good will get their inheritance.
Doing good is obeying God.
He who does evil will get their inheritance.
Doing evil is disobeying God.
No reasons are giving...
no reasons are necessary.
Jesus issues approximately 50 commands in Matt5-7.
"Torah" at root means instruction. Everything He commands and teaches is to be obeyed and done.
John14:21-24 Jesus freely changes from keeping His commandments, to keeping His word, to keeping His words.
Doing and obeying are also used interchangeably at times.
Your critical distinction is a proverbial distinction without a difference.
NKJ Matt7:21-25 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
- Context is the future
- Therefore/So then (since this is what that future will be - He'll explain it)
- In that future when we stand before Him
- He will look to see if the house we built lasted
- If it lasted, then it had been founded based upon rock
- That rock foundation was hearing and doing what He said
- This is when all is said and done
- It represents an entire life
- That foundation of hearing and doing what He says is a life lived this way until the end
- Many things happen in a life - many decisions are made.
Asked and answered. Do what He says - obey what He commands - keep his commandments - keep His word - keep His words - they're all basically the same thing.
Do what you think you must. I think you're over-concerned about rules and obeying Him in Faith which is Obedience. I don't care for they way some of us are reluctant to speak of obeying God. IMO it's a real problem that says we're still in the old Adam more than we realize.
NKJ 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
NKJ Heb5:8-9 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
What is it you're not getting? What Bible are you reading?
- Our first-born Brother and Lord (Rom8) - Jesus YHWH's Christ/King (Psalm2):
- Learned obedience
- Became perfected
- Became responsible for eternal salvation for His siblings who obey Him
- Love for God is keeping His commandments and His commandments not being a burden.
- Some of us sound obedience to God is a 4-letter word and the epitome of a burden
Why do you delete things and soften them?
The foundation is a life built upon hearing and doing - obeying Him and what He says - until the end.
Hopefully you've read what I just posted re: Luke17. I think some of us should dwell there for awhile until He makes it sink in and become part of us.
Did I mention that Jesus issues about 50 commands in Matt5-7? Thought so.
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Matthew 7:23 describes people who use Jesus’ name but refuse to hear and do His words — a life of disobedience (thus unbelief) that Jesus calls lawlessness, which is sin.
Galatians 2:18 describes reverting back to Law‑righteousness after coming to Christ — a return to sin, which is lawlessness, which is disobedience, which is unbelief, that makes the person the transgressor/violator, not Christ.
In both passages the issue is relational loyalty: remaining in Him as our righteousness and living in the hearing‑and‑doing obedience His Word calls faith. It also says this is doing righteousness. That is the only house that will be standing in the end which He speaks of in Matt27.
The result is relational but the decree is legal.
One is pronounced legally righteous.
Sorry there is no argument against this, it is firm.
If you do not see/accept the big picture, no point in trying to understand scripture really, it becomes one big contradictory mess.
Justified is justified.
Jesus taught in parables.
He also gave specific commands.
If you click on this, you'll find over 1,000 commands of Jesus.
Jesus does not say what you say: justified is justified.
Unless you are able to find where in the NT Jesus said this.
Perhaps seeing the big picture is keeping you from seeing what Jesus taught?
The writer of Hebrews taught:
Hebrews 12;14
14Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.
Without sanctification no one will see the Lord.
No sanctification.
No justification.
No justification.
No salvation.
It's all one picture....
be it macro
or be it micro.