Loss of salvation???
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Yes.
Looks like the older the kids get...
the worse they become.
They listen less....
thinking that they already know everything.
To say nothing of the fact that the heart tends to become more, shall we say, unyielding.
Sorry, I stopped reading after your first sentence. I am only interested in what God is telling me through His Word. Psa119:105
Yes, I agree we are not really saying very much different, I was being short in my response.
Tour Keepers and supporters of a binding Mosaic law love to use the verse where it says sin is lawlessness and that lawlessness is not following the Mosaic law therefore if you don't follow the Mosaic law you are sinning however the actual verse in context is referring to General lawlessness all societies Pagan or other have guidelines and laws and if you break those guidelines you may not be sinning as Christians understand it but it is bad
They assume that without the Mosaic law we wouldn't know what sin is and that may be true but as referenced above societies have moral laws don't kill don't steal Etc it doesn't take a Divine God with a master plan and a mosaic law to come to the realization you shouldn't be killing people
They were all under the old covenant.
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Yes, whateva in deed.
Are you referring to me??
Both are purveyors of false doctrine along with wisdom from the darkened mind of mankind
They got their degrees from Walmart on the romper room isle, right next to the diapers
Well then your discounting that God can be speaking through people which is a way of shutting God out
Not to mention that the advice I was giving you would have brought you closer to God as opposed to blocking him out with the Mosaic law
If you would have led by this is what I have found in Scripture, not this is what I am telling you. There is a big difference.
You will not find one post of mine advocating to keep the Mosaic law. The Ten Commandments is the law of God Exo20:6 Written by God, spoken by God Exo31:18 its the works of God, not Moses Exo32:16, why we only find the name of God in the first four commandments on He asks us to love Him Exo20:6 and the saints keep them until the end Rev14:12 His version, not what man edited. Dan7:25
Well I agree we should not be getting our theology from Google or AI I have yet to see where it's just lying to you deceiving you anybody got any evidence
It really helps if you actually understood the Mosaic law it's purpose scoping intent it also helps if you don't twist scriptures to match a heretical theology and more importantly it helps to understand what the New Testament was why it is different and what exactly was achieved by Christ on the cross then you can go back and understand why Paul says more than 40 times the Mosaic law is passed fading obsolete replaced by a more perfect law
Here's the problem one person reads the scripture and believes it says something else because of presupposition and another person reads the scripture and believes what it says neither of them are going to come to the conclusion that their version of it is wrong and therefore many times simply throwing scripture out is not the way to answer the question as a person's interpretation of it is the problem
Most of the time when people have issues and scripture it is largely due to not understanding the big picture of the entirety of the Bible which requires numerous reads of the entire Bible deep Dives on several if not all books as well as how theology has handled many of the questions in the past
When it delivers reformed theology, calvinism, or some other cult teaching to you, it's deceiving you.
AI and search engines are simply giving you what is found on the internet and the internet is chocked full of false doctrine because it reflects the darkened wisdom of mankind instead of the Mind of Christ which only the Holy Spirit can reveal which is based on God's Word not religion.
The smart ones are relying on the Holy Spirit to lead and guide them based on God's Word in these last days and Christians are departing from the faith all over the place to follow doctrines of demons
1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
As an Israeli, I was raised with the Law, but have long since walked away from Messianic Judaism. The Law is indeed still in force as the indicting curse against unbelievers, as an instruction as to what sin is and a curse against those who think they are saved by living it...in addition to or in the place of Christ Jesus...and is therefore something very dangerous with which to wrestle in this life, even though it is holy.
So, given that some pagan cultures practiced murder being wrong, quite a number did not, so the arguments I've encountered out there with secularists in favor of the "basic goodness of mankind" are shown to be absolutely in error.
So, yes, it does indeed take a Divine God to show ALL of His moral absolutes that transcend time and culture. Murder is no acid test for the necessity for guidance within the lives of all people's. We are not under the Law nor its curse with our being filled with Holy Spirit...the Author of the Law.
MM
That which you speak of intimates the meaning a living Word.
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Yes, only one acts on it, and the other doesn’t.
It’s there!
““But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:”
Matthew 7:26 NKJV
The foundation is what He built, the gospel. If you make your house on a different doctrine, then it is not wise.
If you're talking about truly saved Gentile Christians, no. It doesn't, nor does it apply to Messianic Israelis. In Christ, we're all one and the same in relation to salvation through grace by faith alone in Christ Jesus, but in this world the distinctions remain.
As I had stated, it's unbelievers who are under the Law still, not the body of Christ. We're all dead to the Law.
MM
I understand my question derives from my problem with theologies like Hebrew roots or SDA who believes that still today and also as far back as Genesis 1 the Mosaic law somehow has been imparted on everybody for all times even after the crucifixion
What about the 10 Suggestions?
It's all cool for Christians to lie, steal, do idolatry, adultery, etc etc?
When one says "we are not under the law" they fail to understand that in the New Covenant we are under the Law of Christ, aka the Doctrine of Christ and there are some does and don't involved.
Except of course for the greasy grace people who claim all future sins have already been forgive and they claim when Christians sin God cannot see it so it matters not if Christians live in sin because we are in Christ now and God has no idea if we are sinning or not
Obviously the devil has had a lot of fun with the greasy grace people
is this Torah following something new or did I miss it?
Can't remember hearing about this, say, 20 years ago.
So many new ideas floating around - Having trouble keeping up.
If I'm not mistaken...Christian theology teaches that the Law has been abolished - except for the Moral Law which is eternal and will never be abolished. This would be the 10 commandments and anything that Jesus taught. I would exclude the Sabbath law....whatever day someone wants to worship is not of importance to me.
Also, if you care to respond...seems like you know about the Covenants...
would you say the sign of the NC is baptism or communion?