Yes, there are a number of traditions, all of which disagree with one another on various points, thus showing to us that they can't all be true, but they can all be false. Can we agree on that? It has been my experience that there is social and spiritual value in all versions of Christianity. That is why we have thousands of competing "brands." Each highlights their theological virtue and demean all the others. Everybody wants to be "saved" but nobody wants to be converted.Yes, there are a number of traditions, all of which disagree with one another on various points, thus showing to us that they can't all be true, but they can all be false. Can we agree on that?
(grin) I've been asked many times what I am...Baptist, Lutheran, etc., etc., etc. I don't rightly know that there is a label to which I conform...other than to say that I'm a Biblicist. What about yourself?
The only restraint upon Adam and Eve was for them to abstain from eating from just one tree, with their diet being restricted to fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries. Later, in Genesis 9, that all changed to man being allowed to eat everything that moved upon the earth. Then, in Leviticus, we of Israel were restricted from eating quite a variety of animals that moved upon the earth...all of which is to say that the Lord changed the rules from time to time throughout history, including the Gospels and the requirements for salvation.
That's true, although they were not so much at odds except that they were aimed at different groupings, with the Kingdom Gospel being for Israel and the Gospel of grace for Israel and for Gentiles, with Paul preaching ONLY to those Jews and synagogues that had not yet been visited by the twelve. The Kingdom Gospel required water baptism for the remission of sins, where the Gospel of Grace laid down no such requirement upon its adherents. I agree with you that there are many different groupings, all of whom have differing focus and differing doctrines...some polar opposites of one another, which is why I have no regard for group-think and socially engineered doctrines that deviate away from what inspired scripture clearly teaches to us.
Can we agree that Paul wasn't nullifying the four items conveyed by James and the counsel, but simply arguing that, for example, the meats sacrificed to idols are nothing in and of themselves, but that doing so is an affront to some that may cause them to stumble, and that willfully doing so is an issue within the heart of the one doing so? If not, then please elaborate.
Can we agree that Paul intentionally went ONLY to us Jews and our synagogues who had not yet been under the ministry of the twelve? Can we also agree that, had the Kingdom Gospel been the exact same as the Gospel of Grace, that them crossing each other's paths in ministry would not have then been an issue? If not, then why...if you wouldn't mind expounding?
Also, Paul intentionally revealed that his ministry was indeed to the Gentiles, with him calling himself THE apostle to the Gentiles.
Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Galatians 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
The claim they were one and the same gospel makes the above a very strange and utterly irrational statement, but, you're right, many groupings believe what is contrary to what's written. That's how they erect the walls of distinctions around themselves so that they uphold the divisions among the, various factions...as petty and pathetic as that all is.
Having been raised up in Judaism and later walking away from it as an Israeli, all our knowledge of what was and is moral and adherence to stringent and Pharisaical traditions, what is known within Judaism is meaningless in its rejection of Christ Jesus as our Messiah. That much I can state authoritatively on the basis of personal experience and understanding. My brothers and sisters have no idea of what's coming their way within the wrath of the Almighty soon coming upon this earth and mankind.
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I've been asked many times what I am...Baptist, Lutheran, etc., etc., etc. I don't rightly know that there is a label to which I conform...other than to say that I'm a Biblicist. What about yourself? I am a lifelong bible student. I was baptised at age 12 and have been a student of the bible for the past 68yrs. I attend a non-demonization church weekly. I love the worship and the people. In the last 3 yrs we have fed over 450,000 children through our volunteers. Thousand are baptised each year.
Can we agree that Paul wasn't nullifying the four items conveyed by James and the counsel, but simply arguing that, for example, the meats sacrificed to idols are nothing in and of themselves, but that doing so is an affront to some that may cause them to stumble, and that willfully doing so is an issue within the heart of the one doing so? If not, then please elaborate.
Paul, above all, wanted peace in the churches so eating meat offered to idols, including those strangled and had blood in them, was fine so long as it did not cause conflict. The admonition was about conflict resolution, not about any food restrictions.
The term "Kingdom Gospel" is not a New Testament concept. There was and is only one Gospel of Christ but witnessed from many directions by NT authors. The exact same gospel were preached first to the Jews at the Pentecost after the resurrection. Those preaching were filled with the Holy Spirit and those that repented and were baptised were added to the church numbering around 3,000.
Can we agree that Paul intentionally went ONLY to us Jews and our synagogues who had not yet been under the ministry of the twelve? Can we also agree that, had the Kingdom Gospel been the exact same as the Gospel of Grace, that them crossing each other's paths in ministry would not have then been an issue? If not, then why...if you wouldn't mind expounding?
No I can not agree that only went to the Jews first. If you remember, in Athens Paul spoke to the idol worshipers not to the Jews. Paul frequently spoke in public places and in the homes of people.
That much I can state authoritatively on the basis of personal experience and understanding. My brothers and sisters have no idea of what's coming their way within the wrath of the Almighty soon coming upon this earth and mankind.
A loving God does not come in wrath. I believe any educated Hebrew bible student understands clearly that their God has brought utter destruction on Israel in the past. Somewhere between 600,000 and 1.1 million Jews died, many of starvation and disease in the sacking of the temple in 70 AD. In the Bar Kokhba Revolt of 132 AD, about 600,000 Jews were killed. Thousands were sent into permanent captivity as slaves and were permanently barred for the land for 1,812 years.
The quotes you find "strange," I interpret that was just a way of saying Paul would focus on Gentiles and Peter would focus on Jews, although Peter had already preached to a gentile family, Cornelius, at the end, in the middle of the night all were baptised.