Loss of salvation???
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I'm a little tired of hearing that our good deeds are like filthy rags....
and this from some that call themselves Christian.
I cited Exo. 31:14, 35:2 and Num. 15:32 in reply to you wanting to find the bible verse that says people go to hell for going to church on the wrong day, NOT to teach that people are required to be Sabbatarians in order to be saved.
Jesus and His apostles' epistles taught that His atonement fulfilled the Torah laws and superseded the OC with the Gospel (John 6:29, Rom. 3:21-5:1, Heb. 7:11-10:1), so we should serve the Lord by doing good/godly works every day.
Yes, Isaiah 64:6 says "our righteous acts are like filthy rags", but the context suggests that a better translation would put "righteous" in quotes or say "self-righteous". In Phil. 3:4-9 Paul said that he considered his legalistic "righteousness" to be rubbish in order to gain the righteousness of Christ via saving faith (cf. Rom. 3:21-5:1) as he sought to become morally mature (Phil. 3:12-18, Eph. 4:11-15).
Isaiah is speaking about those that sin.
THEIR acts are self-righteous, as you've stated.
The sinful do not act righteously...so all their acts are also unrighteous...
same difference.
But if we say we are believers....
then we will be righteous and are acts will be righteous.
Isaiah 64:6
1Rip the heavens apart!
Come down, Lord;
make the mountains tremble.
2Be a spark that starts a fire
causing water to boil.+
Then your enemies will know
who you are;
all nations will tremble
because you are nearby.
3Your fearsome deeds
have completely amazed us;
even the mountains shake
when you come down.
4 You are the only God
ever seen or heard of
who works miracles
for his followers.
5You help all who gladly obey
and do what you want,
but sin makes you angry.
Only by your help
can we ever be saved.+
6We are unfit to worship you;
each of our good deeds
is merely a filthy rag.
We dry up like leaves;
our sins are storm winds
sweeping us away.
7No one worships in your name
or remains faithful.
You have turned your back on us
and let our sins melt us away.+
8You, Lord, are our Father.
We are nothing but clay,
but you are the potter
who molded us.
9Don't be so furious
or keep our sins
in your thoughts forever!
Remember that all of us
are your people.
Do you know what "epexegetical" means? By admitting all four grammars classify the infinitive that way, you just proved my point, conceded the entire argument, and negated your root-fruit analogy.
What AI or other means are you using to generate these posts? They are handing you technical terms that actually undermine your own theological position.
Justification is exactly that, a status bequeathed/conferred by the judge/God in scripture.
Have you ever seen scripture that supports the fact that it can be un-bequeathed?
I think you're on to something! I did a search looking for bequeathed, un-bequeathed, justified, and un-justified - and only found justified. Go figure. . . . . .
In your view, what distinguishes those who are Christ's from those who aren't?
It becomes clearer when you look up synonyms for 'unjustified.'
unreasonable; illogical; irrational; groundless; nonsensical; invalid; unsound; unsubstantiated...
Especially considering no one really did anything that would pronounce us logical; rational; reasonable; valid; sensible; good
other than believe in the One that IS good... then how does it depend on what we do to become 'ungood'?
More of the same self‑promotion, you've won nothing & proved nothing. The sources you cited: Votaw, Robertson, BDF & Moulton Turner DO NOT support your claim, your conclusion, or your interpretation. All you've demonstrated so far is self congratulation, not exegesis.
I just do not think individual "word study" is the first "go to" for understanding a text.
Context (in its fullest sense) is always the correct approach to exegeting a text.
Convince me with Scripture - a lot of it & not just a couple verses you think make your case.
In what sense?
The reason I ask is because of your wording:
NKJ Gal5:24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
NKJ 1Cor15:20-24 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
This literally says, "the [men] [of] the Christ.
I'll leave it to you to read all the context.
I hope you'll note the resurrection context of 1Cor15 and who the next resurrected are and correlate it to how Paul describes them in Gal5:24.
What I also hope you'll do is consider this perspective when considering what biblical faith means when Paul says believing Jesus is the Christ is the only foundation to build upon - IOW what "Christ" means when speaking of Jesus Christ.
I highly doubt that is possible.
It is the Good News, and you cannot even see it, what can I add.
The saved do not sin and are basically free from the love of self and the world, as well as from the derivative passions and lusts. So, what takes place is not salvation, but the beginning of the process of reformation and regeneration. So, in that context, it is not possible to lose that which one can only receive from the Lord on coming to the other life, if qualified. But what one can lose is the Christian life that one has obtained, and so it is important that a man be in continuous activity of shunning evils as sins, provided he looks to the Lord God Jesus Christ.
OK, so now you either couldn't or simply wouldn't define and explain the meaning of "epexegetical" that you used before and that actually destroyed your argument. That's pretty slippery.
And you still haven’t quoted a single line from any of those resources that contradicts what I cited. If you believe they deny that the infinitive clause gives the content of ‘unbelief,’ then produce where they say so.
The shift to ad hominem comments about me rather than explaining what 'epexegetical' means and citing anything that refutes what I cited is the typical move when the actual content of the discussion has been left. IOW, you have nothing of meaning left.
You're simply still making unfounded assertions to shore up a failed theology, while refusing to disclose the source of the content of your posts.
Heb3:12-19 is simply a chain of explanations of the word "unbelief" - unbelief is in withdrawal <> rebellion <> sin <> disobedience <> [summarizing] unbelief. All these words tell us what biblical unbelief is.
No root-fruit analogy. No cause-effect. Simply epexegetical content, substance, explanation - just as your resource told you.
Simple logic: disobedience <> unbelief, so obedience <> belief - parallel terminology - biblical faith-obedience - ultimately faithfulness - what God requires from us and assists us to become.
