How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?
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In this Parable. The Bramble Tree is the false Prophet.
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No, you are inserting the concept of “false prophet” into situations where it simply does not fit.
Giving someone a title doesn’t make someone something they weren’t previously any more than giving them a hamburger makes them a cook. Someone who makes no prophetic claims or pronouncements is not a prophet, false or otherwise.
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With your justification.
Now I can also discern that you are a religious leader with a title given by man.
It is only Gog who elect his own people and not man to chose the people of God.
Even the real disciples of Jesus could not elect God's chosen.
Those who did not choose by God are the False Prophets.
Anyone who would preach a gospel of salvation as not being God's free gift from His exceedingly great mercy and grace through Jesus Christ, (the) Savior unto His elect, is a false prophet.
[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[Gal 1:3-4, 6-9 KJV]
3 Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: ...
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Hogwash. Again you just make things up to justify your ridiculous claims.
Your command of English is inadequate for your purposes… and you are wrong because you are changing the subject.
biblically the false prophets which arose in Israel led them astray by speaking things God didn’t say , and also explaining to them how God was “too good “ to bring to pass all of the dire warnings concerning sin , repentance and wrath to come he had given them all along.
they began telling the people thier own message that sounded good which left out and contradicted the things God was actually saying .
“Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins. Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good. When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed. And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them. Therefore thou shalt say this word unto them; Let mine eyes run down with tears night and day, and let them not cease: for the virgin daughter of my people is broken with a great breach, with a very grievous blow. If I go forth into the field, then behold the slain with the sword! and if I enter into the city, then behold them that are sick with famine! yea, both the prophet and the priest go about into a land that they know not.”
Jeremiah 14:10-18 KJV
this is a repetetive theme in the ot which contributed to Israel’s constant rebellion and corrupt heart.
“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.”
Jeremiah 23:16-
The last statement there is the true factor Gods words will always lead people towards repentance and doing good towards those around them honoring Gods Will in our actions and speech . God will always be calling us to good and away from evil always leading us to strive for peace and good and righteousness .
he will always repeat the same warnings regarding sin and repentance because they are true and he knows if we believe his word , it will lead us to repentance and righteousness and life
if the message is “ you don’t have to repent “ God already accepts you no matter what you do now “ he doesn’t expect anything from you you will never be judged or held accountable for your deeds your saved already just be glad ……
this kind of message sounds wonderful and sounds good but it is contrary to the doctrine Jesus taught people and his apostles taught people to believe is the issue to look for
of course there’s some truth to everything “ god accepts sinners up front before they are reformed or before they really do anything just because they believe in him “ that’s actually TRUE . But it’s not the end of the message it’s where it first begins. Those sinners then need to listen to Jesus because they believe so then they learn things about themselves
“But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:13 KJV
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
we should believe this and learn more about it
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
We can then begin to hear the echoing of his call to repentance and understand why the warnings about sin and judgement remain there for the church ….
“I ( Jesus ) say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”
Luke 15:7 KJV
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?”
Romans 2:4 KJV
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-31 KJV
if you look the prophets were always calling the people who would listen to them to repentance and returning them to Gods words. This I think is how to tell when they stert teaching you the “ revelations “ god gave them …..that tell you why those things in scripture aren’t true . But thier mesaage that’s contrary is the one to believe
No, you are inserting the concept of “false prophet” into situations where it simply does not fit.
Giving someone a title doesn’t make someone something they weren’t previously any more than giving them a hamburger makes them a cook. Someone who makes no prophetic claims or pronouncements is not a prophet, false or otherwise.
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With your justification.
Now I can also discern that you are a religious leader with a title given by man.
It is only Gog who elect his own people and not man to chose the people of God.
Even the real disciples of Jesus could not elect God's chosen.
Those who did not choose by God are the False Prophets.
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Another way of the false Prophets.
Anyone who expects something in return for what they do such as, money (even in the form of donation), material things or waiting to be praised them, they are false Prophets.
Because according to our Lord Jesus when sharing the truth there is no such thing in return.
MATTHEW 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Yes, this is what Paul did as a gospel
He preached how he recognized the One True God.
It was by humbling himslef.
Your post bears no resemblance to what is actually stated in/by those verses.
Wrong. Again, you are inserting the concept of “false prophet” into situations where it simply does not fit.
“For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God is concerned?”
1 Corinthians 9:9 NIV
This is the True Gospel of God that Paul preached:
To know the One True God.
ACTS 26:10:18
10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Because only through knowing the One True God can a persons sins be forgiven.
JEREMIAH 31:34
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
With your justification.
Now I can also discern that you are a religious leader with a title given by man.
It is only Gog who elect his own people and not man to chose the people of God.
Even the real disciples of Jesus could not elect God's chosen.
Those who did not choose by God are the False Prophets.
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Another way of the false Prophets.
Anyone who expects something in return for what they do such as, money (even in the form of donation), material things or waiting to be praised them, they are false Prophets.
Because according to our Lord Jesus when sharing the truth there is no such thing in return.
MATTHEW 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
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The real Prophets of God are not full time in sharing the truth.
Jesus being a model (1 Peter 2:21) showed this as an example, for being a carpenter has his profession.
MARK 6:3
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
And Paul followed what Jesus showed.
Paul profession is a Tentmaker.
ACTS 18:1-3
18 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them.3And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
The false Prophets made preaching a profession.
No, the following verses perfectly explain God's gospel, which is that salvation is a completely free gift from an exceedingly merciful and gracious God through Jesus Christ the Savior, unto those whom He had chosen unto salvation. All of the other attributes associated to salvation are given by it and follow from it, to include the knowledge of God. Nothing is dependent upon any actions of man. Read Tit 3:5-6 closely
[Tit 3:5-6 KJV
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[Luk 1:77-78 KJV]
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
I agree more with rogerg than you regarding Paul's gospel. You cite what Luke claimed Paul said, and Luke admitted to being willing to use hearsay. Even worse, Acts has hidden references to so many classical Greek works that it is doubtful that many reported events actually occurred. Such references include writings by Home, Virgil, Euripides and Plato as well as Phrygian legends just to cite a few. And I rather suspect that you do not know your history well enough to catch what appears to be a hint as to dating Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, which if the dating is correct, suggests some inconvenient points about Paul's gospel.
And, no, as a full explanation of what I am referencing would take some 20-30 pages at least to properly present, I am not going to give you details at present, and my publisher would not like such being posted either.
Jeremiah 31:34 is what saved the thief on the right side of Jesus.
LUKE 23:43
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
The real Prophets of God are not accepting of compensation in return when they share the truth.
No money even in the form of donations or love offerings. And most of all they reject honor.
This is why they don't address them Father Peter, Pastor John or Reverend James etc. Because they consider themselves as men living on earth. Those titles should be given only to God.
ACTS 14:1
14 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.
8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
The false Prophets, when they preach they are expecting something in return. It can be in currencies in the form of Donations and love offerings. Most of all they want to be address as Fathers, Pastors, Reverends, Teachers etc.
And so I frequently heard them saying. "We nourish you with the words of God, it is fitting that you also provide for us".
Here is another quality of he real Prophets.
They are not full time in preaching the words of God.
And so they don't ask money from the people. They have their OWN profession for living.
ACTS 20:33-34
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
The false Prophets are full time and depending on people donations for their living. Sometimes by implementing the 10% in literal physical.
I'm not sure if you're on topic or getting away from it. A false prophet gives a prophesy that doesn't materialise, or teaches a false gospel.
I don't agree with using titles Jesus said not to use, adding, changing or taking away from the Bible or being in it for the reward, but I'm not sure that's what you mean. It seems to be an issue with church leaders in general. Could you clarify?
I would be careful there, at least one OT prophet gave a prophesy that did not come to pass as he left out words to the effect that this will come to pass unless.