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So what are you telling us?
That you actually believe (as does @HeIsHere and @ChristRoseFromTheDead )
that the crucifixion per se is the "abomination" spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place?

If even now you remain confused, you had better review my earlier posts on the matter.
No, I don't believe that the crucifixion is the abomination spoken of by Daniel. I clearly did not say that.
I do believe it was the most terrible day in history when our Lord and Savior had all our sins placed on Him and to have died such a horrible, painful death. The worst day in history. Our precious Lord, the Son of God, and passover lamb dying for our sins.
But praise God! He was raised on the Third Day! And someday every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that he is our Lord and Savior forever🧡✝️
 
Because God is greater than the evil ones who committed the abominable crime against God's son that made Jerusalem desolate.

Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient to death--even death on a cross - Philippians 2:8
for the sins of mankind

Had the rulers of this age understood the wisdom of God, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory - 1 Corinthians 2:8

So yes Jesus is greater than satam and his demons

You did understand that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world, right? - 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8
 
You really aren't a very serious student of the word. You just pick and choose stuff that suits your fancy without an honest effort to discern the truth. Jesus had no power to take back his life, but he did have the authority to receive it back because he was sinless. Notice the difference:

Therefore my Father loves me because I lay down my life that I might receive (λαμβάνω) it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority (ἐξουσία) to lay it down, and I have authority (ἐξουσία) to receive (λαμβάνω) it again. This commandment have I received (λαμβάνω) of my Father. John 10:17-18

G2983 λαμβάνω lambano (lam-ɓa'-nō) v.
1. (actively) to take.
2. (passively) to receive.
3. (objectively) to get hold of (with the hand).

G1849 ἐξουσία exousia (e-xou-siy'-a) n.
1. authority, privilege, permission, the right to do something.
You are a sneaky snake or not a very well trained student.


λαβεῖν
labein


to take


V-ANA






Aorist~infinitive~ ACTIVE~~~~To take.....Actively.

labein labein G2983 vn 2 Aor Act TO-BE-GETTING

The Lord Jesus Christ was to be getting His own life.

Did you do that on purpose or are you that ignorant.......It's not looking like the latter.
 
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You did understand that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world, right? - 1 Peter 1:19-20, Revelation 13:8

I disagree with this interpretation. In Revelation it says names are written in the book of life from the foundation of the world

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 17:8

Therefore I believe by applying that same principle to Revelation 13:8 it is correctly translated as:

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the slain lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8
 
I disagree with this interpretation

Of course you do because it's what God said in His Word.

Those being led by spirit guides from the dark side don't accept what God says in His Word.
1 Peter 1:19-20
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God knew before He created the world that Jesus would go to the Cross because God knows the end from the beginning

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure



Very knowledgeable guy. I followed him during the Syrian war.

If you follow him then he must be a pretty slow guy.
 
You are a sneaky snake or not a very well trained student.


λαβεῖν
labein


to take


V-ANA






Aorist~infinitive~ ACTIVE~~~~To take.....Actively.

labein labein G2983 vn 2 Aor Act TO-BE-GETTING

The Lord Jesus Christ was to be getting His own life.

Did you do that on purpose or are you that ignorant.......It's not looking like the latter.
The disciples of Augustin cannot ever win a skirmish let alone the war.
 
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Or could it be "mene mene tekel upharsin" -like how the Persian empire destroyed Babylon?
The writing on the Wall sign was made over the US with three solar eclipses writing out Aleph Tav (Alpha and Omega in Greek). This took place from 2017 to 2024.
 
You are a sneaky snake or not a very well trained student.


λαβεῖν
labein


to take


V-ANA






Aorist~infinitive~ ACTIVE~~~~To take.....Actively.

labein labein G2983 vn 2 Aor Act TO-BE-GETTING

The Lord Jesus Christ was to be getting His own life.

Did you do that on purpose or are you that ignorant.......It's not looking like the latter.

You need to go back and relearn what voice means. In the active voice the subject is doing the action whether that be taking or receiving.

Jesus could not have raised himself from the dead because numerous verses say the father (God) raised him from the dead.
 
Even though He said He did raise Himself from the dead, you are now saying Jesus is a liar yet again?

You should be very concerned about being struck by lightening

Where did he say that? You need to do a word study on the word you think definitively means he raised himself from the dead.
 
You really aren't a very serious student of the word. You just pick and choose stuff that suits your fancy without an honest effort to discern the truth. Jesus had no power to take back his life, but he did have the authority to receive it back because he was sinless. Notice the difference:

Therefore my Father loves me because I lay down my life that I might receive (λαμβάνω) it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority (ἐξουσία) to lay it down, and I have authority (ἐξουσία) to receive (λαμβάνω) it again. This commandment have I received (λαμβάνω) of my Father. John 10:17-18

G2983 λαμβάνω lambano (lam-ɓa'-nō) v.
1. (actively) to take.
2. (passively) to receive.
3. (objectively) to get hold of (with the hand).

G1849 ἐξουσία exousia (e-xou-siy'-a) n.
1. authority, privilege, permission, the right to do something.
Another lame attempt to prop up your Augustinian dogma. Let me show you the legit and accurate exegetical treatment of these crucial passages:

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The Greek term λαβεῖν (labein) is a fundamental verb in the New Testament and classical Greek.

The Core Meaning:​

The root verb is λαμβάνω. In its most basic sense, it means to take, to receive, or to lay hold of. Unlike some verbs that imply a passive receiving (like being handed a gift), lambanō often carries a nuance of active grasping or "taking to oneself."

Grammatical Breakdown: V-2AAN​

Yes, it is absolutely appropriate to say that λαβεῖν (labein) is used in these verses. In fact, it appears three times across these two verses.

In the Greek text of John 10:17–18, the word functions as a "purpose" or "complementary" infinitive, completing the thought of the "power" (exousia) or "intent" (hina) Jesus is describing.

Where it appears in the Greek Text:​


John 10:17


"...because I lay down my life, that I might take (λαβεῖν) it again."


  • Function: Here, it follows the Greek word hina ("in order that"). It explains the purpose of laying down His life—the specific, completed act of taking it back up.

John 10:18 (First instance)


"...I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take (λαβεῖν) it again."


  • Function: It follows exousian echo ("I have power/authority"). It defines exactly what that authority is: the authority to take the life back.

John 10:18 (Second instance)


"This commandment have I received (ἔλαβον) of my Father."


  • Note: This is the same root (lambanō), but it is not the infinitive λαβεῖν. It is elabov, the indicative form ("I received").

Why the distinction matters here​


In John 10:17-18, the use of the Aorist Infinitive (λαβεῖν) rather than a Present Infinitive is significant.


  • The Action: The Aorist indicates a singular, whole event. * The Theology: By using λαβεῖν, the text emphasizes the Resurrection as a specific, decisive act of "taking up" life again. It isn't a long, drawn-out process; it is a definitive exercise of the authority He holds.


  • V (Verb): An action or state of being.
  • 2A (Second Aorist): This is the "past tense" aspect in Greek, but in the infinitive, it refers to a completed, punctiliar action. It treats the action as a single whole rather than an ongoing process.
  • A (Active): The subject performs the action.
  • N (Infinitive): This is the "to" form of the verb (e.g., "to take").

Why the English Equivalent is "To Take" or "To Receive"​


The English equivalent is typically "to take" or "to get," but the specific translation depends on the context of the infinitive's purpose:


1. The Aspect of "Taking" vs. "Receiving"


Because it is in the Active Voice, it implies the subject is the one initiating the action.


  • Active taking: "He wanted to take the book."

A: Active (The Voice)​


This is a massive theological point in John 10.


  • It is Active, meaning the subject (Jesus) is the one performing the action.
  • He isn't just being raised (Passive); He is taking (λαβεῖν) His life back again. It highlights His personal agency and power.
 
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You need to go back and relearn what voice means. In the active voice the subject is doing the action whether that be taking or receiving.

Jesus could not have raised himself from the dead because numerous verses say the father (God) raised him from the dead.
Have you ever heard of the Trinity? I am sure you have.

Must have went in one ear and out the other.
 
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Where did he say that? You need to do a word study on the word you think definitively means he raised himself from the dead..
Of course Jesus raised Himself from the dead. The Greek is IMPECCABLY clear in saying that YES, He certainly raised Himself according to His OWN power and will.

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The code V-2AAN applies perfectly to the word λαβεῖν as it appears in John 10:17 and John 10:18.


When you see that code attached to these specific verses, here is the technical "manual" for what it means in the context of Jesus’ statement:


V: Verb​


It is the action of "taking." It isn't a description or a title; it is the exercise of His will.


2A: Second Aorist (The Aspect)​


This is perhaps the most important part for these verses. The Aorist aspect looks at the action as a "point" rather than a "line."


  • It doesn't describe the process of coming back to life.
  • It describes the fact of the resurrection as a singular, completed event.
  • By using the Aorist, the text focuses on the certainty and totality of Him taking His life back.

A: Active (The Voice)​


This is a massive theological point in John 10.


  • It is Active, meaning the subject (Jesus) is the one performing the action.
  • He isn't just being raised (Passive); He is taking (λαβεῖν) His life back again. It highlights His personal agency and power.

N: Infinitive (The Mood)​


In English, we express this with the word "to."


  • In verse 17: "...that [I might] to take (it) again."
  • In verse 18: "...power to take (it) again."

Why the "2" in 2A?​


Just as a reminder for your notes: the "2" in "Second Aorist" doesn't change the meaning; it just refers to the spelling strategy the word uses.


  • A First Aorist usually adds an "s" sound (like akouō becoming akousai).
  • A Second Aorist (like labein) changes the actual stem of the word (the "body" of the word changes from lamban- to lab-).

In John 10:17–18, "V-2AAN" is the grammatical proof of Christ’s claim to have the active, independent authority to reclaim His life in a single, definitive act.
 
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You are a sneaky snake or not a very well trained student.


λαβεῖν
labein


to take


V-ANA






Aorist~infinitive~ ACTIVE~~~~To take.....Actively.

labein labein G2983 vn 2 Aor Act TO-BE-GETTING

The Lord Jesus Christ was to be getting His own life.

Did you do that on purpose or are you that ignorant.......It's not looking like the latter.
Absolutely correct sir. You are a scholar and gentleman.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

In John 10:17 and 10:18, the word λαβεῖν is precisely an Aorist Active Infinitive.


Why this specific combination is so significant in these verses:​


  • Active: It confirms that Jesus is the agent of the action. He isn't a passive recipient of life being given back to Him; He is actively "taking" it.
  • Aorist: It presents the resurrection not as a process, but as a definite, completed event. It views the "taking again" of His life as a singular victory.
  • Infinitive: It functions as the verbal noun that completes the thought of His "power" (exousia). He has the power to take.

The "Aorist Active" Contrast​


If the writer had wanted to say Jesus was merely being raised by another power, they would have used the Passive voice. By choosing the Active voice (λαβεῖν), the Greek text underscores the unique authority Jesus claims—the ability to act upon His own life.


In the context of your study of these verses, the V-2AAN designation is the technical confirmation of that active, sovereign power.
 
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Another lame attempt to prop up your Augustinian dogma. Let me show you the legit and accurate exegetical treatment of these crucial passages:

+++++++++++++++++++

The Greek term λαβεῖν (labein) is a fundamental verb in the New Testament and classical Greek.

The Core Meaning:​

The root verb is λαμβάνω. In its most basic sense, it means to take, to receive, or to lay hold of. Unlike some verbs that imply a passive receiving (like being handed a gift), lambanō often carries a nuance of active grasping or "taking to oneself."

Grammatical Breakdown: V-2AAN​

Yes, it is absolutely appropriate to say that λαβεῖν (labein) is used in these verses. In fact, it appears three times across these two verses.

In the Greek text of John 10:17–18, the word functions as a "purpose" or "complementary" infinitive, completing the thought of the "power" (exousia) or "intent" (hina) Jesus is describing.

Where it appears in the Greek Text:​


John 10:17





  • Function: Here, it follows the Greek word hina ("in order that"). It explains the purpose of laying down His life—the specific, completed act of taking it back up.

John 10:18 (First instance)





  • Function: It follows exousian echo ("I have power/authority"). It defines exactly what that authority is: the authority to take the life back.

John 10:18 (Second instance)





  • Note: This is the same root (lambanō), but it is not the infinitive λαβεῖν. It is elabov, the indicative form ("I received").

Why the distinction matters here​


In John 10:17-18, the use of the Aorist Infinitive (λαβεῖν) rather than a Present Infinitive is significant.


  • The Action: The Aorist indicates a singular, whole event. * The Theology: By using λαβεῖν, the text emphasizes the Resurrection as a specific, decisive act of "taking up" life again. It isn't a long, drawn-out process; it is a definitive exercise of the authority He holds.


  • V (Verb): An action or state of being.
  • 2A (Second Aorist): This is the "past tense" aspect in Greek, but in the infinitive, it refers to a completed, punctiliar action. It treats the action as a single whole rather than an ongoing process.
  • A (Active): The subject performs the action.
  • N (Infinitive): This is the "to" form of the verb (e.g., "to take").

Why the English Equivalent is "To Take" or "To Receive"​


The English equivalent is typically "to take" or "to get," but the specific translation depends on the context of the infinitive's purpose:


1. The Aspect of "Taking" vs. "Receiving"


Because it is in the Active Voice, it implies the subject is the one initiating the action.


  • Active taking: "He wanted to take the book."

A: Active (The Voice)​


This is a massive theological point in John 10.


  • It is Active, meaning the subject (Jesus) is the one performing the action.
  • He isn't just being raised (Passive); He is taking (λαβεῖν) His life back again. It highlights His personal agency and power.

Which of these is the correct interpretation? This is the same word under discussion

For every one that asketh receiveth (λαμβάνω); and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Matthew 7:8
For every one that asketh taketh (λαμβάνω) ; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Matthew 7:8
Active voice means the subject is doing the action, ie, Jesus is taking or receiving, ie getting.
 
Absolutely correct sir. You are a scholar and gentleman.

+++++++++++++++++++++++

In John 10:17 and 10:18, the word λαβεῖν is precisely an Aorist Active Infinitive.


Why this specific combination is so significant in these verses:​


  • Active: It confirms that Jesus is the agent of the action. He isn't a passive recipient of life being given back to Him; He is actively "taking" it.
  • Aorist: It presents the resurrection not as a process, but as a definite, completed event. It views the "taking again" of His life as a singular victory.
  • Infinitive: It functions as the verbal noun that completes the thought of His "power" (exousia). He has the power to take.

The "Aorist Active" Contrast​


If the writer had wanted to say Jesus was merely being raised by another power, they would have used the Passive voice. By choosing the Active voice (λαβεῖν), the Greek text underscores the unique authority Jesus claims—the ability to act upon His own life.


In the context of your study of these verses, the V-2AAN designation is the technical confirmation of that active, sovereign power.
You nailed it!

It is an indirect truth of the Trinity. God raised Him from the dead.......The Lord Jesus Christ is God.
 
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You need to go back and relearn what voice means. In the active voice the subject is doing the action whether that be taking or receiving.

Jesus could not have raised himself from the dead because numerous verses say the father (God) raised him from the dead.
An apology for your grievous error in this matter is perhaps warranted?
 
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