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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?

I already told you that Jesus is not the father. Whenever NT writers used the term God it is always referring to the father. Does that mean Jesus isn't God? No. It's a great mystery. The invisible father does nothing apart from his visible form, ie, Jesus

 

[Kroogz]

Seems like when their "eschatology"
does not hold up under the scrutiny of scripture,
in desperation other topics are thrown into the ring as a deflection.

Perhaps just easier to admit dispensationalism has been completely manufactured, it is so obvious.

Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?

Yes. Simple. I know you know this.

Nothing but word salad and mumble jumble from @ChristRoseFromTheDead.......Eschatology is one thing, this is a critical matter.

I definitely would be walking on eggshells, even if I agreed with their eschatology.

 

[HeIsHere]

Is the Lord Jesus Christ God?

Yes. Simple. I know you know this.

Nothing but word salad and mumble jumble from @ChristRoseFromTheDead.......Eschatology is one thing, this is a critical matter.

I definitely would be walking on eggshells, even if I agreed with their eschatology.

He and I do not agree on eschatology, but he is not a dispensationalist and for that I am always grateful, dispensationalism is plunging us all into time of horror and no it is not the great tribulation, that makes no biblical sense.

Soon, if we do not change course, we will not be able to proclaim Jesus is God without being jailed or worse.
Do you support that?

 

[ZNP]

Soon, if we do not change course, we will not be able to proclaim Jesus is God without being jailed or worse.
Do you support that?

Soon would refer to the days of Noah, after the removal of the restrainer you will be "jailed or worse" for being a Christian.

Prophecy of Methuselah

"When he dies it shall come" or "his death shall send".

There is a very important prophesy concerning the Days of Noah and therefore concerning the rapture. It is the prophecy of Methuselah, he lived 969 years and died the year of the flood. Now there are two ways to calculate years, generally it is understood that a prophetic year is 360 days, a little shorter than the 365.25 days of our years.

If we subtract 969 years from 2026 we get either 1069 or 1071 depending on which formula we use.

So then what major thing concerning the church was born at that time which would "die" the year the tribulation begins? It turns out that

"Freedom of the church" was first born at that time.

2 Kings 11:1 And when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal. 2 But Jehosheba, the daughter of king Joram, sister of Ahaziah, took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king's sons which were slain; and they hid him, even him and his nurse, in the bedchamber from Athaliah, so that he was not slain. 3 And he was with her hid in the house of the Lord six years. And Athaliah did reign over the land.

Joash a king was hidden for six years, and then brought out to reign when he was seven. In 1077 there was a Papal Bull declaring this doctrine of "freedom of religion": the theory of freedom of religion of ecclesiastical authority of the Catholic Church from secular or the temporal power, that is, the freedom to accomplish its spiritual mission without interference from any secular power. This doctrine existed prior to this Papal Bull, so this might have been born in 1069-1071

Clearly that doctrine of freedom of religion will die when Antichrist is revealed and takes power. If this is the modern analog to Methuselah, then Methuselah being 7 in 1077 fits perfectly with the year of 2026 being the start of the tribulation and the year that the Antichrist is revealed. If freedom of religion has been restraining the Antichrist from being revealed, and if the rapture is "when we go up the fallen angels are sent down" then it makes sense that when the rapture takes place freedom of religion will die, and that will send the judgement.

 

[cv5]

And you're quite wrong about that. God made creation through Christ, who has always been with the father.

Jhn 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jhn 8:59 - Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

[cv5]

I already told you that Jesus is not the father. Whenever NT writers used the term God it is always referring to the father. Does that mean Jesus isn't God? No. It's a great mystery. The invisible father does nothing apart from his visible form, ie, Jesus

"Whenever NT writers used the term God it is always referring to the father."

Absolutely false. And every legit student of Scripture knows why and where it says why.

 

[cv5]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044837507909775830

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2044807346371670146

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2044691779048419599

 

[ZNP]

Amos 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel,

and

they shall build the waste cities,

and

inhabit them;

and

they shall plant vineyards,

and

drink the wine thereof;

they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

And

I will plant them upon their land,

and

they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

No way around this prophecy other than to say this refers to Israel today and cannot refer to any previous time as a fulfillment

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Amos 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
No way around this prophecy other than to say this refers to Israel today and cannot refer to any previous time as a fulfillment

There's no other way to describe this kind of conclusion than unbelief. James said in Acts 15 that this Amos prophecy was being fulfilled before their eyes at that time nearly 2000 years, yet followers of dispensensational skatology don't believe what he said. Obviously the last sentence pertains to the resurrection when all Israel will be restored to the land forever. This prophecy pertains to the faithful remnant that believes, which is why it says in verse 9 that every grain will be sifted out.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

 

[HeIsHere]

Amos 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel,

and

they shall build the waste cities,

and

inhabit them;

and

they shall plant vineyards,

and

drink the wine thereof;

they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

And

I will plant them upon their land,

and

they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

No way around this prophecy other than to say this refers to Israel today and cannot refer to any previous time as a fulfillment

First century and refers to the faithful remnant at that time.

In Christ, the first-century Jewish believers became the foundation of the eternal spiritual Israel—the Church—which can never be uprooted because it is rooted in Jesus Himself, the Eternal Word of God.

As Paul states in Romans 9:6, "Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel," emphasizing that true Israel is spiritual, composed of those who belong to Christ by faith. This highlights the fulfillment of Amos' prophecy in Christ and the Church.

 

[ZNP]

First century and refers to the faithful remnant at that time.

In Christ, the first-century Jewish believers became the foundation of the eternal spiritual Israel—the Church—which can never be uprooted because it is rooted in Jesus Himself, the Eternal Word of God.

As Paul states in Romans 9:6, "Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel," emphasizing that true Israel is spiritual, composed of those who belong to Christ by faith. This highlights the fulfillment of Amos' prophecy in Christ and the Church.

If the first century they were pulled out of the land that God had given them.

Jesus Christ is the land that has been given to the Christians, so there is no "replacement theology" on that promise.

 

[HeIsHere]

Two or three definitely are IMO

The last few days and several posts have affirmed it for me, I can no longer ascribe it to indoctrination.
The accusing rhetoric and the supremacist assertions are extremely worrisome and troubling.
I can certainly understand @Charlesiii need for time away from "Christians" who lack moral clarity.

 

[HeIsHere]

If the first century they were pulled out of the land that God had given them.

Jesus Christ is the land that has been given to the Christians, so there is no "replacement theology" on that promise.

I will go with James who was seeing it fulfilled at the time.

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:32-36)

And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up. That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
(Acts 15:13-17)

The only lens through which to read scripture >>>>> the spiritual restoration of man in Christ.

 

[ZNP]

I will go with James who was seeing it fulfilled at the time.

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we are all witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:32-36)

And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up. That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
(Acts 15:13-17)

The only lens through which to read scripture >>>>> the spiritual restoration of man in Christ.

James is quoting Amos 9, this chapter begins with a discussion of how God is going to punish Israel, He will sift them among all the nations, and this supports Paul's interpretation that the gospel is to go to the Gentiles, which is what the debate was over. So when Acts 15 quotes James saying "After this" he is referring to the Jews being sifted among the Nations and the gospel going to the nations. He is saying "after the age of grace". This is precisely what has happened. Israel was in ruins for 2,000 years and now it has been rebuilt. The tabernacle of David has been raised again, July of 2025 they sacrificed the Red Heifer according to the law in the Torah which requires the Tabernacle to be raised first. Then, the verses in Amos 9 after the ones that James quotes are the ones I quoted saying that God will never again remove them from the land. The church age began with the gospel going to the Gentiles, Paul discovered this, Peter backed it up and James confirmed it. Then the church age concludes with Israel being brought back, built up, and never leaving again.

No scripture is of a private interpretation. This intepretation agrees with Amos 9, and with Acts 15 and with the book of Roman and with the book of Revelation. It agrees with current events as well as events during the first century.

 

[cv5]

There's no other way to describe this kind of conclusion than unbelief. James said in Acts 15 that this Amos prophecy was being fulfilled before their eyes at that time nearly 2000 years, yet followers of dispensensational skatology don't believe what he said. Obviously the last sentence pertains to the resurrection when all Israel will be restored to the land forever. This prophecy pertains to the faithful remnant that believes, which is why it says in verse 9 that every grain will be sifted out.

Much to your horror and chagrin, Jesus Messiah the I AM, the Kinsman Redeemer will in fact redeem the Nation Israel and RESTORE the kingdom to Israel DESPITE their failings.

Because that just happens to be His specialty. You know.....forgiving transgressions and sins for those who call on His Name and ask Him for it.

Let the weeping and gnashing of teeth by the replacement theology crowd commence!

Joe 3:20
But Judah shall abide forever,
And Jerusalem from generation to generation.

Zec 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

Zec 2:12
And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

Isa 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Isa 65:18
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.

Isa 65:19
I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.

Isa 65:20
“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Isa 65:21
They shall build houses and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

 

[cv5]

First century and refers to the faithful remnant at that time.

In Christ, the first-century Jewish believers became the foundation of the eternal spiritual Israel—the Church—which can never be uprooted because it is rooted in Jesus Himself, the Eternal Word of God.

As Paul states in Romans 9:6, "Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel," emphasizing that true Israel is spiritual, composed of those who belong to Christ by faith. This highlights the fulfillment of Amos' prophecy in Christ and the Church.

"eternal spiritual Israel—the Church"

Gentiles believers are the Bride, the antitype of Ruth and Asenath.
And NEVER, not once, are gentile believers in the NT denoted as Israelites.

Futhermore, in the Book of Revelation, the DISTINCTION between gentiles and Israelites could not possible be more stark.
Oh and BTW, the Church per se is ABSENT from chapters 6 thru 18.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No scripture is of a private interpretation. This intepretation agrees with Amos 9, and with Acts 15 and with the book of Roman and with the book of Revelation. It agrees with current events as well as events during the first century.

No it really doesn't. It's grasping at straws. The Amos prophecy is not to chopped up into pieces to suit the needs of your unspiritual interpretations based on the doctrine of the pharisees.