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Is God Male or Female?​

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.​

by Simon Turpin on February 2, 2021

Is God Male or Female?

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.

answersingenesis.org

In teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus said, “Our Mother in heaven….”1 No, wait, that’s not what he said! Today, however, there are some people who think it is.
The gender revolution that has been taking place in our culture for the last sixty years is not only impacting how people view themselves but also how they view God. A lot of contemporary theology has seen Christian organizations,2 feminist theologians,3 and cultic groups4 use feminine language to refer to God. After all, it is argued, the Bible uses feminine imagery to refer to God, so it must be fine to refer to God as Mother. This is why it is important to look at the unchanging Word of God rather than the ever-changing opinion of man to see how God refers to himself. Before we go on, it is important to note that this question is not about the equality of men and women. Both are made in God’s image and are therefore equal (Genesis 1:27). Rather, it is about who gets to decide how we speak about God and how we address him in prayer: people or God?
It is important to remember the Bible is God-breathed (theopneustos) and, therefore, the words that are used to describe God are his own (2 Timothy 3:16).5

God is not bound by culture (1 Peter 1:24–25) as he can come in the midst of any culture and communicate his truth from Genesis to Revelation. God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation in predominately male terms
Those who believe it is ok to describe God in feminine terms refer to passages in the Bible that use feminine or maternal images for God: a woman in labor (Isaiah 42:14), a nursing mother (Isaiah 49:15), a comforting mother (Isaiah 66:13), or as a mother bear (Hosea 13:8)
Another way people see a feminine component in God is the use of feminine nouns;
such as the Hebrew word for “spirit” (rûach) and “wisdom” (ḥākmâ, Proverbs 8:1). But feminine nouns in no way mean that the spirit is a feminine person.

The equivalent term in Greek for spirit, pneuma, is neuter (i.e., no gender). Moreover, in Genesis 1:2, “spirit” is modified by the masculine noun “God” (ʾĕlōhîm), just as in the New Testament (cf. Acts 5:3—4). There are even times when “spirit” (rûach) behaves as a masculine noun, especially when it occurs as part of the phrase “Spirit of the LORD” (rûaḥ YHWH) (see 2 Kings 2:16; cf. 1 Kings 18:12, 22:24). There is no evidence that the spirit of God is feminine
The simple reason why we should not speak of God as female (i.e., “our Mother”) is that this is not the way God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation.

God has chosen to reveal himself in predominately male terms and specifically as a male in the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, the last Adam.

And that is the way we should speak to God and about God to others.

 

[themessenger]

Can the Bible Be Considered “Sinful”?

A Theological Exploration of Scripture’s Humanity, Gendered Language, and Limitations

Introduction

Christians often affirm that the Bible is perfect, infallible, or without error. Yet the Bible itself insists that every human being is sinful — including the prophets, apostles, and writers who produced Scripture. This creates a profound theological tension:

If the Bible was written by sinners, can the Bible itself be considered “sinful” in any meaningful sense?

This article does not claim the Bible is morally corrupt or spiritually harmful. Instead, it explores how Scripture’s human authorship, cultural limitations, gendered metaphors, and linguistic constraints shape the text we call sacred. It argues that the Bible is not divine in itself but a human witness to the divine — a witness marked by the same limitations that mark all human expression.

To understand this, we must examine not only what the Bible says, but what it does not say; not only what it reveals, but what it cannot reveal; not only its truths, but its silences.

1. The Bible Declares That All Humans Are Sinners — Including Its Authors

Two foundational verses make the issue unavoidable:

- “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23)
- “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.” (1 John 1:8)

These verses apply universally:

- prophets
- apostles
- kings
- priests
- scribes
- evangelists
- and every biblical author

Scripture never carves out an exception for the people who wrote it.

Other passages reinforce this:

- “There is no one on earth who is righteous… and never sins.” (Ecclesiastes 7:20)
- “Who can discern their own errors?” (Psalm 19:12)
- “The heart is deceitful above all things.” (Jeremiah 17:9)
- “I spoke of things I did not understand.” (Job 42:3)

If the authors were sinners, then their writings — however inspired — bear the marks of human limitation.

2. Human Limitation Shapes Scripture — Not Because God Is Limited, But Because Humans Are

Christian theology teaches that sin affects:

- motives
- perceptions
- memory
- culture
- language
- worldview
- interpretation
- moral judgment

Thus, biblical authors wrote from within:

- limited understanding
- cultural bias
- imperfect moral frameworks
- incomplete knowledge
- personal flaws

Paul admits this openly:

“For we know in part and we prophesy in part.” (1 Corinthians 13:9)

Job 11:7–9 deepens the point: no human can grasp the fullness of God.

Together, these texts form a unified witness:

- Job: We cannot know the depths of God.
- Paul: Even when we speak for God, we only know in part.

Scripture is shaped by partial human perception — not because God is small, but because humans are.

3. The Gender of God: A Central Example of Scripture’s Humanity and Limitation

One of the clearest demonstrations of Scripture’s human limitation is its gendered language for God.

Many Christians assume God is exclusively masculine because Scripture frequently uses masculine titles such as “Father,” “Lord,” and “King.” Yet the Bible itself presents a far more expansive picture — one that transcends the patriarchal cultures in which it was written.

3.1 Genesis 1: The Divine Image Is Male and Female Together

Genesis 1 declares:

“God created the human in His image… male and female He created them.”

The imago Dei is not located in the male alone, nor in the female alone, but in the union and equality of both together. If humanity reflects God, and humanity exists as male and female, then God must transcend and encompass both.

A masculine-only view of God is already a reduction of the biblical witness.

3.2 Scripture Freely Uses Feminine Imagery for God

The Bible is not embarrassed by feminine metaphors:

- God as a woman in labor (Isa. 42:14)
- God as a nursing mother (Isa. 49:15)
- God as a mother eagle (Deut. 32:11)
- God as a woman searching for her lost coin (Luke 15:8–10)
- God’s compassion (rachamim) rooted in the Hebrew word for womb (rechem)
- The Spirit (Ruach) is grammatically feminine
- Wisdom (Chokmah, Sophia) is feminine

These images reveal that God is not male — God is beyond gender, expressed through both.

3.3 Patriarchal Culture Shaped Biblical Language

The predominance of masculine metaphors reflects:

- ancient patriarchal norms
- male-dominated authorship
- cultural assumptions about authority
- linguistic limitations

This is not a flaw in God.
It is a limitation of human culture.

The Bible’s gendered language is one of the clearest examples of how Scripture bears the marks of human sinfulness — not moral evil, but cultural partiality.

3.4 The Theological Implication

When male and female stand together — equal, interdependent, mutually honoring — they reveal something about God that neither can reveal alone.

The masculine without the feminine becomes domination.
The feminine without the masculine becomes erasure.
Together, they reflect the relational fullness of the divine.

Recovering the feminine dimensions of God is not innovation.
It is restoration — a return to Genesis 1.

This becomes a central pillar of the article’s thesis:
If Scripture’s portrayal of God is shaped by human limitation, then Scripture itself cannot be exempt from the condition of humanity.

4. Translation: Where Human Limitation Becomes Visible

Every English Bible is an interpretation.
Every translation is a series of human decisions.

Hebrew and Greek words rarely have exact English equivalents:

- nephesh ≠ “soul”
- aionios ≠ “eternal”
- sheol ≠ “hell”

Translators bring:

- theology
- tradition
- denominational bias
- cultural assumptions

Thus, translation becomes part of Scripture’s humanity.

5. The Bible Contains the Marks of Human Sinfulness

Even conservative scholars acknowledge that Scripture contains:

- contradictions
- tensions
- differing theologies
- patriarchal structures
- violent narratives
- ancient scientific worldviews

These reflect human limitation, not divine flaw.

Examples include:

- war captives (Deut. 21:10–14)
- slave beating (Ex. 21:20–21)
- genocide commands (1 Sam. 15:3)
- Paul’s appeal to cultural norms as “nature” (1 Cor. 11:14)

These texts reveal ancient moral frameworks, not eternal divine ideals.

6. The Bible’s Silences Reveal Its Humanity

Scripture is nearly silent on:

- human rights
- racial equality
- consent
- childhood protection
- trauma
- patriarchy as sinful
- ecological responsibility

These silences are not divine omissions.
They are human omissions.

A perfect book would not be silent where justice demands speech.
A human book often is.

7. Revelation Is Progressive, Not Static

Jesus corrects earlier Scripture:
“You have heard it said… but I say to you…” (Matt. 5)

Peter admits he misunderstood God’s will (Acts 10:28).
Paul calls the law a temporary guardian (Gal. 3:24–25).

The Bible itself testifies that revelation unfolds — meaning earlier texts were incomplete, culturally bound, and morally limited.

8. A Theological Case for Calling the Bible “Sinful”

If:

1. All humans are sinners
2. All biblical authors were human
3. Everything humans create bears the marks of sin

Then the Bible — as a human creation — bears the marks of sin.

Not moral corruption.
Human limitation.

The Bible is “sinful” the way:

- the church is sinful
- Christian leaders are sinful
- Christian tradition is sinful

All are touched by human fallenness.

9. The Paradox: A Sin-Marked Book That Reveals a Sinless God

This is the beauty of Christian theology:

God speaks through sinful people.
God works through sinful history.
God reveals truth through imperfect vessels.

If God can speak through:

- Moses the murderer
- David the adulterer
- Jonah the rebel
- Peter the denier
- Paul the persecutor
- A donkey
- Jars of clay

Then God can speak through a sin-marked book.

The Bible’s humanity does not diminish God’s message.
It magnifies God’s willingness to enter human brokenness.

Conclusion

Can the Bible be considered “sinful”?
In a meaningful theological sense, yes — because it is a product of sinful human beings, shaped by their limitations, cultures, imperfections, and silences.

But this is not a threat to Christian faith.
It is the heart of Christian faith:

God speaks through the imperfect.
God heals through the broken.
God reveals truth through the human.

The Bible is not powerful because its authors were perfect. It is powerful because God meets humanity in its imperfection — male and female, flawed and finite, yet still capable of bearing the divine image.

 

[rewriter]

themessenger ---maybe take the time to read this ------​

I just posted some ---read all at link given

​

Is God Male or Female?​

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.​

by Simon Turpin on February 2, 2021

Is God Male or Female?

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.

answersingenesis.org

In teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus said, “Our Mother in heaven….”1 No, wait, that’s not what he said! Today, however, there are some people who think it is.
The gender revolution that has been taking place in our culture for the last sixty years is not only impacting how people view themselves but also how they view God. A lot of contemporary theology has seen Christian organizations,2 feminist theologians,3 and cultic groups4 use feminine language to refer to God. After all, it is argued, the Bible uses feminine imagery to refer to God, so it must be fine to refer to God as Mother. This is why it is important to look at the unchanging Word of God rather than the ever-changing opinion of man to see how God refers to himself. Before we go on, it is important to note that this question is not about the equality of men and women. Both are made in God’s image and are therefore equal (Genesis 1:27). Rather, it is about who gets to decide how we speak about God and how we address him in prayer: people or God?
It is important to remember the Bible is God-breathed (theopneustos) and, therefore, the words that are used to describe God are his own (2 Timothy 3:16).5

God is not bound by culture (1 Peter 1:24–25) as he can come in the midst of any culture and communicate his truth from Genesis to Revelation. God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation in predominately male terms
Those who believe it is ok to describe God in feminine terms refer to passages in the Bible that use feminine or maternal images for God: a woman in labor (Isaiah 42:14), a nursing mother (Isaiah 49:15), a comforting mother (Isaiah 66:13), or as a mother bear (Hosea 13:8)
Another way people see a feminine component in God is the use of feminine nouns;
such as the Hebrew word for “spirit” (rûach) and “wisdom” (ḥākmâ, Proverbs 8:1). But feminine nouns in no way mean that the spirit is a feminine person.

The equivalent term in Greek for spirit, pneuma, is neuter (i.e., no gender). Moreover, in Genesis 1:2, “spirit” is modified by the masculine noun “God” (ʾĕlōhîm), just as in the New Testament (cf. Acts 5:3—4). There are even times when “spirit” (rûach) behaves as a masculine noun, especially when it occurs as part of the phrase “Spirit of the LORD” (rûaḥ YHWH) (see 2 Kings 2:16; cf. 1 Kings 18:12, 22:24). There is no evidence that the spirit of God is feminine
The simple reason why we should not speak of God as female (i.e., “our Mother”) is that this is not the way God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation.

God has chosen to reveal himself in predominately male terms and specifically as a male in the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, the last Adam.

And that is the way we should speak to God and about God to others.

Your citing of 2 Timothy 3:16 is a literal translation of the Greek words used, but unfortunately as all other uses of this term that we are currently aware of, are derived from Paul's original comment and thus not good guidelines. There is no certainly about what Paul meant. In trying to get around this problem, it might be beneficial to examine what terms were used with regards to scripture prior to this statement. However, if one digs too deeply on this point, it can be disturbing.

As for Jesus referring to God in male terms, at the time, it was, while not the exclusive way to reference God, but it was the predominate one. Jesus might simply have been following custom.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

But why do Christians refer to God in masculine terms like father, he, and him. You may think that I'm in violation of the scripture, but does not the scripture say in "Job 33:12 God is greater than man." And nowhere in the Bible are we commended to use male imagery for God. But Christians often use Masculine imagery for God and they believe they are paying respect. But in actuality they are just taking God's name in vain literally. And if I'm wrong just tell me the scripture that tells us that we should refer to God in the masculine sense. Anything. Take a look at some of the original translations of the Greek and Hebrew scriptures and you will see how translation has made its own interpretations over time. But again I just say show me the scripture and I will believe

The sons of men are those born to a male and female who have the breath of life in their nostril, not to be confused with those who were born from the bowels of Abraham.

So I am sure it would offend your natural sensibilities for someone to refer unto the Holy Ghost as their "Father", since that would contradict the law of truth in your opinion which prohibits the making of a graven image of the Holy Ghost, in the likeness any male or female etc. lest they corrupt themselves. Once a man corrupts themselves their spirit becomes full of dry bones and they begin sowing corruption.

The Holy Ghost did not create Man and Woman, the earth brought forth the moving creatures in the waters and dry land that had the breath of life in their nostrils, male and female.

The Holy Ghost made the Woman (the male and female whom he had joined together) who was brought forth by the word that the man (male or female) and their helpmate shall be one flesh.

The truth, does not contradict the law of truth; therefore if the Holy Ghost is your Father then referring unto him in the masculine sense and as your Father does not equate to making him into graven image of a male and female- Woman.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

These reflect human limitation, not divine flaw.

Examples include:

- war captives (Deut. 21:10–14)
- slave beating (Ex. 21:20–21)
- genocide commands (1 Sam. 15:3)
- Paul’s appeal to cultural norms as “nature” (1 Cor. 11:14)

That is the problems with your copyrighted Bibles that have changed words and meanings around so that they can obtain their copyright. It is interesting to note how the copyrighted Bibles change the translation in select verses while allowing other verse to remain unchanged.

Even still, that is no excuse since it is not that which goes into a man that defiles him but what proceeds forth from a man is what defiles him.

The principle written with the scriptures allow for a man to sell his labor as a servant to the buyer. A person is allowed to purchase the labor of the servant. Merely because the servant is the then obligated to work for the the man doesn't infer the man has is right to physically harm the servant.

The scripture you quotes in Exodus holds that if the man strikes his servant, if the servant dies the man will be punished, life shall go for life. If the servant does not die, the man will not be punished but the servant shall go out free from him with his money.

Of course if you had read Ex 21:16, "And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. " then it would be obviously be understood that you can't buy the services of a slave, being a person whose liberty was stolen from them.

 

[themessenger]

themessenger ---maybe take the time to read this ------​

I just posted some ---read all at link given

​

Is God Male or Female?​

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.​

by Simon Turpin on February 2, 2021

Is God Male or Female?

An overview of God revealed as a male in Scripture and a critique of feminist biblical revisionism.

answersingenesis.org

In teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus said, “Our Mother in heaven….”1 No, wait, that’s not what he said! Today, however, there are some people who think it is.
The gender revolution that has been taking place in our culture for the last sixty years is not only impacting how people view themselves but also how they view God. A lot of contemporary theology has seen Christian organizations,2 feminist theologians,3 and cultic groups4 use feminine language to refer to God. After all, it is argued, the Bible uses feminine imagery to refer to God, so it must be fine to refer to God as Mother. This is why it is important to look at the unchanging Word of God rather than the ever-changing opinion of man to see how God refers to himself. Before we go on, it is important to note that this question is not about the equality of men and women. Both are made in God’s image and are therefore equal (Genesis 1:27). Rather, it is about who gets to decide how we speak about God and how we address him in prayer: people or God?
It is important to remember the Bible is God-breathed (theopneustos) and, therefore, the words that are used to describe God are his own (2 Timothy 3:16).5

God is not bound by culture (1 Peter 1:24–25) as he can come in the midst of any culture and communicate his truth from Genesis to Revelation. God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation in predominately male terms
Those who believe it is ok to describe God in feminine terms refer to passages in the Bible that use feminine or maternal images for God: a woman in labor (Isaiah 42:14), a nursing mother (Isaiah 49:15), a comforting mother (Isaiah 66:13), or as a mother bear (Hosea 13:8)
Another way people see a feminine component in God is the use of feminine nouns;
such as the Hebrew word for “spirit” (rûach) and “wisdom” (ḥākmâ, Proverbs 8:1). But feminine nouns in no way mean that the spirit is a feminine person.

The equivalent term in Greek for spirit, pneuma, is neuter (i.e., no gender). Moreover, in Genesis 1:2, “spirit” is modified by the masculine noun “God” (ʾĕlōhîm), just as in the New Testament (cf. Acts 5:3—4). There are even times when “spirit” (rûach) behaves as a masculine noun, especially when it occurs as part of the phrase “Spirit of the LORD” (rûaḥ YHWH) (see 2 Kings 2:16; cf. 1 Kings 18:12, 22:24). There is no evidence that the spirit of God is feminine
The simple reason why we should not speak of God as female (i.e., “our Mother”) is that this is not the way God has chosen to reveal himself to his creation.

God has chosen to reveal himself in predominately male terms and specifically as a male in the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, the last Adam.

And that is the way we should speak to God and about God to others.

Yeah just tell me what verse says that you have to refer to God in a masculine sense. And if God is meant to be referred to in only or specifically the masculine sense that means the places that refer to God in the feminine sense are wrong or untrue.

 

[God-fearing]

Yeah just tell me what verse says that you have to refer to God in a masculine sense. And if God is meant to be referred to in only or specifically the masculine sense that means the places that refer to God in the feminine sense are wrong or untrue.

God is a spirit which to our understanding has no gender. How are we to relate to such a thing? God created male and female but in different ways. Adam from dust eve from Adam. The two shall become one.....bone of my bone ...flesh of my flesh..
The attributes of God are found in both yet when the word became flesh....the expressed image of God he chose to be a son and male.
This is the second Adam.
Eve was created to be a helper to Adam having the same authority over the garden but not to act on her own.
Which ended in her conversation with the serpent. Speaking on behalf of both her and adam.

 

[themessenger]

God is a spirit which to our understanding has no gender. How are we to relate to such a thing? God created male and female but in different ways. Adam from dust eve from Adam. The two shall become one.....bone of my bone ...flesh of my flesh..
The attributes of God are found in both yet when the word became flesh....the expressed image of God he chose to be a son and male.
This is the second Adam.
Eve was created to be a helper to Adam having the same authority over the garden but not to act on her own.
Which ended in her conversation with the serpent. Speaking on behalf of both her and adam.

And in the world where everything is going wrong, we couldn't be wrong about something like this. May the Almighty bless you sister

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Yeah just tell me what verse says that you have to refer to God in a masculine sense. And if God is meant to be referred to in only or specifically the masculine sense that means the places that refer to God in the feminine sense are wrong or untrue.

It's not done anywhere in the bible, but pagan cultures do it frequently. You don't have to use gender at all to refer to God, but referring to God as she seems unwise and a snare

 

[themessenger]

I just believe that I'm on to something. You see
Christians often imagine “taking the Lord’s name in vain” as saying a curse word, but in Scripture the commandment is far deeper and far more serious. In Exodus 20:7, the Hebrew phrase laśśāw’ (“in vain”) means emptily, falsely, or in a way that misrepresents God’s character. The commandment is about misusing God’s identity, not merely misusing God’s syllables. When Christians attach God’s name to ideas, systems, or behaviors that contradict who God is, they violate the commandment even if they never utter a single profanity.

This happens whenever Christians speak about God in ways that distort God’s character—using God’s name to justify exclusion, fear, nationalism, patriarchy, or any agenda that shrinks the divine into something God is not. It happens when people claim “God says” or “God wants” in order to defend their own preferences. It happens when Christians invoke God’s authority to silence others, to elevate their group over another, or to protect traditions that contradict the spirit of Christ. In all these cases, the issue is not language but misrepresentation. The commandment warns that God’s name must never be used as a tool, a weapon, or a disguise for human agendas. To do so is to take the Lord’s name in vain—not by swearing, but by speaking falsely about the One whose name we bear.

 

[God-fearing]

I just believe that I'm on to something. You see
Christians often imagine “taking the Lord’s name in vain” as saying a curse word, but in Scripture the commandment is far deeper and far more serious. In Exodus 20:7, the Hebrew phrase laśśāw’ (“in vain”) means emptily, falsely, or in a way that misrepresents God’s character. The commandment is about misusing God’s identity, not merely misusing God’s syllables. When Christians attach God’s name to ideas, systems, or behaviors that contradict who God is, they violate the commandment even if they never utter a single profanity.

This happens whenever Christians speak about God in ways that distort God’s character—using God’s name to justify exclusion, fear, nationalism, patriarchy, or any agenda that shrinks the divine into something God is not. It happens when people claim “God says” or “God wants” in order to defend their own preferences. It happens when Christians invoke God’s authority to silence others, to elevate their group over another, or to protect traditions that contradict the spirit of Christ. In all these cases, the issue is not language but misrepresentation. The commandment warns that God’s name must never be used as a tool, a weapon, or a disguise for human agendas. To do so is to take the Lord’s name in vain—not by swearing, but by speaking falsely about the One whose name we beAdam.

God gave all authority to Jesus....Jesus in turn gave us this authority. I agree this is not to be abused as some do.
We are commanded to preach and teach God's truth and for those who do teach and preach the truth it will offend one way or another.
If the word of God offends you better check yourself for God changes not.
Gods word is the sword of truth cutting right down to the marrow of the bone. The good news is he is forgiving and is able to replace and restore. Question is are all willing to repent and trust.

By the way I am a male not sister.

 

[rewriter]

It's not done anywhere in the bible, but pagan cultures do it frequently. You don't have to use gender at all to refer to God, but referring to God as she seems unwise and a snare

You are treading a very fine line with your comments. Wisdom in Proverbs is identified as female and as the first entity created. Other Jewish literature links Wisdom and God's Logos or Word. And God uses feminine illustrations for how He cares for His people Isaiah 49:15 uses the image of a mother's unlikely forgetting her child, yet God is even less likely to forget, and Jesus uses the imagery of a mother hen.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You are treading a very fine line with your comments. Wisdom in Proverbs is identified as female and as the first entity created. Other Jewish literature links Wisdom and God's Logos or Word. And God uses feminine illustrations for how He cares for His people Isaiah 49:15 uses the image of a mother's unlikely forgetting her child, yet God is even less likely to forget, and Jesus uses the imagery of a mother hen.

Wisdom is of God, but it is not God. We don't worship the spirit of God; we worship God in his spirit.

 

[rewriter]

Wisdom is of God, but it is not God. We don't worship the spirit of God; we worship God in his spirit.

If Wisdom is God's Logos, as is a reasonable speculation based on late BCE/early CE writings, then Wisdom is God. The Logos clearly became male only after Jesus was so recognized.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If Wisdom is God's Logos, as is a reasonable speculation based on late BCE/early CE writings, then Wisdom is God. The Logos clearly became male only after Jesus was so recognized.

If you're referring to apocryphal or gnostic stuff I'm not interested

 

[studentoftheword]

Yeah just tell me what verse says that you have to refer to God in a masculine sense.

BINGO _______

Well here are some scriptures ------First we need to clear up what ask means in the Greek in the scripture ---so there is no questioning about it ----

And the only way to communicate to God is through Prayer ------Right ----

Greek word to ASK means ------

Lexical Summary
erótaó: To ask, to request , pray

themessenger​

The first scripture here is admmit ---You Must Always ------can't get any clearer than that


3 Nephi 18:19 (LDS): "Therefore ye must always pray unto the Father in my name"

John 15:16 (ESV): "...so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you".

John 16:23 (ESV): "...Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you".

Matthew 6:6​

But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

So better Pray to the Father ======I say -----

 

[themessenger]

Wisdom is of God, but it is not God. We don't worship the spirit of God; we worship God in his spirit.

It's amazing how you know God's limits. When we are told in job 11:7-9
“Can you find out the deep things of God?
Can you find out the limit of the Almighty?
It is higher than heaven—what can you do?
Deeper than Sheol—what can you know?
Its measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea.”
The prophets didn't even know the limits to God as they were writing about God. For "all knew in part and all prophecied in part" or is Paul a liar too.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's amazing how you know God's limits. When we are told in job 11:7-9
“Can you find out the deep things of God?
Can you find out the limit of the Almighty?
It is higher than heaven—what can you do?
Deeper than Sheol—what can you know?
Its measure is longer than the earth and broader than the sea.”
The prophets didn't even know the limits to God as they were writing about God. For "all knew in part and all prophecied in part" or is Paul a liar too.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1 Corinthians 2:9-12​

 

[Suze]

We are not limiting God by masculine pronouns and names and titles because the Bible tells us of God's attributes of being both strong and nurturing.

It is in the Bible of God's traits so what is the confusion.

Gender is only according to the flesh.

In the spiritual realm there is no gender.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

The authority structure of God on earth.

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

In the Lord there is no difference between male and female.

The only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh.

The spirit and soul is the same.

When they put off the flesh and have a glorified body there is no difference because the glorified body is the same.

Which they will be like the angels which the angels have no gender.

But the angels are known by masculine pronouns and names because they are greater than humans.

How much more would God be known by masculine pronouns and names who is the greatest of all.

Male humans have masculine pronouns and names.

Do you think God who is the greatest of all will be called she and Susan.

That is not respect.

Pronouns and names and titles mean something and God is not going to have those things in a feminine sense.

God made females weaker and men stronger for a reason so He is not going to identify with feminine pronouns and names and titles.

Shall God have pronouns and names and titles inferior to a male human.

He, Father, and the such is the respectful way because God is the greatest of all.

I do not believe God has a gender because He is a Spirit but He has to be addressed by masculine pronouns and names and titles.

Someone could say God has male and female traits but Jesus is God manifest in flesh the express image of God which both male and female are supposed to be both strong and nurturing.

Strength and nurturing are not reserved for any one sex but they are both to be like that.

Jesus was both strong, bold, and nurturing, and compassionate.

So there is no male and female traits in God but one trait which applies to both sexes.

There is no gender in the spiritual realm so there is no male and female traits but one trait which is bold and compassionate.

Very well put , thank you for that

 

[rewriter]

If you're referring to apocryphal or gnostic stuff I'm not interested

I am referencing recognized scripture, but I doubt you are interested anyway.