Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[Gideon300]

Not true in so many respects !
Show us a quote saying this ..

"As during the typical Day of Atonement the cleansing of the earthly sanctuary removed the sins accumulated there, so the heavenly sanctuary is cleansed by the final removal of the record of sins in the heavenly books. But before the records are finally cleared, they will be examined to determine who through repentance and faith in Christ is entitled to enter His eternal kingdom. The cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary, therefore involves a work of investigation or judgment that reflects the nature of the Day of Atonement as a day of judgment. This judgment, which ratifies the decision as to who will be saved and who will be lost..."

This is taken from "The Great Controversy".

According to EG White, no one is assured of salvation because God determines their worthiness apart from the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary.

According to EG White, God forgives sins but does not erase them until the investigative judgement. This is a direct contradiction of scripture.

"The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement."
Ellen G. White, Patriarchs & Prophets, pg. 357 (PP 357.5)

"Then He (the Holy Spirit) adds: 'Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.'" Hebrews 10:17

"....having blotted out the handwriting in the decrees against us, which was adverse to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross." Colossians 2:14

".......how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!" Hebrews 9:14

“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are as red as crimson, they will become like wool." Isaiah 1:18

 

[Inquisitor]

You ARE Right ...
Forgive me for saying that you were being "deceptive" on THIS point,

Miller's understanding of the date being October 22, 1843, being a disappointment, was not as "Great" as the disappointment of getting the correct date of 1844 fulfillment of Daniel 8:14, being not of Christ's Second Coming, but of His moving, from the Holy place, to the MOST Holy place in the Sanctuary Message.

This "disappointment" seems to be a "type" of the disappointment that Apostles and Disciples of Christ when through when Jesus was Crucified and died, before he showed Himself, Alive Again ! Illustrated by Jesus walking and talking with two men on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24:13–35

Let me clarify your above statements so the audience is not confused {deceived} on the validity of the Millerite message, proclaiming the fulfillment and culmination of the 2300 year prophecy of Daniel 8:14-15.

But .. ! This will hafta wait till this evening, cuz I gotta minister somewhere else this Sabbath ...
SO ! ... Until then ...

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Can you explain the following feast shown below.

John 10:22
At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in
the temple in the portico of Solomon.

Do you understand why the Jews celebrated this feast?

 

[Mem]

Symbolism is used throughout scripture and it's often our own minds speaking to us in dreams. You prob know that.

Could be that the color red is significant and the size of the balloons but you don't have to be Joseph to point that out. I have a few dreams that I know were more than just dreams or my very active imagination that I do not forget. One in particular that occurred after the death of my grandfather.

Is it ok to ask what you think is the meaning?

I've come to associate red as indicative of salvation. My balloon started out the color and same size as those that I gave to my mother, but mine grew because I believed it was 'for me.' That is, I couldn't give her my balloon even though I wanted to, and all the balloons that I did give her, although she accepted them, it seemed she was just taking them and holding them for 'someone else.'
And so, it especially bothers me when I've noticed that someone has adopted this, "I didn't do anything for this gift" sort of 'humility.'

 

[Mem]

And so, it especially bothers me when I've noticed that someone has adopted this, "I didn't do anything for this gift" sort of 'humility.'

That is, rather than displaying the correct form of humility in saying, "Thank You for this gift," they insist that they must do something in order to be 'worthy' of it. But this attitude falls somewhere between(?) thankless and graceless. It's an outlier at any rate, even if it does 'seem right.'

 

[BBerean]

Galatians 3 : 19 Wherefore then serveth the law ? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made …

The sabbath was created on the seventh day . It was added to the law because God saw it was being transgressed against.
Here is a question to consider, does taking away the law stop transgression of the Sabbath that was from the seventh day ? Some claim they are in a perpetual sabbath rest in Christ . I’m ok with that but the seven day week did not disappear either . I can’t afford like most people to practice the Sabbath every day . Love the thought though!

 

[Mem]

Galatians 3 : 19 Wherefore then serveth the law ? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made …

The sabbath was created on the seventh day . It was added to the law because God saw it was being transgressed against.
Here is a question to consider, does taking away the law stop transgression of the Sabbath that was from the seventh day ? Some claim they are in a perpetual sabbath rest in Christ . I’m ok with that but the seven day week did not disappear either . I can’t afford like most people to practice the Sabbath every day . Love the thought though!

At least you keep it perfectly every week, right? You never do anything to profane it, right?

 

[BBerean]

At least you keep it perfectly every week, right? You never do anything to profane it, right?

I do keep it , and have been blessed for it as well . I only learned it by reading the Bible . There is only 1 lords day , it’s the Sabbath according to all Scriptures . Apostle John acknowledged the Lords day in Revelation 1 :10 he did not say it was any specific day because they all knew at that time the Sabbath is the Lords day . Just an example of truth . The truth shall set us free ! Amen

 

[Mem]

I do keep it , and have been blessed for it as well . I only learned it by reading the Bible . There is only 1 lords day , it’s the Sabbath according to all Scriptures . Apostle John acknowledged the Lords day in Revelation 1 :10 he did not say it was any specific day because they all knew at that time the Sabbath is the Lords day . Just an example of truth . The truth shall set us free ! Amen

Do you consider yourself to have sufficiently managed as a "lord of the sabbath"?
What does it mean to you, that Jesus is "the Lord of the Sabbath," exactly?

 

[BBerean]

Do you consider yourself to have sufficiently managed as a "lord of the sabbath"?
What does it mean to you, that Jesus is "the Lord of the Sabbath," exactly?

I just follow Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath. He kept it and taught it .

 

[Mem]

I just follow Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath. He kept it and taught it .

It just seems to me that your understanding of Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath affectively renders the Sabbath Lord of Jesus.

 

[BBerean]

It just seems to me that your understanding of Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath affectively renders the Sabbath Lord of Jesus.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and for ever . Jesus called himself the Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[Mem]

Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and for ever . Jesus called himself the Lord of the Sabbath.

Does Jesus have to serve to the commands of the Sabbath to be the Lord of the Sabbath, or does the Sabbath adhere to Jesus' commands to be a servant of the Lord of the Sabbath?

 

[BBerean]

In the new world they will be keeping the Sabbath Isaiah 66v 22,23 . Amen !

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

Wow, is there something wrong with dressing up a bit to worship our God and Savior?

Imagine being embarassed over what you are wearing and not thinking about worshipping God while in Church.

 

[Inquisitor]

You keep referring to William Miller as a "False Prophet". when you deceive ( like your spiritual father ) to make your point.

Like I've said ... Speaking some truth, but adding just enuf "lie = poison" to kill the soul's spiritually understanding.

Your deception? => ""Great Disappointment" on October 22, 1844"
Truth => The "Great Disappointment" was in October 22, 1843 ...
Truth => The fulfilling of the 2300 year prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 was on October 22, 1844

William Miller' s "disappointment" was due to getting the date off by one year, because he failed to take into account, that there is no year "0" when counting the 2300 year Bible Prophecy from BC to AD ...
( 2BC->1BC->1AD>2AD etc )

You don't seem to understand God's "Way " John 14:6 or His Sanctuary, "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?" Psalm 77:13

...or the 2300 year prophecy of Daniel 8: 13-14.
On October 22, 1844, Jesus moved from the Holy place of the sanctuary, into the Most Holy Place.
Which is The Judgment = the "Atonement" phase of our High Priest Jesus sanctuary service. This last phase of our probation, determining our individual judgments, right before "Micheal (Jesus) stands up" ( Daniel 12:1 ), and then returns to Earth, bring His "rewards" His Judgments, "with Him"

Revelation 19:11-15 is the primary verse stating that Jesus returns on a white horse to judge and make war, bringing a sharp sword from His mouth to strike the nations. Revelation 1:7 confirms that "every eye will see Him," including those who pierced Him, as He comes with clouds to execute judgment.

• Jude 1:14-15: Enoch prophesied that the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment on all the ungodly.
• Matthew 25:31-32: Jesus will sit on the throne of His glory, gathering all nations before Him to separate them as a shepherd separates sheep from goats.
• 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9: When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, He inflicts vengeance on those who do not obey the gospel.
• Zechariah 14:4: His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, marking the physical location of His return to judge the nations.

Thank you @Inquisitor for this prompt giving me the opportunity to give this Day of the Lord, Sanctuary message.

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Can you explain the following feast shown below.

John 10:22
At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in
the temple in the portico of Solomon.

Do you understand why the Jews celebrated this feast?

 

[pinebeach]

I've come to associate red as indicative of salvation. My balloon started out the color and same size as those that I gave to my mother, but mine grew because I believed it was 'for me.' That is, I couldn't give her my balloon even though I wanted to, and all the balloons that I did give her, although she accepted them, it seemed she was just taking them and holding them for 'someone else.'
And so, it especially bothers me when I've noticed that someone has adopted this, "I didn't do anything for this gift" sort of 'humility.'

I would agree that is so. I also agree with your explanation as to why the balloon grew bigger.

It's pretty neat how the Holy Spirit can convey meaning through imagery that in particular is meaningful to the person.

That is, rather than displaying the correct form of humility in saying, "Thank You for this gift," they insist that they must do something in order to be 'worthy' of it. But this attitude falls somewhere between(?) thankless and graceless. It's an outlier at any rate, even if it does 'seem right.'

Hence all the 'works' references and satisfaction that we do play a part in salvation after all with the 'see?' and insistence on salvation is only real if we work at it.

 

[pinebeach]

Galatians 3 : 19 Wherefore then serveth the law ? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made …

The sabbath was created on the seventh day . It was added to the law because God saw it was being transgressed against.
Here is a question to consider, does taking away the law stop transgression of the Sabbath that was from the seventh day ? Some claim they are in a perpetual sabbath rest in Christ . I’m ok with that but the seven day week did not disappear either . I can’t afford like most people to practice the Sabbath every day . Love the thought though!

God added a 'Sabbath law' because of the actions of people? That's what you are saying. It then begins to sound like the 10 commandments that Sabbatarians are so fond of, were co-authored by the very people God intended to hold to account.

The entire law given to Israel was to illustrate the fact that God is holy; to set apart Israel as God's nation and to reveal how sinful all people are. Even so, it was a shadow of what was to come, meaning salvation through Christ and not through a system of laws which no one could keep. I'm not going to get into all of it, but the blood sacrifices were a part of it with the sacrifice of Christ and His shed and sinless blood being the final sacrifice, the Lamb of God.

Frankly I don't care who worships on Saturday, Sunday or any all days inbetween. Neither does God.

 

[pinebeach]

I do keep it , and have been blessed for it as well . I only learned it by reading the Bible . There is only 1 lords day , it’s the Sabbath according to all Scriptures . Apostle John acknowledged the Lords day in Revelation 1 :10 he did not say it was any specific day because they all knew at that time the Sabbath is the Lords day . Just an example of truth . The truth shall set us free ! Amen

Since God created ALL the days, how can anyone say there is only one Lord's day?

The truth, is that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and He is a Sabbath rest for all who belong to Him

 

[pinebeach]

In the new world they will be keeping the Sabbath Isaiah 66v 22,23 .

Why would that be? is the day more important than the One who created it?

Get thee some understanding. Isaiah was speaking as a prophet to Israel here and referencing the continuity of God's promises to that nation. Israel is the ONLY nation to ever enter into covenant with God. Isaiah is not speaking here of all believers having to
worship in a Sabbath day. The Bible states there is neither day or night in scripture so that alone questions what you say.

Isaiah is referencing the creation of a new earth in the framework of Israel's current understanding of the law. ie: Their Messiah had not yet come.

I mean you can find all that info in a decent commentary without the added Sabbath day obsesstion of certain Sabbatarians so don't get too excited. There will be no Sabbath in which the law still holds sway over Israel.

smh

 

[lrs68]

I am not SDA but I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament saying one cannot observe the Sabbat as a Follower of Yeshua. In fact, I see nowhere that you're not allowed to follow tenants of the Law and still be Christian. If we obey the condensed version of what Yeshua said about having no other gods before God by loving God with all that we are and our neighbors (which includes parents) as ourselves we are observing the point of the Law and Commandments.

Anyway, I only believe it becomes a problem if you make it Gospel to observe. But doing it by choice for personal satisfaction seems to be innocent and harmless.