The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.

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Why do all the adherents of the " Rev 20 supposed resurrection way after the second coming on white horses," crowd omit the firstfruits of the first resurrection?
Every one of you omit components.

Then claim anyone WITH THE COMPONENTS ON THE TABLE, is false, and in error?

Why do all the adherents of the "Rev 20 supposed non-ressurection at the second coming on white horses" crown say it's way after? And say it's not the first fruits first resurrection?
Every one of you omit chane components.

Then claim anyone WITH THE COMPONENTS ALREADY ON THE TABLE, is false, and in error?

I.e. put up proof of the Rev 20 first blessed resurrection must be way after the Rev 19 Lord's second coming. Or, agree with the rest of us, that the beginning of Rev 20 is the saints' part of Rev 19.

The Lord comes again, His angel shuts up Satan in the pit, His angels escort the resurrected saints to meet Him in the air. Pretty simple multitasking of the risen Almighty Lord and God.

 

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The rapture had to be invented in order to make dispensationalism work.

'Rapture' may be invented to describe the first resurrection and ascension of the saints at the Lord's return. But the first resurrection and ascension of the saints meeting the Lord in the air, is true.

It teaches that the lord will return to Israel to save them from the armies of the world gathered against them, but if all believers are removed from the earth when he returns at the 7th trumpet, as Paul wrote, then that teaching falls apart.

True. At the Lord's return, His faithful servants are resurrected to meet with Him. They are spared from His wrath to follow.

However, the Lord will also have mercy on the earth, and save some flesh from destruction. They will be the first people of His blessed Millennial reign with His resurrected saints

Mar 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The Lord shortens His wrath over all the earth, in order to save of the nations, them that He and His saints will rule.

Luk 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Even as all saints remaining alive on earth at His coming, will be resurrected with all the dead in Christ, so will flesh remaining alive on earth after His wrath, will be ruled in His millennial kingdom.

Their will be a chosen remnant on earth at the Lord's coming, and there will be a spared remnant on earth after His wrath.

All flesh on earth shall see the salvation of God from His wrath. The days of His wrath are shortened upon flesh, for His elect's sake to have rule over.

No flesh left alive on earth at His coming wrath, then no people to rule on earth for thousand years. The anti-mil slaughter of all flesh on earth at Jesus' return, is false.

All that will be left in Israel will be the ungodly upon whom the bowls of wrath are poured out

Correct. At this time Israel after the flesh is just another nation among nations ruled by men, not by the Lord Jesus Christ. Until His return, only Jesus' faithful servants are the Israel priesthood and nation of God, without respect to flesh and blood.

There is neither Jew nor Greek in the body of Christ, nor in the nations of wrath.

 

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Tribulation is man's persecution of God's people. Wrath is God's destruction of the persecutors

Well said. Very few make this point from Scripture. Which is why the rapture is mid-tribulation: The Lord comes to end persecution on His people, and resurrect them unto Himself. The Lord comes to judge and pour His wrath upon the nations remaining on earth.

The saints are promised the former, but spared the latter. The persecutors are warned against doing the former, and are punished by the latter.

However, it's both tribulation and wrath that is upon the saints, and then upon the wicked:

Now is days of tribulation and wrath of man upon the just:

Act 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
1Sa 26:24
And, behold, as thy life was much set by this day in mine eyes, so let my life be much set by in the eyes of the LORD, and let him deliver me out of all tribulation.

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

Is 1:20
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Psa 55:3
Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.

And then tribulation and wrath of God upon the wicked at His coming:

Rom 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Hellene; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Hellene.

2Th 1:6
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

Psa 79:6
Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name.

Rev 6:16
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Between now and then at the Lord's coming will be the resurrection and ascension of the saints, when the Lord will then recompense tribulation for tribulation, and wrath for wrath.

The rapture of the church is mid-tribulation and wrath.

 

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When is the second coming?
Rev 19 ?
On white horses from heaven, with the saints?

With His armies of angels.

The saints bodies will be resurrected from the earth to meet Him here in the air. Along with the saints remaining alive on the earth at His coming.

The saints can't be coming to the earth from heaven with the Lord, since their dead bodies are still in the earth, and man are still living on the earth.

 

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With His armies of angels.

The saints bodies will be resurrected from the earth to meet Him here in the air. Along with the saints remaining alive on the earth at His coming.

The saints can't be coming to the earth from heaven with the Lord, since their dead bodies are still in the earth, and man are still living on the earth.

Too many assumptions.
In Rev 19 the saints are in heaven, before the second coming, and the wedding feast, and consumation are completed in heaven.
THEN they return with Jesus to the earth.
( postrib doctrine invents a postrib rapture out of nowhere)
Postrib leaves out a ton of verses.
Including every wedding, bride, and groom dynamic.
IOW THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of end times

Seems impossible once the bible is illuminated.
The purpose of the rapture eliminated.
The regrafting of the Jews eliminated
The allegory of harvest eliminated.
The unpacking, of rev 14, misunderstood and reframed
The virgin parable modified and changed.
The last supper dialogue eliminated.

Every single postrib end times teacher has all that either missing, or reframed.

Ask one of them about the AC killing all that refuse the mark.
Or about how power is given him to overcome the saints.
Or about how every man, woman, and child, on earth takes the mark not written in the book.
....and why they believe, inspite of the bible, that they "go through," the tribulation .

Ask one of them, in mat 24, what the "ark" allegorically represents.
What the flood represents.
What Noah and family, represents.
Ask one of them where the ark was, how high above the earth, it was, during the trib/ flood, and what that represents.
Then ask them about Noah gathered pretrib into the ark, and risen high above the earth, DURING THE ENTIRE trib, and returning IN THE ARK, to EARTH, postrib...Ask them what that metaphorically points to.

Then ask them who are the 50% removed/ raptured in mat 24. See if they tell you there is a wicked person gathering before the flood/trib.
They actually believe that.
(A "Wicked people" pretrib people rapture, before the flood/trib)
No joke!
Because they do not simply read what is there.
If they did, it would end their bible adjustments.

Watch them deny every single fact, and component, of Jesus allegory using PREFLOOD NOAH in mat 24

Then watch them deny the VIVID, VIVID , bible depiction of 3 comings.

This is just some of the changes, and omissions of postrib rapture teachers.
It is appalling.

 

[ATG]

Too many assumptions.

Quoted Scriptures are not assumptions.

In Rev 19 the saints are in heaven, before the second coming, and the wedding feast, and consumation are completed in heaven.

These are all assumptions without quoted Scriptures. And there are Scriptures to quote that contradict them.

2Co 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The souls of the dead in Christ are now in the presence of the Lord in heaven. They are waiting for His return to judge the world, and will be bodily resurrected to meet Him in the air from the earth.

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Only when coming down from heaven to the earth, does the Lord resurrect and receive His own people unto Himself in the air from the earth.

Your assumptions without quoted Scripture, of the resurrected saints being recieved with the Lord in heaven, before He comes down again to the earth, contradicts quoted Scripture, that the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, where their dead bodies are first resurrected to rise and meet Him in the air...

THEN they return with Jesus to the earth.

Since quoted Scripture says the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, then the armies following Him from heaven must be His angels:


The armies of angels in heaven come with Him to the earth His second time. Those legions of angels, that He did not call to earth the first time.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And so, Jesus says He comes again with His angels. And they will gather the resurrected elect from the four winds to meet Him in the air.

Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus nothing of resurrected saints with angels in heaven, not knowing the hour of His return. Nor of any resurrected saints returning from heaven with Himself and His angels.

And so same conclusion by quotes Scripture:

The saints can't be coming to the earth from heaven with the Lord, since their dead bodies are still in the earth, and man are still living on the earth.

A couple more quoted Scriptures zbout angels in heaven with the Lord before His return, not any resurrected saints:

Mat 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus says nothing about resurrected saints with angels in heaven, beholding the face of the Father.

Mat 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

At Jesus' return from heaven, the resurrected saints from the earth, are only like the angels in heaven, that marry not. Not that they are in heaven with the angels.

 

[Psalm1]

Quoted Scriptures are not assumptions.


These are all assumptions without quoted Scriptures. And there are Scriptures to quote that contradict them.

2Co 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The souls of the dead in Christ are now in the presence of the Lord in heaven. They are waiting for His return to judge the world, and will be bodily resurrected to meet Him in the air from the earth.

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Only when coming down from heaven to the earth, does the Lord resurrect and receive His own people unto Himself in the air from the earth.

Your assumptions without quoted Scripture, of the resurrected saints being recieved with the Lord in heaven, before He comes down again to the earth, contradicts quoted Scripture, that the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, where their dead bodies are first resurrected to rise and meet Him in the air...




Since quoted Scripture says the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, then the armies following Him from heaven must be His angels:


The armies of angels in heaven come with Him to the earth His second time. Those legions of angels, that He did not call to earth the first time.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And so, Jesus says He comes again with His angels. And they will gather the resurrected elect from the four winds to meet Him in the air.

Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus nothing of resurrected saints with angels in heaven, not knowing the hour of His return. Nor of any resurrected saints returning from heaven with Himself and His angels.

And so same conclusion by quotes Scripture:

The saints can't be coming to the earth from heaven with the Lord, since their dead bodies are still in the earth, and man are still living on the earth.

A couple more quoted Scriptures zbout angels in heaven with the Lord before His return, not any resurrected saints:

Mat 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus says nothing about resurrected saints with angels in heaven, beholding the face of the Father.

Mat 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

At Jesus' return from heaven, the resurrected saints from the earth, are only like the angels in heaven, that marry not. Not that they are in heaven with the angels.

In Rev 19 the saints are in heaven, before the second coming, and the wedding feast, and consumation are completed in heaven.

Quote
"These are all assumptions without quoted Scriptures. And there are Scriptures to quote that contradict them."
No there is not.
And you did not do so.
Fact
Rev 19:1
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2;For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
(the saints in heaven before the 2nd coming)

Rev 19
6;And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7;Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8;And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
( the saints in heaven before the 2nd coming)

Rev19
9;And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
(Marriage Supper in heaven as Jesus prophesied at the last supper.)

Rev 19
14;And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[As I said, the saints in heaven ALREADY ON HORSES, RETURN TO EARTH with Jesus AT THE SECOND COMING.
( NO invented , assumed rapture there at tge secong coming on white horses....zero)]

 

[Reddogs]

Both sides believe he comes AFTER THE TRIB in power and great Glory.
The second coming is WITH THE SAINTS.

The rapture is FOR the saints.
JESUS taught the rapture is pretrib.

Postribbers Painted themselves into a doctrinal corner with the "one coming" theory

So lets look to see what Christ and His Word says. We see Christ laying down what will happen and the signs and events to watch for.

Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We see it repeated also in Mark.

Mark 13:1-27
1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[Reddogs]

And we also see it in Luke, so it was very clear what Jesus said.

Luke 21:5-28 King James Version (KJV)
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Psalm1]

Quoted Scriptures are not assumptions.


These are all assumptions without quoted Scriptures. And there are Scriptures to quote that contradict them.

2Co 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The souls of the dead in Christ are now in the presence of the Lord in heaven. They are waiting for His return to judge the world, and will be bodily resurrected to meet Him in the air from the earth.

Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Only when coming down from heaven to the earth, does the Lord resurrect and receive His own people unto Himself in the air from the earth.

Your assumptions without quoted Scripture, of the resurrected saints being recieved with the Lord in heaven, before He comes down again to the earth, contradicts quoted Scripture, that the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, where their dead bodies are first resurrected to rise and meet Him in the air...




Since quoted Scripture says the resurrected saints will meet Him in the air from the earth, then the armies following Him from heaven must be His angels:


The armies of angels in heaven come with Him to the earth His second time. Those legions of angels, that He did not call to earth the first time.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And so, Jesus says He comes again with His angels. And they will gather the resurrected elect from the four winds to meet Him in the air.

Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Jesus nothing of resurrected saints with angels in heaven, not knowing the hour of His return. Nor of any resurrected saints returning from heaven with Himself and His angels.

And so same conclusion by quotes Scripture:

The saints can't be coming to the earth from heaven with the Lord, since their dead bodies are still in the earth, and man are still living on the earth.

A couple more quoted Scriptures zbout angels in heaven with the Lord before His return, not any resurrected saints:

Mat 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus says nothing about resurrected saints with angels in heaven, beholding the face of the Father.

Mat 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

At Jesus' return from heaven, the resurrected saints from the earth, are only like the angels in heaven, that marry not. Not that they are in heaven with the angels.

Quote
"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
amen...I also support the pretrib rapture.
QUOTE
"Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

yes, after the rapture the AC is given power to overcome the saints.
If you keep reading, "an innumerable number of MARTYRS" ,killed by the ac, is in heaven, DURING THE TRIB.
IN FACT ,IT SAYS ':every man Woman and child takes the mark, that are not written in the book.."
So thanks for reminding me there are no believers left on earth to be in a postrib assumed rapture.

 

[Reddogs]

So the Second Coming of Christ is not a 'secret rapture' or just a 'few that disappear here and there, everyone will see it.
You have to study Gods Word beyond a surface reading to see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur which false christs and charlatans will not be able to do or recreate. The return of Christ or His second coming to this earth is the event that will finally release the people of God from evil, and scripture outlines it for us.
We are shown that the day and hour are unknown...

"36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Mark 13:32

Now some can argued that many of the events shown have always existed on the earth, but never has there been a time when all these events were evident in the world simultaneously or the intensity we will see and Gods Word shows us....

"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness." Zephaniah 1:14-15

"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear,"...Luke 21:25-26

Jesus also predicted what we are clearly seeing right now on the news, that tension between nations would increase prior to the Second Coming.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Matthew 24:7

So when we look at the nations of the world today, there may be talk of peace, but it seems the destruction of peoples and lives continues. Numerous additional signs of the imminent return of Christ are given in the Scriptures which testify that the time is near.

 

[Reddogs]

We see the "seven last plagues" in the Book of Revelation Chapter 16 which comes right before the Second Coming. They include festering sores, sea/rivers turning to blood, scorching sun, darkness, the drying of the Euphrates, and catastrophic destruction, targeting those who follow the "beast".

1. Sores: Painful, loathsome sores afflict those with the mark of the beast.
2. Sea to Blood: The sea turns to blood, killing all living things within it.
3. Waters to Blood: Rivers and springs turn into blood.
4. Scorching Sun: The sun scorches humanity with fire.
5. Darkness and Pain: Darkness covers the beast's kingdom, causing intense agony.
6. Euphrates Dried Up: The Euphrates dries up to prepare for the kings of the east.
7. Thunder and Earthquake: A massive earthquake and hailstorm follow the proclamation "It is done"

So what does it say of how Christ will return:

And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'. Acts 1:9-l l.

He will be coming in the Clouds together with His angels. Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism.

The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels; the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place. Psalm 68:17

...who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:3

 

[Reddogs]

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ. It is not secret, Christ comes to take His saints to heaven, it comes before the 1000 years and the saints reign in heaven during that time, and then and only then does the New Jerusalem come down with Christ and the saints...

 

[Psalm1]

So lets look to see what Christ and His Word says. We see Christ laying down what will happen and the signs and events to watch for.

Matthew 24 King James Version (KJV)
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

We see it repeated also in Mark.

Mark 13:1-27
1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Huh?
A gathering in heaven before the second coming?

That supports a pretrib rapture.

But you guys have such a knack for omission.

You actually OMITTED the rapture
Lol
Here is the rapture PRETRIB/ FLOOD that every single postribber leaves out.

Here is your omission;
Mat 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

You really think cherry picking for doctrine sake is not dangerous?

 

[Psalm1]

We see the "seven last plagues" in the Book of Revelation Chapter 16 which comes right before the Second Coming. They include festering sores, sea/rivers turning
So what does it say of how Christ will return:

And when He had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they were looking steadfastly toward Heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, 'Ye men of Galilee; why stand ye gazing up into Heaven? This same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven'. Acts 1:9-l l.

He will be coming in the Clouds together with His angels. Jesus was taken up into heaven by a cloud, and He will return in the clouds. The clouds refer to the angels of God that surround Him as can be seen in Hebrew parallelism.

The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels; the Lord is among them, as is Sinai, in the holy place. Psalm 68:17

...who maketh the clouds his chariots; who walketh upon the wings of the wind. Psalm 104:3

"Like manner"
The doctrine killer
Postrib supposed rapture is in a like manner?
Huh?
A warrior Jesus dressed different, wearing a crown, and a sword killing his enemies , riding a Horse, with millions Of horses accompanying him.
In judgment And vengeance.
Huh?????

Ahem...JESUS TAUGHT a pretrib rapture that is IDENTICAL IN DESCROPTION of "like manner"

A solo Jesus with his chosen...check
(" like manner")
Wearing a robe, with no crown, no vengeance, no war, no sword, no killing, no destroyrd planet, no mark of the beast, no AC, no lettering on his thigh, no judgement.
You guys have "like manner" sailing over your heads, oblivious to what "like manner" means.
you deal is 100% OPPOSITE.
100%.

Thank you for demonstrating acts 1 depiction of a pretrib rapture.

 

[Psalm1]

And we also see it in Luke, so it was very clear what Jesus said.

Luke 21:5-28 King James Version (KJV)
5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Amen
The setting for the second coming is horrible.

The setting for the rapture is pretrib.

Study more carefully.
The rapture setting is indeed different as you alluded to, but missed it.

 

[dkontner]

Thessalonians 2​

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ. It is not secret, Christ comes to take His saints to heaven, it comes before the 1000 years and the saints reign in heaven during that time, and then and only then does the New Jerusalem come down with Christ and the saints...

QUOTE
"The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:
For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17
The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe."

You are getting close.
Now note the rapture verses are all pretrib setting, and Jesus used 2 pretrib gathering examples, He vividly pictured, with Lot and Noah being pretrib rapture examples.
Then combine mat25 virgin parable, and note Jesus and his bride went to heaven, after 50% were left behind.
(Pssst...there was no uturn to earth.
That is made up by postrib doctrine)

 

[Psalm1]

Thessalonians 2​

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Amen.
Great pretrib rapture verse.
I hold to it.
Definately true.
The ac revealed, and not yet in power, then the pretrib rapture.

Thank you for pointing it out.

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus Himself promised that He would return with the clouds (the angels).

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels. 2 Thessalonians 1:7

When the Son of man shall come in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory. Matthew 25:31

The glory of Christ's coming surpasses anything we can imagine. He will return in the glory of His angels, and that of the Godhead:

...when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

The Second Coming will be Universally Visible:

Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him... Revelation 1:7

Christ warned against false comings of Christ that would not be universally visible.

Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers, believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:26,27

...they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30

The Second Coming will be Audible:

And he shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other. Matthew 24:31

The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God... I Thessalonians 4:16

The Lord Will Not Come Down to the Earth, But Will Await the Redeemed in the Sky:

For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

The Saints will be gathered together by angels and taken up into the air to meet the Lord in the sky. This is not a secret rapture as some believe.

And He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:31

At the second coming, Christ calls forth the dead and sends forth His angels to gather the elect, and together they meet Him in the air. Christ Himself does not come down to the earth - His feet do not touch the earth. His command to His angels is:

Gather my saints together unto me, those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. Psalm 50:5

So if we study and see what scripture tells us about Christs Second Coming, and understand how and what will occur, Satan will not be able to fool us not matter what he tries, and we will be prepared for Christ. It is not secret, Christ comes to take His saints to heaven, it comes before the 1000 years and the saints reign in heaven during that time, and then and only then does the New Jerusalem come down with Christ and the saints...

Oh yes!
Great verses.
The second coming is dramatic indeed.
And as Jesus taught , that coming is with the previously raptured saints.