Yes exactly, they want to make it seem that Romans 11 departs from that central message.
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Yes exactly, they want to make it seem that Romans 11 departs from that central message.
They go from "not all natural Israel is Israel" to "all Israel means all natural Israel" and are too blinded by the pharisee displacement heresy to see the contradiction
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Romans 9:6
And so all Israel shall be saved as it is written, "There shall come out of Zion the deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob" and "this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins". Romans 11:25-26
True, but what people took a Jewish priest and forced him to write the Koran for them?
No nation Israel, no Second Coming.
In fact what will happen is that the divorced temple prostitute will be saved from the murderous intentions of those who surround her and abused her by the Kinsman Redeemer Whom they ask but did not know.
[Jhn 8:3-11 KJV]
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
As recorded in Hosea 1–3, God commands Hosea to marry a "wife of harlotry" (eshet zenunim). Gomer eventually abandons Hosea for other lovers, mirroring Israel’s turning toward Canaanite deities like Baal.
Key Theological Themes
Restoration (Hosea 2:14–23): The text moves from judgment to a "wilderness" period, where God intends to speak tenderly to Israel. This culminates in the reversal of the children's names: Lo-Ruhamah ("not pitied") becomes Ruhamah ("pitied"), and Lo-Ammi ("not my people") becomes Ammi ("my people").
The Concept of Hesed: The story illustrates "steadfast love" or "loyal kindness." In Hosea 3:1, Hosea is told to go and love his wife again, even while she is in the arms of another, paralleling God’s persistent pursuit of a wayward nation.
The Valley of Achor: In Hosea 2:15, the "Valley of Achor" (traditionally the "Valley of Trouble" from the time of Achan) is transformed into a "door of hope," signifying that past failures are not the end of the covenant.
Typological Significance
The marriage serves as a "living prophecy" where the prophet's domestic pain becomes a public medium for the divine message. While the Masoretic Text and the Septuagint (LXX) occasionally differ in nuance regarding the descriptions of the children's symbolic roles, both emphasize the same arc: Covenant → Adultery → Discipline → Redemption.
Iran refuses to attend negotiations in Islamabad, Trump eats a TACO and unilaterally declares an indefinite ceasefire extension, Iran says they do not recognize ceasefire extension
Jude
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
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WW3 is HERE: "We're in For Some REALLY ROUGH TIMES"
He makes an interesting point that Russia, Iran, and China know they have to hang together or else the US will pick them off one by one. Meanwhile Trump tells Iran that if they don't sign the peace treaty he'll bomb their oil infrastructure and Iran in in turn responds that if the US does that they will destroy the oil infrastructure of the region. The impact of that would be catastrophic to the world.
Seems like they are caught in the escalation trap.
Absolutely and a completely contradictory to the message of scripture that salvation is my faith, not ethnicity and always was by faith.
Along with the fact that Paul spends preceding chapters defining who is Israel.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:26
"Sons of God" is a designation for Israel, but it is not used for all believers. Abraham is now the father of all who believe, not just Jews, but Gentiles also...
..and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,
Romans 4:11
Paul has been redefining the elect all through this letter ... Romans 2:28-29
This insistence that Paul has a "future group salvation event based on ethnicity" in view is so profoundly absurd and not supported by scripture..it is obviously the believing remnant of that time period of which there were many.
It's the doctrine of the pharisees that infiltrated Christianity about 150 or so years ago
Iran is starting to seize ships in the Persian Gulf in retaliation for US high seas piracy. Also making other threats. Meanwhile, Trump's blockade apparently not going so bigly. US needs to act civilized and go home
