It Saddens Me: The Christian Screamo Thread

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hislastwalk

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OK, I seen a thread earlier, and realized "Wow there are some pretty judgmental Christians"
Honestly, why should whether someone listens to Christian screamo, or rap, or any other genre even be an issue? If the words are glorifying God, then there is nothing wrong! It's not the sound that matters..! Let me guess.. some of you listen to gospel? Well there are fake Christian bands, yes, but there are also those who sing gospel that are just as fake! I just had to express my feelings, and don't bother bashing this thread.. make your own if you wanna change the view.
 
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I do agree very much. As well as I think it is really upsetting that some Christians can judge easily some music to be wrong, and then whilst they probably might be listening to Christian pop that are a lot of the same as Christian metalheads wanting to giving glory to God through their lyricks and reach out to people listening to Satanic metal bands, Christian pop bands do they same in changing their music into giving God glory through music their typical pop-ish music that could sound like those pop bands from the world too. What matters most is whether it is music that brings people closer to God, as well as getting uplifted by God through the music.

Besides; We are a bunch of different people having different tastes in what music we like listening to, everything for a different purpose in our lives and walks with God. Some music might touch us and draw us closer to God more than some other types of music, God knows which ones that we love listening to when it comes to music. Imagine if everyone listened to the same, did a lot of the same things, said a lot of the same things, thought a lot of the same things, etc... Wouldn't this have been a bit boring? ;)
 
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Since we're making another thread about this, I'll just copy over what I said in the other one-

Be God's mouthpiece and the world will come to you. Do not go to the world.

^not an actual verse, but rather a mishmash of like a hundred verses. It says over and over in the Bible that we should not be of the world. Replicating worldly music and slapping some Christian message on it will not make it of God...it is still of the world and you're just plain wrong if you think you are correctly glorifying God in this manner. You cannot mix the Godly with the ungodly and expect it to be wholly GOOD. You just can't.

Addition: For 'lyrics' to be the only thing that will make a song glorify God, then how do you explain all of the gorgeous instrumental and classical music that has been created over the centuries to worship and adore Him through song? How do those songs sound 'heavenly' without any words to tell you it's about Jesus?

Can music 'sound beautiful' or 'sound angry'? Yes. Absolutely. Without question. It's been proven time and time and time again simply by watching what parts of the brain light up and how the body physically reacts when certain kinds of music are played. To completely overlook that for the sake of being part of a scene is voluntary ignorance.
 
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A pastor named Keith Daniels said "If it's drowning out decency, THROW IT OUT!" Idk. It makes allot of sense to me. Would a God of peace want to hear loud blaring music with screaming and incomprehensible language? What about "whatsoever things are pure"?So, I don't think so, but feel free to disagree.

Also, you have to understand that each music is geared towards a certain genre of people. If your enamored with the whole lifestyle and get-up of a screamo band, punk, goth, gangster, whatever (And notice i said 'interested'; you don't have to actually be living this lifestyle but obsessing over it), you have a serious problem. Your personality should not incorporate ANYTHING that the world has concocted. Your identity should be found in Christ.
 
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There's two areas it seems most teens don't want God anywhere near. That's music, and dating.
 
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HhhLGA89 said:
A pastor named Keith Daniels said "If it's drowning out decency, THROW IT OUT!" Idk. It makes allot of sense to me. Would a God of peace want to hear loud blaring music with screaming and incomprehensible language? What about "whatsoever things are pure"?So, I don't think so, but feel free to disagree.

Also, you have to understand that each music is geared towards a certain genre of people. If your enamored with the whole lifestyle and get-up of a screamo band, punk, goth, gangster, whatever (And notice i said 'interested'; you don't have to actually be living this lifestyle but obsessing over it), you have a serious problem. Your personality should not incorporate ANYTHING that the world has concocted. Your identity should be found in Christ.
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Ah yes, because the way you choose to play an instrument has anything to do with spirituality.

Also, people have personalities, God given personalities. I don't think Gods intent is for us to lose our personalities in our relationship with Him. He doesn't want robots who lose all sense of identity.

There is no scripture whatsoever that can be used to prove any form or style of music is in any way bad by its nature. Period. End of story. Stop trying to put God in a box and applying your preferences as to whats right and wrong as His. You have no validity in your argument.
 
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hislastwalk

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rainacorn said:
Since we're making another thread about this, I'll just copy over what I said in the other one-

Be God's mouthpiece and the world will come to you. Do not go to the world.

^not an actual verse, but rather a mishmash of like a hundred verses. It says over and over in the Bible that we should not be of the world. Replicating worldly music and slapping some Christian message on it will not make it of God...it is still of the world and you're just plain wrong if you think you are correctly glorifying God in this manner. You cannot mix the Godly with the ungodly and expect it to be wholly GOOD. You just can't.

Addition: For 'lyrics' to be the only thing that will make a song glorify God, then how do you explain all of the gorgeous instrumental and classical music that has been created over the centuries to worship and adore Him through song? How do those songs sound 'heavenly' without any words to tell you it's about Jesus?

Can music 'sound beautiful' or 'sound angry'? Yes. Absolutely. Without question. It's been proven time and time and time again simply by watching what parts of the brain light up and how the body physically reacts when certain kinds of music are played. To completely overlook that for the sake of being part of a scene is voluntary ignorance.
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the sound doesn't determine if it's of the world or not!!! The words are what separate it.. saying what you said is like saying.. wearing Walmart clothes is a sin because the rest of the world wears it.if you don't like the genre, then fine, but to say it's a sin? NO! STOP JUDGING! I AM NOT HERE TO PLEASE YOU.... just saying.. this shouldn't even be an issue at all, don't like the genre? Then I'm fine with it, but to say what you said is wrong.
 
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hislastwalk

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and with a lot of these bands, I have atheist friends who listen to 'em. At least their getting the word of God somehow, sometimes without even realizing it. Shut up, you can't even give me half a verse. and this joyful noise stuff is whatever, everyone has their own version of a joyful noise. your hymns are bad too then, because it's not the psalms they sang in the bible times, huh?
 
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hislastwalk

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Hell, fear me. I am the one that will bring you down.
And when you fall, feel me. You'll see my face on the battleground.
Hell, fear me. I am the one that will bring you down.
And when you fall, feel me. You'll see my face on the battleground.

Let my name be feared at the gates of hell, as I exalt the Savior.
The One that died to buy my victory, and gave me a new name.
Let my name be feared at the gates of hell, as I exalt the Savior.
In the name of the Holy One of God,
I will cast you down at the foot of the cross He hung from.
I will stand behind my Savior, as He burns your kingdom down.
And I will see you on your knees before the King of Kings.
You will lose your throne to the chosen ones. The chosen ones will rise.

Tear it to the ground! This is the army we've been waiting for.
Tear it to the ground! We will storm the gates of hell and we will...
Tear it to the ground! We stand behind the one that conquered death.
Tear it to the ground! And we will stand when there is nothing left.
Tear it to the ground! Tear it to the ground!

Justice! Justice! Justice! God, bring justice!
Justice! We will come against the bondage of hell.
Justice! And we will take back what's taken from us.
Justice! This is our right as heirs to dominion. God, bring justice!

This war will end.

I am the one that will bring you down.
And when you fall, feel me. You'll see my face on the battleground.

Hell, fear me. I am the one that will bring you down.
And when you fall, feel me. You'll see my face on the battleground. -Devastator, by For Today.
 
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Music should be judged in itself. If it sounds good to you listen to it and enjoy.
 
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HhhLGA89

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Ugly said:
Ah yes, because the way you choose to play an instrument has anything to do with spirituality.

Also, people have personalities, God given personalities. I don't think Gods intent is for us to lose our personalities in our relationship with Him. He doesn't want robots who lose all sense of identity.

There is no scripture whatsoever that can be used to prove any form or style of music is in any way bad by its nature. Period. End of story. Stop trying to put God in a box and applying your preferences as to whats right and wrong as His. You have no validity in your argument.
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Exactly. God given personalities. We're tainted, but when we become new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17) , the old man is put off: the old life with its past sins and our old artificial, carnal characteristics.

Try to understand me. I think your confusing a style(created by secular culture) with personality. Someone can be a mopey person, but being "emo" is a style, a genre. You can be mean, but being a "gangsta" is a style, a genre -Carnal products of a sinful culture, most of them.

I'm simply saying that: are you a listening to rock (or whatever) because you are in love with the elements of the world it so definitely is attached to? screamo -punk/emo - "style created by secular culture"

Its just a question. If the answer is no. Then fine. Listen till your ears fall off, its fine with me. And if your conscious is ok with it then I guess I have no right to say boo. Because like you said, the scripture isn't so clear about it.
 
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hislastwalk

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HhhLGA89 said:
Exactly. God given personalities. We're tainted, but when we become new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17) , the old man is put off: the old life with its past sins and our old artificial, carnal characteristics.

Try to understand me. I think your confusing a style(created by secular culture) with personality. Someone can be a mopey person, but being "emo" is a style, a genre. You can be mean, but being a "gangsta" is a style, a genre -Carnal products of a sinful culture, most of them.

I'm simply saying that: are you a listening to rock (or whatever) because you are in love with the elements of the world it so definitely is attached to? screamo -punk/emo - "style created by secular culture"

Its just a question. If the answer is no. Then fine. Listen till your ears fall off, its fine with me. And if your conscious is ok with it then I guess I have no right to say boo. Because like you said, the scripture isn't so clear about it.
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I listen to rock because it's music that sounds good to me? lol.
 
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HhhLGA89

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hislastwalk said:
I listen to rock because it's music that sounds good to me? lol.
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Yeah..ok. And some people not only listen to the music but adopt the style always associated with it. I'm glad your not one of them, I hope.
 
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rainacorn

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BobPage said:
Music should be judged in itself. If it sounds good to you listen to it and enjoy.
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The Christian music industry disagrees with you. They think Christians are so incapable of judging music purely on their merits, they must label it as Christian otherwise you will have no idea what to listen to.

If there weren't a Christian music industry, according to them, you probably wouldn't even be a Christian. See many of them share these same underdeveloped, immature thoughts that suggest someone will be SAVED by Christian hardcore or something.

Only Jesus Christ can save you, and there is more to know about Him than what is included in these lyrics. Maybe it's a good starting point, but so is a conversation (just don't mumble and scream at them).
 
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hislastwalk

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rainacorn said:
The Christian music industry disagrees with you. They think Christians are so incapable of judging music purely on their merits, they must label it as Christian otherwise you will have no idea what to listen to.

If there weren't a Christian music industry, according to them, you probably wouldn't even be a Christian. See many of them share these same underdeveloped, immature thoughts that suggest someone will be SAVED by Christian hardcore or something.

Only Jesus Christ can save you, and there is more to know about Him than what is included in these lyrics. Maybe it's a good starting point, but so is a conversation (just don't mumble and scream at them).
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I never said it was the music that saves >.> I said at-least their hearing the word of God.. yeh there are fake Christian bands, but there are also fake gospel singers, etc. Like I said before, shut up, you can't even give me half a verse about hardcore music :)
 
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hislastwalk

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HhhLGA89 said:
Yeah..ok. And some people not only listen to the music but adopt the style always associated with it. I'm glad your not one of them, I hope.
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style? So if someone dresses 'emo' that automatically means their trying to be emo? no. some people say I dress emo-ish, but so what? That's not a sin. Don't be stereotype.
 
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rainacorn

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hislastwalk said:
I never said it was the music that saves >.> I said at-least their hearing the word of God.. yeh there are fake Christian bands, but there are also fake gospel singers, etc. Like I said before, shut up, you can't even give me half a verse about hardcore music :)
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There are also preachers preaching a false gospel. There are also false teachers leading people astray.

That is exactly why we need to apply the discernment of the holy spirit and not just jump on board with whatever feels good, or even feels right, or is labeled as Christian.

Do you listen to secular hardcore music? Do you listen to hardcore music from people who belong to false religions?
 
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hislastwalk

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rainacorn said:
There are also preachers preaching a false gospel. There are also false teachers leading people astray.

That is exactly why we need to apply the discernment of the holy spirit and not just jump on board with whatever feels good, or even feels right, or is labeled as Christian.

Do you listen to secular hardcore music? Do you listen to hardcore music from people who belong to false religions?
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No. I only listen to Christian music. For the most part, there are artist, like Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift I listen to.and there are particular CHRISTIAN bands I deleted because God convicted me and told me they weren't real. I always listen to God when he convicts me of something. If it's your conviction to not listen, then good for you... things don't have to be sin to hold you back, some people can't own laptops, because it takes them away from God, it's all a matter on your convictions.but that don't make me bad for owning a laptop.. God hasn't convicted me.. the point is, if you show me a verse where it says "Do not listen to hardcore music, I am the Lord" then I'll delete it all, otherwise, let your convictions stay your own.
 
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hislastwalk

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rainacorn said:
There are also preachers preaching a false gospel. There are also false teachers leading people astray.

That is exactly why we need to apply the discernment of the holy spirit and not just jump on board with whatever feels good, or even feels right, or is labeled as Christian.

Do you listen to secular hardcore music? Do you listen to hardcore music from people who belong to false religions?
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there are also preachers I won't listen to, why? Because I judge them by the fruits they are bearing. I am a pastor myself.
 
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