Would you ever eat...?

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I sure hope you do stay. I've already got the popcorn popped.

Usually by the time the popcorn is done popping, "spiritual discussions only" people have already gone away and there is no show to watch. But if you have decided to stick around, there might be some entertainment today after all.
I'm delighted to be seen as entertaining
My entertainment on my day off work is to sit in my local pub
Drinking beer and listening to "secular" songs that really ought to be hymns
I think maybe you misread me
I'm not opposed to anyone
I've got enough of a fight on
Trying to follow the Spirit which is opposed by my flesh at every move
And incidentally
When it comes to eating
It's definitely
Pizza or curry
I was trying to think of an analogy for this, and tried to come up with a few examples.

I grew up in church culture. I was thoroughly steeped in it. I went to Christian schools, along with church every Sunday, plus Sunday school, plus vacation Bible school, Christian summer camp, all church events and potlucks, Catechism, Bible classes, small groups, etc. I also spent about 15 years in the exact opposite Christian belief system, the Assemblies of God, which was all about miraculous healings, casting out demons, praying in tongues (which the Lutherans pretty much saw as demon possession,) and involvement to the point where I was spending almost every day at the church.

Does this make me more spiritual? Absolutely not. But what it did was make me see was a lot of the two-sidedness behind the Christian culture. The church events where people were gossiping about the lone single mother in my class (back when I went to Lutheran school, it was rare to have a single mother in our church -- and not exactly welcome.)

I saw how girls who got pregnant suddenly "disappeared" from my Lutheran high school because they were asked to leave behind closed doors (having unmarried, pregnant teen girls walking down your halls isn't a good spiritual look for your organization, not to mention your business.) So much for God's love, compassion, and forgiveness. I can't remember, but I think the fathers were still allowed to attend.

I could go on and on. And I got to the point where I wanted nothing to do with it.

I have been around people who talk Scripture 24/7 all my life, and criticize me heavily because I'm not one of them. And all that time, there are things going on behind their closed doors that eventually tumble out. I'd rather just be able to be myself and be around people I'm comfortable enough to keep my doors open with.

It's like a doctor, business person, or teacher who only talks their own professional lingo all day, every day, then looks down on anyone who talks about anything else, or talks about it in a different way.

And we've all been around the brilliant doctor, the successful business man, the ground-breaking teacher -- who had absolutely no concept of how to talk to everyday people. And, rather than seeing this great disparity as their own approach, they blame on other people, thinking they are too lowly, too flighty and not concerned enough about intellectual things, or just too plain stupid to understand their obvious genius.

I had a biology teacher in college whom I have no doubt was immensely intelligent. But he was terrible at explaining concepts, then wrote quizzes and tests all designed in his own "language," which no one could understand. He was lecturing about gene mutation one day and I could tell none of us were quite understanding.

I raised my hand, tried to summarize what he was teaching using circles, squares, and triangles as an example, and he said, yes, that's it. The whole class clapped. I wasn't trying to mock what he was saying, I was trying to break it down into something everyday people can comprehend. And that's what I've tried to do my entire life -- break down what the intellectual and spiritual elites want to keep complicated in order to look down at normal, everyday people whom they think are too "worldly" or "not spiritual enough" to understand.

And then, if people won't engage with them, they will then talk about how people's hearts are hardened, and God will judge them for not receiving the word they are trying to give.

I understand that.

But it's like going to visit a new country or culture. Each person has their own individual life, history, and "language". If one wants to be effective at reaching people, they have to be willing to "stoop down to that person's level" to "learn" the other person's "language" with compassion, not condescension, if they want to reach that person. You can't blame it entirely on the other person -- you have to work hard at your approach.

God usually has me in situations where I get to know people over long periods of time -- work, church, a class, etc. I start out by talking to them about life, which yes, might mean food, sports, hobbies -- and then more about their life, if they're comfortable.

It often progresses into people pouring out their hearts over past abuse and complex histories involving their families, friends, and even those who call themselves Christians.

In my experience, if you get to this level with a person, this is when they're more open to talking about spiritual things in depth. When you get to a point where you ask about their children by name and offer to pray for them, it almost always softens people's hearts to talking about God and how much He loves them.

But that's just me, and I know we are all called differently.

So no, I'm not the person who will be talking about the Scriptures 24/7, then breaking them down into the original translations, and debating every possible way they have been presented. But I admire the people who can, and who do, and are still able to talk to us simple, common-variety sheep in a way that edifies, rather than cutting us down for not being spiritual enough.

All this to just say again, @MicaelOhagan, I would like to strongly encourage you again to check out the Bible Discussion Forum.

I like to go there to read along and follow a few favorite posters whom I admire.

The BDF is also filled with people who have your perspective, and I think you'd fit right in there.

You said that people probably wouldn't want to talk about the dangers of the tongue -- I guarantee you, it's been talked about over there, and probably dozens of times.

Just do a search for the topic in the search function and it will find threads talking about the tongue, or, better yet, start a new, fresh thread about the topic over there yourself.

I can almost guarantee that people there will answer.
That was a lengthy response
You obviously mean what you say
I was made a Christian 23 years ago
Nothing whatsoever to do with me
All I was was desperate
If you knew my sins you'd fully understand
Please don't cosign me to the
Scripture only group
I'm not particularly interested in quoting scripture
And I very really do
I'm more likely to quote a line from the blues brothers or Armageddon and express biblical truth from a line or two from "secular" songs
One line I will quote however
When the son sets you free
You shall be free indeed
I'm not just any old Christian that can be neatly placed into a specific "group"
I'm this Christian
Who cannot be categorised
I'm completely unique
And take full advantage of my position
I'm not "gifted" with chapter and verse
But with meaning
And that's what really matters
 
I dunno... They play pretty rough over there in the bible discussion forum. If you don't agree with somebody exactly he will call you a fake Christian and many worse things.

Michael if you do go over there, be careful.

Yes, exactly.

The BDF is about the strongest litmus test you can find for those who believe they know the Scriptures at an elite status. It will definitely test one's mettle to the max.

You'll either learn a whole lot, double down on your own beliefs and be even more convinced that everyone else is wrong, or run away crying -- and I'm guessing the "softer" people there find themselves doing all 3 at once.
 
I'm delighted to be seen as entertaining
My entertainment on my day off work is to sit in my local pub
Drinking beer and listening to "secular" songs that really ought to be hymns
I think maybe you misread me
I'm not opposed to anyone
I've got enough of a fight on
Trying to follow the Spirit which is opposed by my flesh at every move
And incidentally
When it comes to eating
It's definitely
Pizza or curry

That was a lengthy response
You obviously mean what you say
I was made a Christian 23 years ago
Nothing whatsoever to do with me
All I was was desperate
If you knew my sins you'd fully understand
Please don't cosign me to the
Scripture only group
I'm not particularly interested in quoting scripture
And I very really do
I'm more likely to quote a line from the blues brothers or Armageddon and express biblical truth from a line or two from "secular" songs
One line I will quote however
When the son sets you free
You shall be free indeed
I'm not just any old Christian that can be neatly placed into a specific "group"
I'm this Christian
Who cannot be categorised
I'm completely unique
And take full advantage of my position
I'm not "gifted" with chapter and verse
But with meaning
And that's what really matters

It's lovely to meet you, @MicaelOhagan.

Yes, I am known for lengthy responses. :)

Pizza or curry sounds great, thank you for participating in our little chatter about favorite foods. :) We look forward to hearing more of your story.

Just as you tell us you are unique, and have a one-of-a-kind story, please extend us the courtesy of knowing that each of us are the same as well. We all have our own stories.

Please don't just dismiss us, or our conversations, as all being too worldly and secular.

Just as we don't know you, you also don't know anything about us.

Yet. :cool:
 
I dunno... They play pretty rough over there in the bible discussion forum. If you don't agree with somebody exactly he will call you a fake Christian and many worse things.

Michael if you do go over there, be careful.
Oh lynx
Thanks for the warning
I'm well aware of "Christian" righteousness
I've been gifted the freedom of on my day off
Being allowed to "relax" in the pub
Drinking beer and listening to "secular" songs
Which to me
Sound like hymns
When the Son sets you free
You shall be free indeed
Yes, exactly.

The BDF is about the strongest litmus test you can find for those who believe they know the Scriptures at an elite status. It will definitely test one's mettle to the max.

You'll either learn a whole lot, double down on your own beliefs and be even more convinced that everyone else is wrong, or run away crying -- and I'm guessing the "softer" people there find themselves doing all 3 at once.
It's ok
Thanks for the warning
But the only real "opposition "
Is my own ego
Or the flesh as Paul calls it
I don't actually know how to get on to the BDF
Funnily it sounds like a kind of we're the real ones kind of group
Maybe they need me
Who
On my days off from working as a 60 year old kitchen porter and ex convict
Sit in the bar
Drinking beer
And listening to my playlist of "secular" songs which to me
Sound like hymns
Maybe I should join the BDF
And
Wake them off
I'm not atall out off by the inevitable challenge and rejection
It sounds like fun!
It's lovely to meet you, @MicaelOhagan.

Yes, I am known for lengthy responses. :)

Pizza or curry sounds great, thank you for participating in our little chatter about favorite foods. :) We look forward to hearing more of your story.

Just as you tell us you are unique, and have a one-of-a-kind story, please extend us the courtesy of knowing that each of us are the same as well. We all have our own stories.

Please don't just dismiss us, or our conversations, as all being too worldly and secular.

Just as we don't know you, you also don't know anything about us.

Yet. :cool:
It wasn't me who
Attacked
I merely made an observation in passing
But it doesn't really matter to me to be "right"
I'm more interested in keeping my peace
Which is only maintained by being "aware" of what I'm "eating"
If you get my drift
 
Oh lynx
Thanks for the warning
I'm well aware of "Christian" righteousness
I've been gifted the freedom of on my day off
Being allowed to "relax" in the pub
Drinking beer and listening to "secular" songs
Which to me
Sound like hymns
When the Son sets you free
You shall be free indeed

It's ok
Thanks for the warning
But the only real "opposition "
Is my own ego
Or the flesh as Paul calls it
I don't actually know how to get on to the BDF
Funnily it sounds like a kind of we're the real ones kind of group
Maybe they need me
Who
On my days off from working as a 60 year old kitchen porter and ex convict
Sit in the bar
Drinking beer
And listening to my playlist of "secular" songs which to me
Sound like hymns
Maybe I should join the BDF
And
Wake them off
I'm not atall out off by the inevitable challenge and rejection
It sounds like fun!

It wasn't me who
Attacked
I merely made an observation in passing
But it doesn't really matter to me to be "right"
I'm more interested in keeping my peace
Which is only maintained by being "aware" of what I'm "eating"
If you get my drift
But here's a little food for thought
3 years ago I served a prison sentence for sins I committed 25 years earlier
Read into it whatever you like
But my reality is
I've been considered as worse than a murderer
But God had a different perspective
I never made a decision for Christ
He
Made a decision for me
And there's a subtle difference in the outcome
No bible discussion here
I talk about real life
 
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It wasn't me who
Attacked
I merely made an observation in passing

But it doesn't really matter to me to be "right"
I'm more interested in keeping my peace
Which is only maintained by being "aware" of what I'm "eating"
If you get my drift


In your very first post in this thread, you said, "I won't eat of the worlds daily menus," and "Paul spells out the answer to human eating habits; there's no read need for discussion; it's not edifying."

Maybe you didn't realize this, but it comes across as very dismissive and condescending. It's like saying, "Why are you all even talking about such a worldly, pointless subject? What a waste of time!"

Why even bother answering if you saw the subject as not spiritual enough to talk about? The only real point of your post seemed to be to tell us all how we need to be more spiritual in our discussions.

And if I misinterpreted, I apologize.

And my answer is NO
To the real question
I won't eat of the worlds daily menus

One way I do this
I don't have a TV
I'm hoping that spiritual eating
Is underlying your subject
Or maybe I'm from a different planet
And the answer to that one
Is
Definitely
In the world
But not of it
Paul spells out the answer to human eating habits
There's no real need for discussion
It's not edifying


But here's a little food for thought
3 years ago I served a prison sentence for sins I committed 25 years earlier
Read into it whatever you like
But my reality is
I've been considered as worse than a murderer
But God had a different perspective
I never made a decision for Christ
He
Made a decision for me
And there's a subtle difference in the outcome
No bible discussion here
I talk about real life


Praise God for your deliverance, both spiritual, and from prison.

A long time ago, I was in a ministry that wrote to prison inmates, and it was one of the most interesting and educational time of my life. I keep in touch with someone from during that time who was in for over 20 years.

We like to talk about real life here as well.

May God continue to bless your walk with Him!
 
It's ok
Maybe you have a point
And I apologise
If the subject is important to you
I've no right to pass judgement
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
Until "the day"
 
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It's ok
Maybe you have a point
And I apologise
If the subject is important to you
I've no right to pass judgement
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
Until "the day"

No worries.

I apologize as well if I misunderstood.

Welcome to CC, and I hope to read more of your posts in the future! :)
 
hmm Ok
Would you eat....12 baskets of leftover fish and bread? The fish have been baking in the hot sun along with the bread. Also it's been handled by 5000 people some of whom haven't washed their hands.
 
Would you ever eat...dog food? Like scraps and crumbs from a table? And it's been licked and already chewed by someone else.
 
In your very first post in this thread, you said, "I won't eat of the worlds daily menus," and "Paul spells out the answer to human eating habits; there's no read need for discussion; it's not edifying."

Maybe you didn't realize this, but it comes across as very dismissive and condescending. It's like saying, "Why are you all even talking about such a worldly, pointless subject? What a waste of time!"

Why even bother answering if you saw the subject as not spiritual enough to talk about? The only real point of your post seemed to be to tell us all how we need to be more spiritual in our discussions.

And if I misinterpreted, I apologize.







Praise God for your deliverance, both spiritual, and from prison.

A long time ago, I was in a ministry that wrote to prison inmates, and it was one of the most interesting and educational time of my life. I keep in touch with someone from during that time who was in for over 20 years.

We like to talk about real life here as well.

May God continue to bless your walk with Him!
Walk???
I'm being carried
 
huh, no answer, Ok how about

Curried pizza? Would you eat ever a pizza with red curry sauce base?
 
I was in the "ministry" of satan
I know exactly what I've been saved from
I would never have chosen me in. Trillion years
But
Hey
That's amazing grace
Nothing theological
Or a line in a hymn
It's my lived reality
That's why I want to talk about what's really "real"
huh, no answer, Ok how about

Curried pizza? Would you eat ever a pizza with red curry sauce base?
I'm sorry
I only just noticed your question
Are you trying to be profound?
I really don't understand the thinking behind your question
Maybe I'm too simple!
 
No I'm not trying.
Can you answer the question?
It's in case you come over for supper and I need to know what I can cook, no point making something you won't eat.
 
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I was in the "ministry" of satan
I know exactly what I've been saved from
I would never have chosen me in. Trillion years
But
Hey
That's amazing grace
Nothing theological
Or a line in a hymn
It's my lived reality
That's why I want to talk about what's really "real"

I'm sorry
I only just noticed your question
Are you trying to be profound?
I really don't understand the thinking behind your question
Maybe I'm too simple!
And yes
I like curry and pizza
So probably give it a try
But I can't help but think
Your "humouring" me
Am I right or paranoid?
No I'm not trying.
Can you answer the question?
It's in case you come over for supper and I need to know what I can cook, no point making something you won't eat.
Ok
Now I see your humour
So to answer precisely
No
Jacket potato and salad will be ideal
 
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Wot? Oh, now it's your turn.

Oh wait, ok I see what you mean. Yes I would eat a jacket potato and salad. Depends what the salad is though. If it's a potato salad, with the jacket potato, I would say you not trying hard enough.

Would you ever eat...microwaved popcorn in a brown paper bag with real butter and salt? Or would you rather eat bought microwaved popcorn with margarine and canola oil, and sugar?
 
Oh lynx
Thanks for the warning
I'm well aware of "Christian" righteousness
I've been gifted the freedom of on my day off
Being allowed to "relax" in the pub
Drinking beer and listening to "secular" songs
Which to me
Sound like hymns
When the Son sets you free
You shall be free indeed

It's ok
Thanks for the warning
But the only real "opposition "
Is my own ego
Or the flesh as Paul calls it
I don't actually know how to get on to the BDF
Funnily it sounds like a kind of we're the real ones kind of group
Maybe they need me
Who
On my days off from working as a 60 year old kitchen porter and ex convict
Sit in the bar
Drinking beer
And listening to my playlist of "secular" songs which to me
Sound like hymns
Maybe I should join the BDF
And
Wake them off
I'm not atall out off by the inevitable challenge and rejection
It sounds like fun!

It wasn't me who
Attacked
I merely made an observation in passing
But it doesn't really matter to me to be "right"
I'm more interested in keeping my peace
Which is only maintained by being "aware" of what I'm "eating"
If you get my drift
I didn't know anybody was being attacked at all. Man, I feel so out of the loop here....

So, Michael... Is there anything you would not dare to eat, like live mealworms or a cup of squid ink or pickled fire ants or something? Is there something other people would consider outrageous that you would like to try? Is there something you would dare other people to try?
 
And yes
I like curry and pizza
So probably give it a try
But I can't help but think
Your "humouring" me
Am I right or paranoid?

Ok
Now I see your humour
So to answer precisely
No
Jacket potato and salad will be ideal
And I just asked AI about lanolin
Very clever name choice
Way too lofty for me
I'm the kind of person who listens to
The bucks fizz hit
Land of makebelieve
And sees the sheer truth of the lyrics
Maybe I need to converse on a different site???
Wot? Oh, now it's your turn.

Oh wait, ok I see what you mean. Yes I would eat a jacket potato and salad. Depends what the salad is though. If it's a potato salad, with the jacket potato, I would say you not trying hard enough.

Would you ever eat...microwaved popcorn in a brown paper bag with real butter and salt? Or would you rather eat bought microwaved popcorn with margarine and canola oil, and sugar?
Sorry
I can't help but think your making a sport of me
Whilst I'm not atall bothered
It seems to me to be a complete waste of time
Sorry
If that offends
I pray The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
I didn't know anybody was being attacked at all. Man, I feel so out of the loop here....

So, Michael... Is there anything you would not dare to eat, like live mealworms or a cup of squid ink or pickled fire ants or something? Is there something other people would consider outrageous that you would like to try? Is there something you would dare other people to try?
Oh wow
Do Christian brethren really pass the time discussing eating habits?
I do hope it's a parable that I'm not able to understand