Loss of salvation???

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So, the Gospel of grace, contrary to the the claims from works-based false salvation preaching and claims, is indeed not a teaching for living in sin and worldly comforts and pleasures

And yet these tares continue to claim that one will still go to Heaven even if they live in sin. Weird.

They teach being led of the the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord is works based salvation and as such they have to teach that Christians should NOT be led of the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord because doing that is trying to earn one's salvation.

They teach all this because the devil taught them to not accept all the Lord says in His Word which of course is how the devil deceived Adam and Eve in to rebelling against the Lord as the devil deceived them in to believing some of what the Lord says is not true.
 
Sorry
You've completely lost me
My experience of "Christianity"
Is the revelation that the enemy is within
I'm that recognition
Needing a saviour
Naturally follows
I'm not gifted in quoting chapter and verse
But what I do have is understanding
Which is so simple
Only the children can understand
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
And yet these tares continue to claim that one will still go to Heaven even if they live in sin. Weird.

They teach being led of the the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord is works based salvation and as such they have to teach that Christians should NOT be led of the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord because doing that is trying to earn one's salvation.

They teach all this because the devil taught them to not accept all the Lord says in His Word which of course is how the devil deceived Adam and Eve in to rebelling against the Lord as the devil deceived them in to believing some of what the Lord says is not true.
Sorry
We seem to be at "cross" purpose that ends in the same result
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
 
Sorry
You've completely lost me
My experience of "Christianity"
Is the revelation that the enemy is within
I'm that recognition
Needing a saviour
Naturally follows
I'm not gifted in quoting chapter and verse
But what I do have is understanding
Which is so simple
Only the children can understand
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind

Sorry
We seem to be at "cross" purpose that ends in the same result
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
It's not a glorification of living in sin
But like with Paul's famous statement
A woeful admission of everyday experience
But now
There is no condemnation
It doesn't say
Just carry on sinning and enjoy it
It says
The fact that you bemoan it
Is all the proof needed that you are regenerate
And what's more
You rely entirely on the spirit fighting the battle which you could never win
But
Here's the complication
We fight in conjunction with the spirit
I don't think you'll meet a Christian who says
Just keep on sinning
Everything will be alright
Moreover
They say
Resist it with all your might
And Even then
If you're honest
You cannot achieve perfection
And yet the very scripture you quote says
Be thou perfect
But here's the secret
It's in the trying that perfection is achieved
Peculiar I know
And not to be understood with mere human wisdom
But we have the mind of Christ
Allelujah
 
No, the Cross of Calvary does not provide Christians with the ability to go to Heaven even if they live in sin.
So explain one thing to me my friend
What is the meaning of
Let him without sin, cast the first stone
Please
Put your stones down and walk away
From a constructed argument
The Christians only responsibility at the end of the day
Is to give account of themselves
Not others
The enemy truly is within
I know that
Paul articulated it
And you
I'm sure
Underneath all the arguments about "them"
Know it too
 
But now
There is no condemnation

That's not what the Lord actually said through the Apostle Paul.

Here's what the Lord actually said:

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Only those who abide in Christ (walking after the Spirit) are not under condemnation
Those who go back to walking after the flesh are back under condemnation.

That's one of the great fallacies of the OSAS heresy is the claim that one can turn away from the Lord to live after the flesh and still be saved.

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
What the OSAS peoples won't tell you because they don't accept the validity of this is... God is NOT mocked... whatsoever a man sows, that shall He also reap he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8)

They'll agree that when one is born again they did sow to the spirit and reaped life... but then they deny and ignore the rest of Galatians 6:7-8 claiming if one sows to the flesh (sins) they do not rep corruption.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

The OSAS peoples don't know that salvation is on God's terms and what Jesus did at the Cross of Calvary... does not eliminate or do away with seedtime and harvest. God is not mocked!

Romans 2:9-11
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.


God's Word teaches we shall be judged by Our Deeds

Romans 2:6
He will judge everyone according to what they have done.

1 Peter 1:17
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in the glory of his Father and will judge all people according to their deeds.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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Put your stones down and walk away

I'm getting my information from what the Lord said in His Word and will not be departing from His Word

When God says something in sinful in His Word and someone repeats what God said in His Word they are not judging them, they are sim ply repeating judgement the Lord has already spoken of in His Word.

The deception that devil has put on many in these last days is to not accept all the Lord says in His Word which is the tactic the devil used on Adam and Eve to get them to rebel and sin against the Lord.

That tactic is being widely used today seeing so many are cherry pickers who reject the whole counsel of God.
 
Oh my
Another great sermon
Have you ever considered actually conversing with a Christian brother
Even if you don't consider me as a brother
I'm afraid you have to face all eternity in my company
We may as well get to know one another
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
 
I'm afraid you have to face all eternity in my company

God's Kingdom is quite spacious so we will not be right next to one another.

And, there's no need to be "afraid".

The "afraid" ones aren't allowed in to God's Kingdom so now would be a good time to ditch the fear

The fearful will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind
 
Oh my
Another great sermon
Have you ever considered actually conversing with a Christian brother
Even if you don't consider me as a brother
I'm afraid you have to face all eternity in my company
We may as well get to know one another
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
Or maybe consider responding to what he posted and show per point his error if it is error
 
So explain one thing to me my friend
What is the meaning of
Let him without sin, cast the first stone
Jesus did not say go and sin less He said go and sin no more to the young lady.

And then within the same breath gave her and everyone else standing there the remedy.

He says if we continue in His Word we are His disciples and we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free from sin. For He that commits sin is a servant to it. AND the servant of sin shall not abide in the house of God forever, And IF the Son shall set us free from sin, free we are indeed from sin.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So if we do not continue in His Word we are not His disciples and are a slave to sin and will not be in the House of God forever.

How many sins does it take to be a servant to sin?
 
Oh my
Another great sermon
Have you ever considered actually conversing with a Christian brother
Even if you don't consider me as a brother
I'm afraid you have to face all eternity in my company
We may as well get to know one another
May The Spirit of Pure Love fill your heart and guide your mind
Hey
Maybe you can help me
I've been wondering
What exactly does the "doctrine" of the elect actually mean in real human terms
I'm sorry
I'm maybe a mere babe in Christ
Jesus did not say go and sin less He said go and sin no more to the young lady.

And then within the same breath gave her and everyone else standing there the remedy.

He says if we continue in His Word we are His disciples and we shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set us free from sin. For He that commits sin is a servant to it. AND the servant of sin shall not abide in the house of God forever, And IF the Son shall set us free from sin, free we are indeed from sin.

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So if we do not continue in His Word we are not His disciples and are a slave to sin and will not be in the House of God forever.

How many sins does it take to be a servant to sin?
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one
I take the be thou Holy scripture seriously
But like Paul
Find myself doing what I don't want to and not doing what I do want to
This fact demonstrates many things to me
Mainly that the fact I recognise this
Is clear evidence that I'm truly saved
I don't need to prove my salvation to anyone else
You will know them by their fruits
If anyone "knew" me I'm certain there's plenty of fruit to be seen
I've experienced many denominations over the years and have never heard a single sermon even implying
Go on sinning
It'll be OK
That would be an instruction directly from the pit of hell
And in no way could ever fool the elect
Any one who would be fooled by it
Obviously doesn't have the indwelling Holy Spirit
So are not Christian
And this "teaching" would merely be speaking their language
 
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one
Then you disagreeing with Jesus. Because He said he that commits sin is a servant of sin. And the servant of sin will not abide in the House forever. But the Son forever. And if the Son shall make you free, free we are indeed.

And by the way you are severely misunderstanding Paul in Roman’s 6-8
 
Then you disagreeing with Jesus. Because He said he that commits sin is a servant of sin. And the servant of sin will not abide in the House forever. But the Son forever. And if the Son shall make you free, free we are indeed.

And by the way you are severely misunderstanding Paul in Roman’s 6-8
So are you telling me that you no longer sin
 
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So are you telling me that you no longer sin
1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
 
And yet these tares continue to claim that one will still go to Heaven even if they live in sin. Weird.

They teach being led of the the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord is works based salvation and as such they have to teach that Christians should NOT be led of the Holy Spirit being obedient to the Lord because doing that is trying to earn one's salvation.

They teach all this because the devil taught them to not accept all the Lord says in His Word which of course is how the devil deceived Adam and Eve in to rebelling against the Lord as the devil deceived them in to believing some of what the Lord says is not true.

You would have to state what it is you think the Lord commanded that is left out in the Gospel of Grace. Can you be more specific?

MM
 
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1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Sin there is a noun not a verb. We battle the sin, the flesh before it becomes a verb. We assent unto the Lord our God that sin that so easily beset us He is faithful and just to take away that sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. God is faithful. He will not suffer us to be tempted above that we through His power are able to bear but with the temptation give us the Way that we may be able to bear it. It is He that works in us both to Will and do His good pleasure.
 
So are you telling me that you no longer sin
What did Jesus say,
He said he that commits sin is a servant of sin. And the servant of sin will not abide in the House forever. But the Son forever. And if the Son shall make you free, free we are indeed.

And by the way you are severely misunderstanding Paul in Roman’s 6-8
 
Sin there is a noun not a verb. We battle the sin, the flesh before it becomes a verb. We assent unto the Lord our God that sin that so easily beset us He is faithful and just to take away that sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. God is faithful. He will not suffer us to be tempted above that we through His power are able to bear but with the temptation give us the Way that we may be able to bear it. It is He that works in us both to Will and do His good pleasure.
God does work within believers, yet the Spirit is willing put the flash is still weak. Following verse 8, verse 9 encourages confession of sins, which implies that sinful actions (manifestation of the nature) will continue to occur at some time. The difference being that children of God practice righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:9-10) Sinful behavior is no longer our lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 2:1 - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. While Christians are regenerated, they will still struggle with the presence of sin within their flesh until they receive their glorified bodies and are saved from the presence of sin?

Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, (no sinful actions) 100% of the time exactly like Jesus Christ?
 
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