Revolution in Iran

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Revelation 14:1-11

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 nd I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
 
ZNP said:
Perhaps, or perhaps you are missing a big piece of the gospel message:

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

There are few churches where these verses are taught. Most Christians don't even understand what Paul is saying. Each one of us, when we were "born again" were chosen by God to salvation through sanctification. All of Christianity teaches that we are saved by the blood of Jesus. That is true, that is a salvation from hell. But that is not the salvation through sanctification. Jesus prayed that we would be sanctified by His word. The word sanctified means to be set apart, that is a simple and easy to see sanctification. You take a loaf of bread and put it in the Holy Place, it is set apart to God. Likewise, you take a believer and you set him apart and put him into a church, in fellowship with others, going to bible studies and prayer meetings, that is to be sanctified. But sanctified also means to be made holy. The best illustration is petrified wood. Each molecule of the wood is replaced with a molecule of jasper. The wood is reconstituted and is no longer composed of carbon, but of silicon dioxide. Three atoms, one of silica, the most abundant earth element and it depicts Jesus Christ the son. Then two oxygen atoms. The first depicts God the father, the source of life and the second depicts the Holy Spirit, the breath of life. Jasper is triune, one molecule, three atoms. The way petrified wood is petrified is to be immersed into a supersaturated liquid, like being baptized into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This transformation of believers will in turn result in obtaining the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is what Paul says, if we are buried in baptism in the likeness of the Lord's death we will also be raised in the likeness of His resurrection.
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Thanks for the reply, but I don't agree with your version of the gospel, because it doesn't make any sense.
You contradicted the above verses, which says "because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation". but you say "Each one of us, when we were "born again" were chosen by God to salvation"

I'm not not sure how you arrived at the above contradiction, but it is of great concern that you can blatantly contradict the verse you just quoted. The verse say "from the beginning" but you say "wrong", it's not from the beginning because I say it's only after we are born again.

My only suggestion to you would be to join a bible study group, that is led by an elder or deacon. That way you can get the basics in order.
 
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Journey_man said:
Adolf Hitler was biblically illiterate, his hatred of the Jews had nothing to do with their religion. He was motivated by his desire to rule the world, and the Jews were an obstacle to reaching his goal. he had no interest in religion at all. He obviously never studied the bible, so he didn't know about any covenant.
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No but Hitler used religion to spread his hatred of the Jews. And the Nazis used Martin Luthers Antisemitic ideals as their defense of what they did during the Holocaust.

Nazis—including propagandist Julius Streicher at the Nuremberg trials—specifically cited Martin Luther’s virulent antisemitic writings, particularly On the Jews and Their Lies (1543), as justification for their actions and policies against Jewish people. The Nazis exploited Luther’s status as a German national hero to frame their persecution as a continuation of his legacy.
Nazi propaganda frequently referenced Luther as a "fighter against the Jewish spirit in the Christian Church".
Luther’s recommendations—including burning synagogues, confiscating Jewish literature, and banning rabbis—were seen as direct precedents for policies like Kristallnacht (1938) and the Holocaust.
During the 450th anniversary of Luther's birth, Nazis widely distributed his anti-Jewish works to reinforce their own policies.
Nazis heavily exploited the traditional, long-standing European belief that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus (the "Christ-killer" myth). This was used to create a "diabolical" image of the Jew.
The Nazi Party Program (Article 24) supported a manipulated "Positive Christianity," which removed the Old Testament and sought to present Jesus as an "Aryan hero" fighting against Jewish influence, rather than a Jewish figure.
In several speeches (notably 1939 and 1941), Hitler posed as a "prophet," arguing that it was his Christian duty to fight against Jewish "poison". He asserted that his anti-Jewish policies were defending the "handiwork of the Lord".
The Nazi movement, including the "German Christian" movement, sought to synthesize Christianity with National Socialism, creating a religious framework where supporting Nazism was equated with serving God. Ai
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes I think @ChristRoseFromTheDead has made an astute connection, dispensationalism is at its heart a denial the completed work of Christ Jesus.

To say there is something left and Christ is not the fulfillment of all..... is to deny the proclamations that He Himself.
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Quite funny to see HeIsHere hitting like on all posts of Christ Rose and it's only now she understands what he truly believes. smh So it didn't matter if she agreed, just that he was against her enemies.
 
Charlesiii said:
Although Zionists have been whining that "replacement theology lead to the Holocaust" for the past several decades, there's another worse, more recent holocaust which has been carried out in Gaza.
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The Holocaust was done with the specific intent to murder Jews and other people Hitler deemed unfit. That came from Antisemitism and Darwinism. Gaza is war and people lose their lives in war. If Israels intent was genocide the Americans wouldn't be helping them and they wouldn't send flyers and calls telling people to get out of harms way.


Charlesiii said:
The irony is that this holocaust was indeed caused by a dispensationalist replacement theology, which substitutes Pharisees in place of Christians as God's Chosen People.
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Replacement theology, or supersessionism, is the belief that the Christian church has replaced national Israel as God’s chosen people, fulfilling the promises made to Israel in the Hebrew Bible. It teaches that the church inherits the covenants, while Israel has been set aside due to rejecting Jesus. Ai

If you're going to discuss a topic you need to know what it means first.


Charlesiii said:
In an ironic way, the Zionist lie has finally come true - Zionists are the new Nazis.
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Since you won't take my say so... Comparing Zionism to Nazism is a highly contentious form of rhetoric known as Holocaust inversion, which accuses Jews or Israelis of being "new Nazis". This analogy is widely considered a form of antisemitism because it equates Jewish self-determination with the ideology that murdered six million Jews. The comparison is often used to vilify Israel and has been rising, especially during conflicts, to portray Jewish people as oppressors, causing surges in antisemitic harassment. Ai
 
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Journey_man said:
Thanks for the reply, but I don't agree with your version of the gospel, because it doesn't make any sense.
You contradicted the above verses, which says "because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation". but you say "Each one of us, when we were "born again" were chosen by God to salvation"

I'm not not sure how you arrived at the above contradiction, but it is of great concern that you can blatantly contradict the verse you just quoted. The verse say "from the beginning" but you say "wrong", it's not from the beginning because I say it's only after we are born again.

My only suggestion to you would be to join a bible study group, that is led by an elder or deacon. That way you can get the basics in order.
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Clearly not everyone is chosen to salvation. Satan isn't, the fallen angels aren't, and those who go to hell aren't. If no one goes to hell then the threat of hell is empty. I am not God and you aren't God. I have no idea who was chosen to salvation, so I assume everyone has the chance and I preach the gospel to everyone. However, if you are born again then obviously you are chosen to salvation. Does that help?
 
HeIsHere said:
The Pharisees were looking for a carnal fulfillment and did not understand the types and shadows because they were blinded by their own agenda.

Yes I think @ChristRoseFromTheDead has made an astute connection, dispensationalism is at its heart a denial the completed work of Christ Jesus.

To say there is something left and Christ is not the fulfillment of all..... is to deny the proclamations that He Himself.

I also have you do not to deal with the various statements made by Paul like Romans 2:29.

Contrary to the dispensationalists’ structuring of redemptive history into several dispensations......

the Bible establishes the basic divisions of redemptive history into the old covenant, and the new covenant (Luke 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25; 2 Cor 3:6; Heb 8:8; 9:15), even declaring that the “new covenant … has made the first obsolete.
But whatever is becoming obsolete is ready to disappear” (Heb 8:13).
(Ken Gentry, Jerry Johnson)
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It is you and your crew that does not understand the types/shadows/mnemonics/object lessons given in the following accounts:

-Naomi
-Gomer
-Josephs brothers
-initial rejection of David as king, later a conquering king of all nations
-Jobs restoration
-Samsons love for his philistine wife

And many many other examples.

Oh and BTW, the Matthew 12 "unpardonable sin" was the rejection of the Messiah by the NATION.
The fact of which I have already proven by the concise comprehensive words of Jesus Himself.
And again, the Bible is clear that there will be a FUTURE for the NATION Israel predicated upon their NATIONAL repentance and acceptance of their King Messiah Jesus.

Nope, it is the latter day self-absorbed trivial Church that has failed to rightly comprehend these Biblical truths.
The leaven of the despising and denying the promised redemption of the Jews is everywhere today, and is IMO the
reason for this blindness to these truths. Willful blindness BTW.
 
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cv5 said:
It is you and your crew that does not understand the types/shadows/mnemonics/object lessons given in the following accounts:

-Naomi
-Gomer
-Josephs brothers
-initial rejection of David as king, later a conquering king of all nations
-Jobs restoration
-Samsons love for his philistine wife

And many many other examples.

Oh and BTW, the Matthew 12 "unpardonable sin" was the rejection of the Messiah by the NATION.
The fact of which I have already proven by the concise comprehensive words of Jesus Himself.
And again, the Bible is clear that there will be a FUTURE for the NATION Israel predicated upon their NATIONAL acceptance.

Nope, it is the latter day self-absorbed trivial Church that has failed to rightly comprehend these Biblical truths.
The leaven of the despising and denying the promised redemption of the Jews is everywhere today, and is IMO the
reason for this blindness to these truths. Willful blindness BTW.
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You have done some really good work here either digging this out for yourself or compiling what others have done. There are those of us really interested in what you are doing. I wish you would put all that you have done on this subject into one paper. It could be a pdf, or you could post it 10,000 characters at a time on a blog you create, or in my blog on the rapture.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The Pharisees were looking for a carnal fulfillment and did not understand the types and shadows because they were blinded by their own agenda.

Yes I think @ChristRoseFromTheDead has made an astute connection, dispensationalism is at its heart a denial the completed work of Christ Jesus.

To say there is something left and Christ is not the fulfillment of all..... is to deny the proclamations that He Himself.

I also have you do not to deal with the various statements made by Paul like Romans 2:29.

Contrary to the dispensationalists’ structuring of redemptive history into several dispensations......

the Bible establishes the basic divisions of redemptive history into the old covenant, and the new covenant (Luke 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25; 2 Cor 3:6; Heb 8:8; 9:15), even declaring that the “new covenant … has made the first obsolete.
But whatever is becoming obsolete is ready to disappear” (Heb 8:13).
(Ken Gentry, Jerry Johnson)
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These two passages alone destroy every ridiculous replacement theology notion there ever was or ever will be:

Luk 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
cv5 said:
It is you and your crew that does not understand the types/shadows/mnemonics/object lessons given in the following accounts:

-Naomi
-Gomer
-Josephs brothers
-initial rejection of David as king, later a conquering king of all nations
-Jobs restoration
-Samsons love for his philistine wife

And many many other examples.

Oh and BTW, the Matthew 12 "unpardonable sin" was the rejection of the Messiah by the NATION.
The fact of which I have already proven by the concise comprehensive words of Jesus Himself.
And again, the Bible is clear that there will be a FUTURE for the NATION Israel predicated upon their NATIONAL repentance and acceptance of their King Messiah Jesus.

Nope, it is the latter day self-absorbed trivial Church that has failed to rightly comprehend these Biblical truths.
The leaven of the despising and denying the promised redemption of the Jews is everywhere today, and is IMO the
reason for this blindness to these truths. Willful blindness BTW.
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I did notice you still have not dealt with Romans 2:29 and the various other verses which are congruent with it.

Christ Jesus fulfilled all the earthly types, this is the inescapable message in the letter to the Hebrews.
 
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cv5 said:
These two passages alone destroy every ridiculous replacement theology notion there ever was or ever will be:

Luk 13:34
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Straw man, do better, it is fulfillment theology.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I did notice you still have not dealt with Romans 2:29 and the various other verses which are congruent with it.

Christ Jesus fulfilled all the earthly types, this is the inescapable message in the letter to the Hebrews.
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You literally have no idea of what you are talking about in terms of eschatology.
And vague notions of Jesus is not the cure for the malady of replacement theology nuttery.
 
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