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Frankly, anyone who chooses to excise Ezekiel chapters 40 thru 48 from the record and throw them in the trash can because they chafe against their prejudices is not to be taken seriously.
And why would any serious Bible student dismiss an earnest typological study of Naomi and Gomer by contemptuously hurling pejoratives such as these?
@ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
"This is Gomer Pyle eschatology. Shazaam!"
Speaking of the fact of the pre-trib rapture.....
The verse of Revelation 3:10 is a cornerstone for eschatological study, specifically regarding the timing of the "hour of trial." To understand it deeply, we have to peel back the layers of the Greek text, focusing on the syntax and the specific idioms used.
1. The Greek Text
ὅτι ἐτήρησας τὸν λόγον τῆς ὑπομονῆς μου, κἀγώ σε τηρήσω ἐκ τῆς ὥρας τοῦ πειρασμοῦ τῆς μελλούσης ἔρχεσθαι ἐπὶ τῆς οἰκουμένης ὅλης, πειράσαι τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς.
2. "The Word of My Patience" (ton logon tēs hypomonēs mou)
This phrase is the pivot of the verse. In English, it sounds like a command to be patient, but the Greek genitive structure suggests something more profound.
Logos (λόγον): While usually translated as "word," in this context, it refers to the message, teaching, or instruction.
Hypomonē (ὑπομονῆς): This is more than passive "patience." It is steadfast endurance or "remaining under" a heavy load without breaking.
The Genitive Construction: Tēs hypomonēs mou (of my endurance) is likely an Attributive Genitive.
The True Meaning
The "word of my patience" essentially means "the message of my [Christ’s] patient endurance." It refers to the Gospel message that centers on how Christ Himself endured the cross and hostility. The believers in Philadelphia didn't just "wait"; they modeled their endurance after the specific kind of endurance Christ exhibited during His earthly ministry. You aren't just being patient; you are keeping the instruction to endure as He did.
3. "I Will Keep Thee From" (tērēsō ek)
Tērēsō (τηρήσω): To guard, observe, or preserve.
Ek (ἐκ): A preposition meaning "out of" or "from."
Exemption FROM (Pre-tribulation view): Proponents argue that if John meant "keep through," he would have used the preposition dia. By using ek (out of), it implies a removal from the very "hour" (time) of the trial, not just the trial itself.
4. "The Hour of Temptation" (tēs hōras tou peirasmou)
The Greek doesn't just say "the temptation," but "the hour" (tēs hōras).
The Scope: The text defines this "hour" as mellousēs erchesthai (about to come) upon the oikoumenēs holēs (the whole inhabited world).
The Purpose: Peirasai (to test/try). The verb is an infinitive of purpose. The "hour" exists specifically to test "those who dwell on the earth."
Note on "Earth-Dwellers": In Revelation, the phrase tous katoikountas epi tēs gēs (those who dwell on the earth) is a technical term. It almost always refers to the unredeemed—those who are "at home" in the world and hostile to God.
The "Deep Dive" Conclusion
The verse sets up a reciprocal relationship. Because the believers "kept" (etērēsas) the word of Christ's endurance, Christ will "keep" (tērēsō) them from the coming period of global testing.
The "word of my patience" is the believers' commitment to the lifestyle of Christ—refusing to compromise despite social or political pressure. The promise is that their specific endurance in a local context (Philadelphia) grants them exemption from a future, universal period of trial designed to judge the Christ-rejecting world.
Very interesting, what is that black website you get these news from? Telegram ?
Yes this is what I see as well. All the examples of Israel doing something evil are to be expected, of course, they are sinners. The point is at the second coming some will believe and mourn, thats all it is, to me atleast.
Yes, Telegram. I would post the links, but since this forum doesn't embed Telegram posts so that they're viewable here I make screenshots so they are viewable without having to click on a link. It's black because I have my browser set to a dark theme because it's easier on my eyes.
Can you please tell me how can I get to this telegram? I want to read more about this
I browse numerous accounts. I'll post some links with the screenshots in the future. Some accounts are pretty foul (but they have good info occasionally), so I'd prefer not to post them here.
This is the link from the post you thought was interesting. This is a really good account, btw. Proliic poster, interesting stuff, not offensive, not noticeably politically biased. Just click the link at the top to go to its channel feed, and then click Preview channel
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Why the apostasy must come first.
Luke 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
The church in Laodicea is where Jesus is "cast out of the vineyard". He is outside knocking. This is what happened in the US. The mayflower compact dedicated this land to the Lord, and in the last hundred years they have cast him out of every aspect of the country. Apostasy is to depart from the Lord who is the incarnated word of God. This is what the government has done and it is also what many "churches" have done.
16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
This is why the apostasy must come first, it is what prompts the day of the Lord, the day of judgment on this earth.
17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
In all three synoptic gospels they have this parable of the unrighteous tenants and they quote the verse about the stone which the builders rejected becoming the head of the corner. But in Matthew and Mark it concludes "and it is marvelous in our eyes". Only in Luke does it conclude with "whoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken and whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."
The three synoptic gospels apply to three specific groups, Matthew is to the Jews being saved as a nation, Mark to the left behind Christians during the tribulation and Luke to those who are raptured before the tribulation. In all three cases the path of salvation is very similar, which is why these three gospels are very similar. However, there are specific distinctions in these gospels which give us clues as to the distinction prior to the tribulation, during it, and the end of it. All three gospels say that Jesus Christ is the cornerstone and the "builders" rejected Him. But which builders? Are we talking about global elites like Pharaohs and Kings? Are we talking about the Jewish religious leaders who rejected Jesus? Or are we talking about the apostasy at the end of the age with Christianity and Laodicea? This is an important question before the rapture because you will have these three groups. But after the rapture the Antichrist will be revealed, the ones who are in direct rebellion with the Lord, they know what they are doing, and they are not savable. Genuine Christians who are left behind will then fall into one of two categories. Some have "stumbled over Jesus". He is the stone of stumbling. Think about all these ones who are horrified at what has happened to Gaza. They are stumbling at "righteous judgement of God". God is merciful, He is long suffering, but He is also righteous and the day will come when He will judge. We do not know the full story, we are not omniscient, God is. As a result we may think the judgement is too severe, but that is simply because we do not know men's hearts and we don't know the full story. But then there are also those on whom this stone falls and grinds them to powder. That is very similar to a mill stone which grinds grain into flour. I heard this testimony of a man, Ron Archer, who went through horrific experiences as a child, tried to kill himself, but he got saved and has since planted many churches impacting millions of people. Jesus Christ is the savior, if you come into contact with the savior you will be saved. That includes those who stumble on Him and those on whom He falls.
So then in this parable of the unrighteous tenants we see four groups of people. First, we see the unrighteous tenants, they will be miserably destroyed and the vineyard will be taken from them and given to others. The rulers of this age will be cast down and the Christians have been trained to rule and reign and replace them. The second group refers to Jesus and all the "sent ones" who were sent to the unrighteous tenants to collect rent. These are those who are raptured. In Matthew and Mark they both saw the rapture and it was marvelous in their eyes. What they didn't see was that these ones were broken or ground into powder. That is the process of being saved. However, the raptured ones see this and are giving a testimony that this is the path to salvation and it is the path that those who are left behind will take. The tribulation is a time where you will be ground to powder, and you will be broken.
Luke 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
The church in Laodicea is where Jesus is "cast out of the vineyard". He is outside knocking. This is what happened in the US. The mayflower compact dedicated this land to the Lord, and in the last hundred years they have cast him out of every aspect of the country. Apostasy is to depart from the Lord who is the incarnated word of God. This is what the government has done and it is also what many "churches" have done.
16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
This is why the apostasy must come first, it is what prompts the day of the Lord, the day of judgment on this earth.
17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
In all three synoptic gospels they have this parable of the unrighteous tenants and they quote the verse about the stone which the builders rejected becoming the head of the corner. But in Matthew and Mark it concludes "and it is marvelous in our eyes". Only in Luke does it conclude with "whoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken and whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."
The three synoptic gospels apply to three specific groups, Matthew is to the Jews being saved as a nation, Mark to the left behind Christians during the tribulation and Luke to those who are raptured before the tribulation. In all three cases the path of salvation is very similar, which is why these three gospels are very similar. However, there are specific distinctions in these gospels which give us clues as to the distinction prior to the tribulation, during it, and the end of it. All three gospels say that Jesus Christ is the cornerstone and the "builders" rejected Him. But which builders? Are we talking about global elites like Pharaohs and Kings? Are we talking about the Jewish religious leaders who rejected Jesus? Or are we talking about the apostasy at the end of the age with Christianity and Laodicea? This is an important question before the rapture because you will have these three groups. But after the rapture the Antichrist will be revealed, the ones who are in direct rebellion with the Lord, they know what they are doing, and they are not savable. Genuine Christians who are left behind will then fall into one of two categories. Some have "stumbled over Jesus". He is the stone of stumbling. Think about all these ones who are horrified at what has happened to Gaza. They are stumbling at "righteous judgement of God". God is merciful, He is long suffering, but He is also righteous and the day will come when He will judge. We do not know the full story, we are not omniscient, God is. As a result we may think the judgement is too severe, but that is simply because we do not know men's hearts and we don't know the full story. But then there are also those on whom this stone falls and grinds them to powder. That is very similar to a mill stone which grinds grain into flour. I heard this testimony of a man, Ron Archer, who went through horrific experiences as a child, tried to kill himself, but he got saved and has since planted many churches impacting millions of people. Jesus Christ is the savior, if you come into contact with the savior you will be saved. That includes those who stumble on Him and those on whom He falls.
So then in this parable of the unrighteous tenants we see four groups of people. First, we see the unrighteous tenants, they will be miserably destroyed and the vineyard will be taken from them and given to others. The rulers of this age will be cast down and the Christians have been trained to rule and reign and replace them. The second group refers to Jesus and all the "sent ones" who were sent to the unrighteous tenants to collect rent. These are those who are raptured. In Matthew and Mark they both saw the rapture and it was marvelous in their eyes. What they didn't see was that these ones were broken or ground into powder. That is the process of being saved. However, the raptured ones see this and are giving a testimony that this is the path to salvation and it is the path that those who are left behind will take. The tribulation is a time where you will be ground to powder, and you will be broken.
Thanks I joined it, can you message me on tele, cant DM people on this forum: https://t.me/foilingessI browse numerous accounts. I'll post some links with the screenshots in the future. Some accounts are pretty foul (but they have good info occasionally), so I'd prefer not to post them here.
This is the link from the post you thought was interesting. This is a really good account, btw. Proliic poster, interesting stuff, not offensive, not noticeably politically biased. Just click the link at the top to go to its channel feed, and then click Preview channel
Cyberspec News
❗️— Iran attacked a climate altering centre in the UAE during the initial stages of the war US climate weapons against Iran 🔻— Dr. Fatima Saad Al-Hasani, a researcher at the University of Oregon (USA): When Iran attacked a secret cloud-seeding and weather control center in the UAE, it...
Since I really don't believe in luck, let me rephrase. I should have said, I seriously doubt anyone repents so I hope you enjoy the banter. Or, in short, have fun. I enjoy it and probably admire it. God bless
What is unreal is replacement theology.
Do these passages meld seamlessly into your "theories" regarding eschatology and soteriology and Israelology?
Rhetorical question. Of course they don't.
But they do fit marvelously into the CORRECT eschatological framework.
This would be the framework to which I adhere, a result of thousands of hours of research and analysis.
Rev 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5
Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6
Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8
Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
God used a lot of nations for the purpose of judgement. None of these judgements were permanent.
In fact, due to the eternal covenants and promises made long before any of these judgements, it is quite IMPOSSIBLE for "permanent judgements" to exist in terms of the people and nation of Israel.
Nor will the 70AD judgement be permanent. Because you see, the Nation Israel will be redeemed, and the millennial temple will be erected ex post facto the Second Coming. And King Jesus will reign over the house of Jacob forever.
So then, if you are able, exegete for us your view of Luke 1:33 in terms of your notions of a permanent irreversible 70AD judgement.
Luk 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Jhn 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Jer 3:17
At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
Zec 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Those are not the 12 tribes of natural Israel. Neither Joseph nor Levi were part of the 12 tribes; and Dan and Ephraim are missing from that list. Therefore, those must be the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel, of which membership is by God's choice and has nothing to do with ethnicity or physical lineage.
On the contrary, it is replacement theology that is garbage.
Oh, and BTW, this passage is quite unequivocal and beyond refutation:
The House of Jacob will indeed last forever.
And no, despite your strident protestations, prophecy cannot be so easily broken as you insidiously imply.
And you foolishly thought that the nation Israel terminated at 70AD?
Luk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
So then what did you think? That it is YOUR name that will be emblazoned on these gates forever?
Rev 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: