Loss of salvation???

[Jmzion]

That's a good question. Looking at the wording of that verse carefully, notice that it instructs that we work OUT...meaning outwardly from ourselves in the Greek...not work TWORD or FOR our salvation since that's a gift not earned nor maintained. It does not speak at all toward some means for maintenance of salvation. In the midst of our salvation, we work outwardly FROM our salvation the good works, very much akin to what James stated in chapter two of that book written to the twelve tribes of Israel.



Would you clarify your meaning about this for us? Thanks.


Agreed.



I disagree because of what appears to be your misunderstanding of what Paul was saying up there in Philippians.



That's a valid concern toward people I don't think I have ever met. It's not about NOT doing anything. Doing good works as an outflow from our salvation is empowered through the sanctifying work of Holy Spirit within the truly saved individual. The problem arises when people think that their good works are somehow a supplement or a causal power FOR their salvation, they are believing in another gospel preached to them by the accursed.



Works-based salvation, which includes works-based maintenance of salvation are both false on every level under the Gospel of Grace.



Yes, but he was not talking about building one's salvation. Good works are the conduit through which we store up treasure, reward in Heaven, not supplementing our salvation here.



Nobody ever suggested NOT doing good works. That's a manic injection from those out there who invent in the minds of others inferior things that those other people never said.



That goes hand-in-hand with the adoptions of the false, works-based system of salvational maintenance. When one is SEALED by Holy Spirit, one is sealed...period. One cannot become unborn again, that seal cannot be broken without injecting that concept into the scriptures where it is nowhere stated in relation to us today, and the Lord will never forfeit His own Spirit by taking away salvation from even one soul.

MM

One you have to put your self in the story of the gospels. There is strict training and development before the Holy Spirit comes. When you read the pages it is easy to jump ahead of the process. The Holy Spirit can not and will not dwell where there is sin. There is a work that requires striving to enter into the rest of God. Many claim to be born again because of a mere prayer. Baby does not come out until it is formed. I do not understand where people think in an instant a baby just develops. Jesus said in John 3 that if we do not understand earthly things how can we understand heavenly things. Embryo to a baby takes time. Seed to a tree takes time. Leaven rising takes time working out. It is easy to jump to works based faith assumption. Let me ask you a question than. How does a seed become a tree? How then does an embryo become a baby? Just sit and confess? Do absolutely nothing?

1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Notice here that it mentions and also states in other translations that the righteous barely saved…..means it requires something. There needs to be a cleansing on the inside cup. There needs to be a crushing of the seed. There need to be nutrients that grow our spirit and now our minds. That which is flesh is flesh and that which is of the spirit is Spirit. I once too believed the gospel of grace according to man’s traditions and thinking but now I follow the gospel of the kingdom which sets men free. Love you brother.

Can I ask you a question? Do you really want to know truth? Is it you believe you already know it and are closed minded? If you truly are seeking truth and not your truth then you will see. Not everyone who says lord lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who the will of my father.

 

[JayWalker]

The Holy Spirit can not and will not dwell where there is sin.

Which is why "once saved always saved" is false doctrine

 

[Jmzion]

Which is why "once saved always saved" is false doctrine

Correct. It is a false doctrine. There needs to be a cleansing of the inside of the cup and change of nature in the tree for the Holy Spirit to come dwelling. John 14:23. There is a process that people want to skip and crucify the flesh. Only when we let Jesus wash us and cleanse us fully will we be a vessel unto honor and be filled. I look at the gospels as training. Many people read John and a passage that says I call you friends…..misquote it. He was not talking to us but to his disciples who spent time with him. Like right now if I said JayWalker is my best friend it would be weird because we do not know each other. We must come to know Him John 17:3. Develop a relationship and become his friend. I see that it is easy to read through the gospels and miss basic things. There was a discipleship part and training that if we look closely in the gospels Jesus as a potter worked on them and prepared them for Acts 2. God also uses images and stories to tell a deeper meaning called allegories. There is so much to scripture and richness it is like taking a shovel and digging and at first you just get surface than go deeper you will find the gems.

 

[JayWalker]

There needs to be a cleansing of the inside

Yep, there is the need to renew the mind and grow spiritually:

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Peter 1:22
Our souls are purified in obeying the truth

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[Qt]

Yes, the very Jesus who also said:

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

MM

That was before His resurrection. After His resurrection and He commissioned the disciples to go and teach ALL nations whatsoever He commanded them, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

They taught what Jesus taught them.

So they taught baptism.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[JayWalker]

That was before His resurrection. After His resurrection and He commissioned the disciples to go and teach ALL nations whatsoever He commanded them, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Matthew 28:19,20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[rogerg]

Can a once truly saved believer backslide too much and lose the gift of salvation? If so do they need to repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ again? Thoughts are welcome and scripture too!

Jesus Christ alone is the Savior: man cannot save himself. Everything necessary to bestow salvation upon His chosen and to keep them saved was fully and perfectly accomplished by Christ on their behalf. This salvation is given as a gift, stemming from His immense mercy and grace—not from human effort or works—through Christ the Savior, according to the Father's will. The significance of the title "Savior" is that it describes someone who alone accomplished their rescue; therefore, it logically follows that salvation is wholly the work of Christ, without any contribution from those whom He saves - and that's what makes it by grace and excludes any possibility that salvation can be lost.

As seen in Titus 3:4-7 (quoted below), the passage emphasizes that salvation is entirely God's work. It explains that God saves not because of righteous deeds we have done, but according to His mercy—through the cleansing and renewal brought by the Holy Spirit, poured out abundantly through Jesus Christ, Savior.
In 1 Pe 1:2-5 (also quoted below), we see that we are freely justified by His grace being made heirs of eternal life. God has made Himself guarantor to ensure this unfolds according to His promise and that human effort plays no part in it: all is accomplished strictly by God's initiative and generosity.
So, to summarize, salvation, and remaining saved, are entirely by God through Jesus Christ, Savior, none of it by man.

[Tit 3:4-7 KJV]

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
As can be seen in 1Pe 1:2-5, God has made Himself sole guarantor that those whom He saves remain saved unto the end of time.

[1Pe 1:2-5 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

[sawdust]

The only way to a resurrection is through death.

Not true, some will never die.

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—

 

[JayWalker]

Jesus Christ alone is the Savior: man cannot save himself

Relax, nobody is saying man can saved himself.

Everything necessary to bestow salvation upon His chosen and to keep them saved was fully and perfectly accomplished by Christ on their behalf.

The Lord cannot save anybody without their participation because God created man in His Own Image which means man has free will so God cannot force salvation upon anybody.

If what you are saying is true then that means it's God's fault so many people go to hell because God forgot to "elect" them.

In other words, calvinism is not biblical and is in face doctrines of demons that one must reject large portions of scripture to believe.

One must be a cherry picker to be a calvinist.

it logically follows that salvation is wholly the work of Christ, without any contribution from those whom He saves

Only if one is following the devil's logic which requires then to not accept the whole counsel of God.

John 6:28,29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom he hath sent.

If we were to do nothing, the Jesus would have corrected them and told them "you heretics, quit trying to earn your salvation!" But that's NOT what Jesus told them.

Here are things God's Word tells us we must DO... to be saved:

*We must believe

John 6:28,29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom he hath sent.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

*We must Repent

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

*We must Hear God's Word / Receive and Accept God's Word

Luke 8:12
Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

*Confess Your Sins

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

*Confess with your Mouth that Jesus is Lord

Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

*Turn from Your Self Righteousness / Humble Yourself

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.


And of course the calvinists will come along and claim these things God said in His Word are not true which is their way of saying God is a liar and God should have listened to John Calvin and other reformers.

 

[Journey_man]

Yep, there is the need to renew the mind and grow spiritually:

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Peter 1:22
Our souls are purified in obeying the truth

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Gods Word proves that your interpretation of the above verses is false, because God does not contradict Himself.
The following verses confirm that man is unable to clean up his life, and make it acceptable for the Holy Spirit to indwell him.
The opposite is true, The Holy Spirit indwells murderers and adulterers and every other kind of sinner, and it is He who does the cleaning and transforming, and not the sinner as you're suggesting.
Ephesians 2:1, 5 & Colossians 2:13: Describe humanity as "dead in trespasses" until God intervenes, arguing that dead individuals cannot act or believe on their own.
Psalm 51:5 & 58:3: Indicate that sinful nature and estrangement from God exist from birth, rather than developing later.
Job 14:4 & John 3:6: Emphasize that fallen human nature ("flesh") cannot produce spiritual purity or faith.
Romans 3:10-12 & 8:7-8: These passages state that, apart from God, no one seeks Him and the natural mind is hostile toward Him.
1 Corinthians 2:14: Notes that the "natural person" cannot understand spiritual truths.
John 8:34: Describes humanity without divine intervention as "slaves to sin," lacking the capacity to choose righteousness.

 

[JayWalker]

Gods Word proves that your interpretation of the above verses is false

No, you just don't have ears to hear having been brainwashed with the false doctrine of the calvinist leaning ear ticklers

 

[Journey_man]

No, you just don't have ears to hear having been brainwashed with the false doctrine of the calvinist leaning ear ticklers

None of you Arminian's, have ever found a single biblical fault with Calvinism. All you can do is attack the man, because he exposed your Arminianism as unbiblical theology.

 

[Qt]

Apart from Jesus we would not experience the newbirth but do you have a personal testimony on how you came to receive Jesus in order to experience the newbirth?

Yes and I would love to share it and do, but I hesitate here in this venue.

 

[Jmzion]

Not true, some will never die.

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—

Read in context. There is a death through the cross dealing with our flesh. There is physical death. In context this is talking about those who are asleep and blinded in darkness. Then the next part is we all need to be changed. In that same chapter it mentions sowing in natural to reap a spiritual. We must all take up our cross and put to death the old man. People who are sleeping do not see. Consider the parable of 10 virgins. 5 trimmed their lamps they added oil while other 5 were unwise and did not see or know when the bridegroom came so they were not ready. To awake is to putt off the old and put on the new and we will arise from spiritual death.

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

 

[rogerg]

The Lord cannot save anybody without their participation because God created man in His Own Image which means man has free will so God cannot force salvation upon anybody.

If what you are saying is true then that means it's God's fault so many people go to hell because God forgot to "elect" them.

In other words, calvinism is not biblical and is in face doctrines of demons that one must reject large portions of scripture to believe.

One must be a cherry picker to be a calvinist.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Only if one is following the devil's logic which requires then to not accept the whole counsel of God.

John 6:28,29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom he hath sent.

If we were to do nothing, the Jesus would have corrected them and told them "you heretics, quit trying to earn your salvation!" But that's NOT what Jesus told them.

Here are things God's Word tells us we must DO... to be saved:

*We must believe

The verse you quoted clearly states that to obtain true belief is of God's work not man's. It only comes from first being saved: it is effect, not cause.

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

*We must Repent

The "whosoever(s)" of the verse are God's elect. See the above to understand who will truly believe.
You assume the wrong world. That verse is referring to the world to come, not this current world. Christ is
not Savior of that which will be destroyed but of the eternal - whatever He is Savior of, that has He has made eternal. He did not make Himself Savior of this world as is evidenced by the fact that it will, beyond question, be destroyed.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV] 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[2Pe 3:10-13 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and
godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the
elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

True repentance is a gift that accompanies, and comes from, salvation. It does not cause salvation.
It is manifested in the turning away from a belief/trust in our own works of righteousness for salvation, unto a complete trust
in Christ alone as THE Savior and in what He achieved, for our salvation.

[Rom 2:4 KJV] 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
[2Ti 2:25 KJV] 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

*Confess with your Mouth that Jesus is Lord

To truly "confess", the Truth it must first exist within us:

[1Jo 1:8 KJV] 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

To truly "believe in thine heart", one must first be given a new heart by God that gives true belief; the old heart is completely
deceitful and sinful.

[Jer 17:9 KJV] 9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And as the verse you quoted correctly states, "ye must be converted". That means one's conversion occurs by a force external to themselves, namely, by God. Spiritually, a person cannot convert themselves - that is what it means to become born-again.

And of course the calvinists will come along and claim these things God said in His Word are not true which is their way of saying God is a liar and God should have listened to John Calvin and other reformers.

Apparently, you didn't comprehend the verses of my prior post. They are quite clear and beyond dispute. I didn't manufacture them; they came directly from the Bible. In fact, regarding the gospel's message, they are as clear as anything can be. It is very odd to me that you either can't or won't accept them as written given your propensity to quote scripture.
Observe that nowhere in them is mentioned any actions required by man he must perform to become saved. It is all exclusively by God the Father, and by Jesus Christ, the Savior

[Tit 3:4-7 KJV]
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[JayWalker]

None of you Arminian's, have ever found a single biblical fault with Calvinism

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

If we all use the logic of the calvinists universalism would be true because of "by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." (universalism is false doctrine)

Calvinists focus on the first part of verse 19 and totally ignore the second part which is how carnal minded men roll ya know.

The verse you quoted clearly states that to obtain true belief is of God's work not man's

And the part you missed is man must choose to receive it and if they don't then God cannot work in them

The "whosoever(s)" of the verse are God's elect.

Yes, speaking of whosoever chooses to believe.

Calvinists claim salvation is only for few so they ignore the "whosoever" part since it doesn't fit in with their heresy

True repentance is a gift that accompanies, and comes from, salvation. It does not cause salvation.

And yet if one does not repent they do not obtain salvation

One cannot be saved while living in sin. They must turn away from the power of the devil

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Notice "that they may receive"

The calvinists ignore this part

[1Jo 1:8 KJV] 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

That's not speaking about those that have yet to choose to believe the gospel and get born again.

1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... 1 John 1:10 says "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us"

The very next verse tells us if we confess our sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???

That means one's conversion occurs by a force external to themselves

Only in the mind of those pushing calvinist heresy

One chooses to believe than then God's Word enters therm thru the Holy Ghost Who does the conversion INSIDE their heart

Apparently, you didn't comprehend the verses of my prior post.

I'm not a part of the calvinist cult so I'm not being taught by fallen spirits who reject large portions of God's Word teaching people to be cherry pickers

 

[rogerg]

f we all use the logic of the calvinists universalism would be true because of "by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." (universalism is false doctrine)

Calvinists focus on the first part of verse 19 and totally ignore the second part which is how carnal minded men roll ya know.

And the part you missed is man must choose to receive it and if they don't then God cannot work in them

Read it again. It doesn't say that. It says, "by the obedience of one many shall be made righteous", nothing about man having to accept anything. You've added to the verse something that it doesn't state. Not a good thing to do.

es, speaking of whosoever chooses to believe.

Calvinists claim salvation is only for few so they ignore the "whosoever" part since it doesn't fit in with their heresy

Not worthy for me to comment on.

And yet if one does not repent they do not obtain salvation

No. They first must become saved by God's grace alone through Jesus Christ, Savior, and with that, from God's mercy, comes repentance - guess you didn't understand those verses either. Christ is Savior, man is not. That's the part you seem to have a problem with - but to correctly understand the gospel it is very important that you do. Until then, none of your conclusions will be correct.
At this point, you should go back to Scripture, research the word "savior" (or "saviour" in the KJV), understand all that it actually means along with what it implies, and who the Savior is. Should you do so and are able to understand it, we can discuss further then - it really doesn't make sense to dialogue with you given that you do not yet know the basics.

 

[sawdust]

Read in context. There is a death through the cross dealing with our flesh. There is physical death. In context this is talking about those who are asleep and blinded in darkness. Then the next part is we all need to be changed. In that same chapter it mentions sowing in natural to reap a spiritual. We must all take up our cross and put to death the old man. People who are sleeping do not see. Consider the parable of 10 virgins. 5 trimmed their lamps they added oil while other 5 were unwise and did not see or know when the bridegroom came so they were not ready. To awake is to putt off the old and put on the new and we will arise from spiritual death.

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

It is speaking of those who are physically dead at the moment of the resurrection of the Church. If they were asleep, as in blinded and in darkness, they would not be a part of the resurrection.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

 

[Qt]

You are collapsing Paul's categories. Romans 8:13 isn't a warning that brethren" might lose salvation, it's the conclusion of the 2 realms Paul has already defined. Those who are in the flesh will die because they are in the flesh (Romans 8:8-9) & those who are in the Spirit will live because the Spirit dwells in them (Romans 8:9-11).

No. If is a condition particle. If Ye, you or I live after the flesh, ye, you or I will die. But if ye, you or I live after the Spirit and mortify the deeds of the Body ye, you and I shall live
He is speaking to everyone, everyone has a choice as to how they live and their choice through God's Spirit determines whether they live or die.

Couple that with the fact that the word therefore in verse 12 is a marker of an inference made on the basis of what precedes in verse 11. It is being said relation to the fact that He shall also quicken our mortal bodies if the Spirit dwells in us. Therefore, because of that we are debtors, under present obligation to live not according to the flesh. For if ye, you or I, live after the flesh ye, we, you or I will be about to die. But IF ye, you or I through the Spirit mortifying the deeds of the Body ye, you and I shall live.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.