Mar 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
4th nonresponse to common sense Scripture
The "Secret Rapture" is a False Doctrine.
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And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
4th nonresponse to common sense Scripture
4 nonresponses to common sense Scripture, 2 lies added to Scripture, 1 half lie changing Scripture, 2 assumptions inserted into Scripture, and now 1 half truth diminishing Scripture, 1 lie taking away from Scripture, and now first lie rejecting Scripture quoted.
I.e. 5th nonresponse.
Already corrected 2 times by Scripture.
" ..AS a bride"
(A building or buildings)
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"4 nonresponses to common sense Scripture, 2 lies added to Scripture, 1 half lie changing Scripture, 2 assumptions inserted into Scripture, and now 1 half truth diminishing Scripture, 1 lie taking away from Scripture, and now first lie rejecting Scripture quoted."
Look at this post.
Try to pick something and discuss It.
Not interested in your personal opinion of me, or whatever specks you center on.
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"Already corrected 2 times by Scripture."
MAT 25
10;And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
mat 26
2;But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Yes 2 witnesses against your generalizing with no understanding.
Basically being confronted by Scripture and giving me a NONRESPOSE, since your deal is basically a belief outside God's word.
My challenge and exposure of a postrib rapture belief;
Your ridiculous response:
"4 nonresponses to common sense Scripture, 2 lies added to Scripture, 1 half lie changing Scripture, 2 assumptions inserted into Scripture, and now 1 half truth diminishing Scripture, 1 lie taking away from Scripture, and now first lie rejecting Scripture quoted."
try harder
Get a bible
Your ridiculous response:
"4 nonresponses to common sense Scripture, 2 lies added to Scripture, 1 half lie changing Scripture, 2 assumptions inserted into Scripture, and now 1 half truth diminishing Scripture, 1 lie taking away from Scripture, and now first lie rejecting Scripture quoted."
try harder
Get a bible
Atg (answer);
"I.e. 5th nonresponse."
When asked a question try real hard to answer intelligently.
Your dodges are tedious.
Wow
Way way way off.
You are totally in the dark.
You just tried to prove Jesus is not the firstfruits of the resurrection.
READ CAREFULLY
NOTE THAT NONE OF YOUR VERSES PROVE JESUS IS NOT THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
TRY real hard to accept the written Word.
It PLAINLY,PLAINLY, says Jesus is the firstfruits OF THE RESURRECTION.
You contest that and are somehow offended by that...
So you post verses thinking because it has the word "firstfruit" in it you are thinking you did something.
Not even close.
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"The marriage is with meeting the Lord in the air at His coming again to earth.
No Scripture of the Lord going back to heaven, but only of shutting the marriage door to them not prepared."
Lol.
That is ridiculous.
Now you have the marriage in the air.
Mat 26 has the believers in heaven at the marriage feast.
Mat 25 has the bride going into the wedding chamber and the door shut.
( you centered on who was shut out, instead of what happened....trying so hard to cast down what is there)
Rev 19 has the Church in heaven during the trib and it PLAINLY says "...AND THE BRIDE IS NOW THE WIFE...IN HEAVEN"
Cast all that down
I will wait.
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"True. The dead in Christ number will be fulfilled, when the Lord returns to earth to avenge their blood. The number of all the saints, dead and alive on earth, will be fulfilled in the air."
That is Rev 19.
There is no rapture of the church at Rev 19.
Look, that concept is 100% destroyed by the gathering in Rev 14.
Think about it.
You are saying the rapture happens AFTER 1 Thessalonians 4's gathering of the church.
Rev 14's GATHERING BY JESUS, in verse 14, is Before the wrath.
Hello.....your deal is poorly thought out and arrived at via OMISSION.
That is why you cast down the pretrib rapture verses.
Remember , your deal has angels gathering APART FROM JESUS in mat 24.
( impossible for that to be the rapture)
Rev 14;14, I thes 4, and mat 25, have JESUS GATHERING.
The idea of a rapture, a mass disappearing of people, is a grand satanic deception. One of the major deceptions of the end times, leading to the false prophet.
Using special technology the evil doers plan to kill millions at once and will want the remaining public to believe the 'rapture' has happened.
Daniel 2:43 and Revelation 18:23 are about this deception.
Special nano bots ( see the Ted talk from 2013 held in Israel ) have been injected into the masses, and will be used for satanic purposes ultimately it is the foundational tech of the image and mark of the beast, literally connecting human bodies to the internet, then ultimately tona central computer the beast will have made.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 does not say we are taken to heaven, it says we meet the Lord in the clouds, in the air. In Revelation 19:14 the phrase 'which were' is an added in phrase denoted by italics in many Bibles.
"The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses....." Is how it should read.
How do they get up in the sky? In the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.
Using special technology the evil doers plan to kill millions at once and will want the remaining public to believe the 'rapture' has happened.
Daniel 2:43 and Revelation 18:23 are about this deception.
Special nano bots ( see the Ted talk from 2013 held in Israel ) have been injected into the masses, and will be used for satanic purposes ultimately it is the foundational tech of the image and mark of the beast, literally connecting human bodies to the internet, then ultimately tona central computer the beast will have made.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 does not say we are taken to heaven, it says we meet the Lord in the clouds, in the air. In Revelation 19:14 the phrase 'which were' is an added in phrase denoted by italics in many Bibles.
"The armies in the sky followed Him on white horses....." Is how it should read.
How do they get up in the sky? In the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15;And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16;And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Jesus gathering the he main harvest of Jews, in verse 14, is not satanic.
Mt 25
7;Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8;And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9;But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10;And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
ahem.
Jesus gathering His bide, is not satanic, as you have impled.
What could be considered satanic, is efforts to muddy up what is written.
I said the idea of a mass disappearance of people is a satanic deception.
Jesus gathering His bride is the resurrection, not a rapture.
Paul called it 'the resurrection'.
2 Timothy 2:18
Revelation tells the same prophecy repeatedly. Each, seals, trumpets, vials, giving different aspects of the same repeated prophesy, each with the same ending;
Revelation 6:17
Revelation 11:15
Revelation 12:15 ( Daniel 9:26 )
Revelation 14:15-18
Revelation 16:17 - 19
Revelation 19:7-21
When the Lord returns, the believing dead rise first up into the Lords army, in the air, in the clouds, and then in the next moment the believing alive are changed and also caught up into the army in the sky.
"...From the four winds, and from one end of the sky to the other." Matthew 24:31
"From the four winds" being a hint at
Ezekiel 37:10-12
Paul, believed such passages were about actual resurrection;
Acts 23:6-8 Acts 26:5-8.
It is clear that Ezekiel 37:9-12 is the promise of resurrection made to the nation of Israel as a whole, that Paul is referring to in those Acts passages, because there is no such other promise of resurrection directly from God to the nation as a whole.
Therefore "from the four winds" is a reference to dead people, and "from one end of the sky to the other" a reference to alive people. It is Christ that is Paul's foundation, and we have the context and scripture to see how Paul came to his conclusion, everything Paul said is founded on scripture we can still read.
Another example being circumcision of the heart, it was Moses who said that first: Deuteronomy 10:16-19.
All that to say, Paul never spoke of a mass disappearance of people, he was speaking about, the, resurrection, yet to come. The Bible describes resurrection, not a rapture.
There is no such "joining an army in the air".
Your teachers literally made that up.
Plus EVERY rapture verse is pretrib setting.
Always test fit theories to see if they fit.
Postrib doctrine painted itself into many corners, that make most of you mad, once you see the impossibilities of a postrib rapture.
3 main fronts are;
1 ...the horrible corner of "one coming".
2...the gathering in Rev 14:14 that totally destroys the TRUE RESURRECTION, as your doctrine places the dead in Christ rising after the Rev 14:14 gathering.
( you are telling me the dead in Christ rise AFTER the living of rev 14:14)
3...Rev 19 has the bride in heaven, and BECOMING the wife IN HEAVEN. Also, Rev 19 is where Jesus comes in power and great Glory.
HE COMES AS THE GROOM at the pretrib rapture JESUS TAUGHT IN MAT 24. AND MAT 25., acts 1, and the last supper dialogue.
( please stop and note that you have never heard the verses that I am putting on the table)
Your teachers, 100% leave out, the bride / groom dynamic.
The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
The trib is "Jacob's trouble" or "Israel's trouble"
( it is such an easy win when all challengers resort to omission to "defend" their deal)
IOW they have NOPLACE TO GO.
So you miss the very core of end times.
Your doctrine is "trib centered", complete with the casting down of the rapture, while you claim to be preparing for the false christ.
Ask yourself how all that horrible error can possibly be.
We own end times.
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"...From the four winds, and from one end of the sky to the other." Matthew 24:31
"From the four winds" being a hint at
Ezekiel 37:10-12
Paul, believed such passages were about actual resurrection;
Acts 23:6-8 Acts 26:5-8."
You are referring to mat 24.
Please Note, it CAN NOT be the rapture.
In the rapture Jesus gathers.
In your Doctrine of omission, ANGELS GATHER, APART FROM JESUS.
APART FROM JESUS.
Hello ....."JESUS SENDS."
You can not possibly get any traction when Jesus sends and does not participate.?????
Your teachers obviously can not read.
they missed " sends", "angels gather", and "FROM heaven"
SMH in disbelief.
In the rapture, Jesus gathers from the earth. In your MAT PASSAGE, ANGELS GATHER from HEAVEN.
So no, your only supposed verses are a total fail.
Are you sure you want to support a doctrine that is BASED ON OMISSION and MODIFICATION of God's word??????
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"...From the four winds, and from one end of the sky to the other." Matthew 24:31
"From the four winds" being a hint at
Ezekiel 37:10-12
Paul, believed such passages were about actual resurrection;
Acts 23:6-8 Acts 26:5-8."
Nice try but way way way off.
You mentioned how important " the resurrection" is.
Now you are blenderizing the resurrection from THE EARTH, into a mix of " the air".
Dead people gathered from the air.
Cunning craftiness is not of God.
Neither is thinking you can void the rapture verses with verses bent out of context.
You really don't understand the bible is not a book of contradictions??????
Look....the bible is EMPHASIZING THE groom gathering the bride ( the church)
That is the heart of the bible.
Your teachers miss the heart of the bible.
That dynamic is Missing From their deal.
TOTALLY MISSING!!!!!!
The error is based on a misplaced starting place.
Your starting place and passion is against us pretribbers.
A disdain and animosity against us personally.
Your doctrine is atrocious, but when confronted with the true words of the bible, a cunning dodge is all you have.
This is well said. After the resurrection and rapture of the righteous, the tribulation and wrath of the Lord on all the earth, followed by judgment between sheep and goats, His Mellinial reign will begin only with the natural sheep. All the hypocrites, persecuters, rebellious, and evil doers will be wiped clean off the earth.
A great and good beginning of a great and good reign of the Lord and His resurrected saints on earth.
The doctrinal translation no doubt attempts to show that the righteous are not appointed to the wrath for sin, that is coming on all the earth.
However, it's not grammatically correct. It overlooks the Lord first dealing with sin among His own people, at His judgment seat:
2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
Heb 10:29
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The believers found doing evil like the world, will be judged and appointed tribulation and wrath with the hypocrites of the world.
Mat 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Afterall, the Lord is the righteous judge, so when He brings judgment on sinners, He does not unjustly overlook the sinners naming His name. But rather begins with those sinners:
2 Peter{4:17}
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
You may wait to be part of some wicked rapture, but there won't be any such thing.
Only the righteous will be harvested from the earth, to meet Him in the air at His second coming to earth.
No. The Lord's tribulation and wrath upon the earth, after He harvests His righteous people, only puts an end to open rebellion against Him. His righteous Millennium will begin with naturally good and obedient sheep, but there will still be transgressors among their offspring during the thousand years. Even as there was after Noah, among the children Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and among offspring of the saints in Christ Jesus today.
Everyone on earth must choose to serve the Lord or sin, for themselves.
Jos 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Sinning on earth will not end, until the destruction of this world the last great rebellion of nations against God. Which will b immediately following the end of the Lord's thousand years reign:
Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.