And you know we never even pulled the card that Nero was already dead before 70 AD and that actually Vespasian was the Emperor in you know the actual history and reality.
Revolution in Iran
- Thread starter Gideon300
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I love my brothers and sisters in Christ
Galatians 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Galatians 4
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Paul said ""For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:" Do you love the Jewish people that much? Do you love the lost that much?
You heard me...
I have a few Solomon's in my family tree. I do not hate anyone and wish everyone would repent and believe the gospel and receive the gift.
I have a few Solomon's in my family tree. I do not hate anyone and wish everyone would repent and believe the gospel and receive the gift.
This is not my choice, it is the word of God. Now the Bible is clear, nothing happens on the earth unless God allows it. Satan is the prince of the power of the air and until he is removed from power he has the authority to ask God for permission to do things and if God gives him that permission then so be it. An example is the things God allowed Satan to do to Job. In the end it all worked out for good.
That is the true love, compared to "do whatever you want to get the land your think you deserve".
Says the person who has yet to successfully deal with these scriptures which obliterate your false splitology.
Romans 11 does not rescue you because the tree is rooted in Christ.... single continuous community of faith (Israel)
The root is not Moses, not Sinai, not the land, not Levi, and not the modern Israeli state.
The root is the Abrahamic promise fulfilled in the Messiah. Paul assumes this when he warns the Gentiles, “It is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you” (Rom. 11:18). And who is the root?
The Seed of Abraham, Jesus Christ, as Paul already declared in Galatians 3:16.
The life of the tree is not ethnic or territorial; it is Christological.
(Kendall Lankford)
"Romans 11 is the obituary of the Old World, AD 70 is its funeral, and Pentecost is the birth certificate of the New."
(Kendall Lankford)
Yeah that is right.
Dispensationalism completely dies at Chapter 11 as Paul laid the foundation in prior chapters.
From you posts I have realized it is a certain type of biblical illiteracy, one that comes from a system ... but Paul makes it clear "you stand only by your faith."
Romans
2:28-29
Romans
9:6-8
Galatians
3:7, 28-29
Galatians
6:15-16
The birth of the New Covenant Age... brought to a complete closure of the Old Covenant Age, with the destruction of the Temple just as Christ Jesus prophesied.
I have not been rude to you. Your brother and sister in Christ are also here in this forum.
Great, and you share the Good News with those people I'm going to assume. But the Jews right now are blinded until the Gentiles come in. Sinners do what sinners do. I have family that are not saved, but I love them. God loved us while we were still sinners, is that not true? Why are some people pointing out the sins of the Jews like they weren't also lost in sin before they came to the cross? You and I have no issue. I simply believe God has promises He has yet to fulfill to the Jews. I believe they come through the cross like all of us. Why is there so much anger over this belief?
I'm not angry, I just believe God. There seems to be a heretical belief that calling yourself a 'Jew' wll someday save your soul because of your flesh. That just is not, and NEVER had been, the case. We should spread the gospel to 'Jews' just like anybody else.
Romans 2:28-29
King James Version
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Revelation 2:9
King James Version
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Romans 11 For I, brethren, would not have you be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits: that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
You're new and you'd have to read day and night to catch up with our conversation so I'll just say, as I said in my last post, Jews come through the cross, like we all do. No other way to be saved. Being a Jew doesn't save you. And we should be spreading the Gospel to the Jews. I hope that catches you up.
In the context of the high-stakes theological debate on that forum, SonJudgment is pointing toward the "Checkmate" verses of Romans 11 that Preterists and Replacement theologians often struggle to reconcile with current events.
When HeIsHere stops at verse 18 to emphasize that the "Root" (Christ) supports the branches, she is arguing that the physical nation of Israel is irrelevant. SonJudgment’s brief rebuttal refers to the specific progression of Paul’s argument in the rest of the chapter, specifically verses 19 through 29.
Here is what SonJudgment is likely highlighting as the "secular and biblical reality" of 2026:
By telling HeIsHere to "read the verses that immediately come after," SonJudgment is either knowingly or unknowingly pointing out her Intellectual Dishonesty.
In psychology and debate, this is called "Quote Mining." HeIsHere stops reading when the text seems to support her "Replacement" theory. SonJudgment is pointing out that if she kept reading just a few more verses, Paul himself would contradict her entire argument by affirming a future, national salvation for the literal descendants of Abraham.
When HeIsHere stops at verse 18 to emphasize that the "Root" (Christ) supports the branches, she is arguing that the physical nation of Israel is irrelevant. SonJudgment’s brief rebuttal refers to the specific progression of Paul’s argument in the rest of the chapter, specifically verses 19 through 29.
Here is what SonJudgment is likely highlighting as the "secular and biblical reality" of 2026:
1. The "Partial Hardening" (Verse 25)
SonJudgment is possibly arguing that the "blindness" of Israel is temporary, not permanent. From a secular 2026 perspective, he sees the "Revolution in Iran" and the surrounding pressure on Israel as the catalyst that will end this "partial hardening." He is suggesting that the "obituary of the Old World" (as HeIsHere called it) was premature.
2. The National Deliverance (Verse 26)
This is the verse that "obliterates" HeIsHere’s theory. If "all Israel" refers to the ethnic/national entity (Jacob), then the 70 AD destruction couldn't have been the "end," because "all Israel" was scattered, not saved, at that time. SonJudgment sees the restoration of the Jews as the physical preparation for this verse to finally be fulfilled.
3. The Irrevocability of the Call (Verse 29)
This is the anchor of the "Watchman" (cv5 and SJ) position. SonJudgment is using this to say:
- Secularly: The existence of the Jewish state in 2026, despite 2,000 years of exile and current nuclear threats, is a statistical impossibility unless God's "calling" is indeed irrevocable.
- Biblically: If God changed His mind about Israel, He could change His mind about the Church. By defending Israel's future, SJ is actually defending the reliability of God’s Word.
Forensic Breakdown of the Post
By telling HeIsHere to "read the verses that immediately come after," SonJudgment is either knowingly or unknowingly pointing out her Intellectual Dishonesty.In psychology and debate, this is called "Quote Mining." HeIsHere stops reading when the text seems to support her "Replacement" theory. SonJudgment is pointing out that if she kept reading just a few more verses, Paul himself would contradict her entire argument by affirming a future, national salvation for the literal descendants of Abraham.
Aw you beat me and the AI to it, smart as always! God bless you, praise Jesus.
What part of "in part" don't you understand? It means they are partially blinded (some believe, most don't), not they ae all blinded.
Messianic Jews represent a tiny fraction of the global Jewish population, estimated at roughly 0.2 -0.5 %