So the Gentiles have another way of Salvation according to your understanding. Sorry only one way to God and that’s through Jesus and the law is the knowledge of sin . For the whole world . God so loved the world , not just the Jews. So Salvation is Gods way and only one way . You deny it .
Some thoughts on the Sabbath...
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So the Ten Commandments do not apply to Gentiles ? What commandments do belong to them ? Show the list of commandments the Gentiles are under its written. Romans 3 v 9 What then are we better than they ?( Jews over Gentiles ) NO , in no wise : for we have PROVED BOTH JEW and GENTILES, that they are ALL under SIN . As it is WRITTEN…. Read the book of Romans chapter 3 . But ask God to help you understand and throw the AI in the garbage. The written law is the knowledge of sin in Writing so it can not be misunderstood. That’s why it was given . Otherwise everyone has their own interpretation of sin . Every man does that which is right in his own eyes ? That is sin in its self .
Inquisitor, you said prior, "Several Old Testament passages outline that for Gentiles to participate in the Mosaic Covenant—specifically regarding Passover and living within the community—they were required to be circumcised, effectively becoming "as a native of the land" (Exodus 12:48-49, Numbers 9:14)."
I think you are preaching to the choir, because as I stated already, I agree that Gentiles of that time could not participate in the Passover or enter the Temple to make sacrifices, etc. without being circumcised. However, my point is that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised to live in that land alongside Jews, though they were not permitted to participate in Jewish activities as you stated already, outside of the participation of the Shabbat. So, I was making this point through Isaiah where God encourages Gentiles to participate in the shabbat rest (without being circumcised), but the caveat is that it was a choice, not a command since as you know, Gentiles are not under that covenant. Therefore, in current day, Gentiles can apply Shabbat rest in principle, hence rest does not have to be on the seventh day for non-Jews, it can be implements on any day of the week. Many Christians chose the first day of the week.
Other than that, God bless you that you have in my opinion a very good understanding of Jew and Gentiles distinctions, which allows Jews to be Jews and Gentiles to be Gentiles, the way God creates us.
Where is the written Gentiles law ? Let’s see it ! Galatians 5 v 18 you say the law is for Jews but not Believing Jews so you contract yourself again .
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The entire law at Mt Sinai does not apply to the Gentiles.
All ten commandments and the two greatest commandments inclusive, only Israel was bound by the law.
You completely missed the covenant agreements between Israel and God.
The Gentiles did not even know God according to Paul and they certainly were never in a covenant to obey the law.
Don't be like that.
AI reads the text and reads in the given context and you don't do that.
All over the world AI is ramping up technology, medicine, engineering, etc.
But AI cannot read the simple letters in a simple and 2,000 year old N.T?
Follow AI in the reading of the scripture.
Prophecy states at the Time of the End, which we are now in, great deception will take place.
God's Words also tells us the carnal human mind can not understand the mind or the Way of God.
which is proven by the vast number of diverse christian churches when God formed ONE.
There is nothing I can write that will change these facts, deception will rule until the Return.
What is coming and very very soon, God calls The Time of Jacobs trouble
6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
7 Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, [that] I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Good question. The New Testament often compares who we are on the outside with who we are on the inside. Some people are good at keeping all the religious rules but on the inside, they are selfish, needy, and thoughtless. We are not judged on the basis of who we pretend to be. We are judged on the basis of who we really are.
That's right. And I agree. We should obey.
Of course, that is why it is called "work". We wish to obey and we do everything we can to obey. Once in a while, we fail. But we get up and keep going.
It's deeper than that. We are judged based on our motives, attitudes, values, wishes, desires, and hopes. What do we want?
Jesus obeyed the Torah because he was living under the Old Covenant. As Gentiles, we are not obligated to live under the Torah today. But as children of God, we would obey the Torah if he wanted us to, because we love and worship God. As it happens, he hasn't asked the Gentiles to obey the Torah, but we would if he asked.
Amen. We will rejoice to see that day.
Some people mistake religious practice with actual goodness and righteousness. Jesus and the apostles warned us about that. May our love faith and hope remain genuine.
"religious practice"
what then is following the example of how to live in righteousness set for us by Jesus Christ??
God's ONE WAY is "The way of righteousness", sin-less-ness, living without sinning!
King James Bible
"My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness." spoken by David a man after the nature of Jesus Christ.
Thus; if we are not obeying the 10 Commandments -- we are not righteous, we are not copying, imitating the Divine Nature of Jesus Christ
Are we not to follow our Passover's sinless way, who died because we all sin and need the penalty for our sins paid for?
I find not one word saying "I did not sin -- so you could."
Christ died because we all sin - sin is the transgress of the God's LAW, --
accepting the sacrifice Christ made for our sins means we no longer need to obey HIS LAW???? not logical!!!
If sin is the transgression of the Torah, which John states clearly IT IS, and we are to repent of sin and come out of Satan's world of SIN,
how can it be said "we no longer need to live by the 10 Commandments?" which the vast majority say that is so.
Obeying the Law of God is Holiness and we must become HOLY, we are called to become Holy.
Fact; who is the one who first refused to obey, who is the god of this evil world, who is the author of lies and sin?
following lawlessness, is following Satan!
To my last breath I will obey the Voice of my Master, Jesus Christ who died to pay for all my sins and they are many, too many!
Matthew 22
King James Version
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
King James Version
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The two great Precepts, love God and love neighbor are the two foundational precepts of God's Torah, book of instructions.
Commandments 1 - 4 are how we demonstrate our love/agape to God
Commandments 5 -10 are how we demonstrate our love/agape to our neighbor
"Agape" is not an emotion -- it is an action!
and yet THE Many refuse to Agape God.
The New Testament records Jesus' interaction with the Pharisees. This is where he teaches his disciples to avoid their mistaken notions about religious practice. Jesus wants us to obey the weightier things of the law, such as justice, mercy and faithfulness.
He also taught us principles of righteousness in such sayings as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." In other words, justice isn't that hard to understand. We know when we are being injured or oppressed. Since we don't like being injured or oppressed, we should avoid injuring or oppressing others. We want to be forgiven, so we ought to forgive others. We want to be loved so we ought to love others.
Unfortunately for all of us, sin is inevitable. We all sin and at the core of our being, we are sinners. But we are being saved by sanctification, which is when God opens our eyes and our hearts to the Truth. The child of God is a sinner but he doesn't want to sin. He loves the truth, even when it speaks rightly about him. The child of God is honest, faithful, courageous, loyal, and hopeful.
We cannot obey all 10 commandments. We disobey the Tenth Commandment all the time.
The child of God loves the truth, even if the truth says something negative about him or her. The child of God is honest about his or her own sin and does not avoid the truth. Even so, the child of God wants to live as Jesus lived and have the attitudes that Jesus had.
We are not to live in sin. The child of God does not sleep with his girlfriend or steal from his employer. He does not drink excessively or party. He pays his debts and he pays his rent faithfully and on time. He treats women as people, kindly, gently, and with grace. He respects his parents and his teachers, taking their advice and wise counsel. And the Child of God is grateful to God and includes an attitude of thanksgiving in his prayers.
Bear in mind that the Torah doesn't use our terminology for the Decalogue. We call it the Ten Commandments, but the Torah calls it "The Ten Words." Some of the Ten Words dictate moral behavior, while others dictate Civil behavior. We should always strive to obey moral behaviors. But as Gentiles, we are not obligated to keep civil behaviors.
The Fourth Commandment is a civil behavior.
Yes, we are called to be Holy as God is Holy. In this context, this means that our love for others should not be partial. Jesus says that he sends the rain on the evil and the good. God is not partial, and so we should not be partial either. Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, and in this way, our love is not partial. It is easy to love our friends, but in order to be holy as God is holy, we need to love our enemies also.
We should all have your zeal for God.!
"He also taught us principles of righteousness in such sayings as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." In other words, justice isn't that hard to understand."
Roger, Jesus Christ told the rich fellow if he wants to gain eternal life to keep the Commandments.
all 10 are the principles of righteousness. Do you want me to do to you, what they tell me not to do to you?
it is impossible for a human with carnal human nature to obey 100% like Christ did, but we are to try. When God puts His spirit in us, the power to obey grows in us. Without God the Fathers spirit in us we can do nothing.
the proof of that are the children of Israel -- 40 years sin.
Keeping, obeying is our duty, there is no reward for doing our duty, nothing is earned by obeying, eternal life is a free gift.
But, and there is always a but, if a person rejects and will not obey, Christ said they are lawless and He does not know who they are -- they are rejected,
Roger, almost all of what is called christianty has one way or another set aside the Torah and The Commandments, that alone is a good reason to obey. It is the MANY that are deceived not the few.
I recommend reading the Book of Acts and The book of Romans , they sort it all out very well , listening to you men with your words just makes for confusion . I read Acts to well into Romans it makes so much more sense than what you are saying . And yes I learned more too . Many verses I could highlight. Apostle Paul lived a very heroic live for Jesus I’m in awe of him ! Acts 22v 15 For thou shalt be his Witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard .
Yes he was far more than an apostle to the Gentiles to the Jews also and they acknowledge that too . You will not go wrong with Apostle Paul’s as He was the Witness for Jesus , most of the NT proves it as most of it is his teachings he received from the Lord . Listening to you guys is really unpleasant putting it mildly.
Yes he was far more than an apostle to the Gentiles to the Jews also and they acknowledge that too . You will not go wrong with Apostle Paul’s as He was the Witness for Jesus , most of the NT proves it as most of it is his teachings he received from the Lord . Listening to you guys is really unpleasant putting it mildly.
Acts 10 :34 Then Peter opened his mouth , and said ,Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons : But in every nation he that doeth ,and worketh righteousness is accepted with him .
Acts 21 v24 : and all may know that those things , whereof they were informed concerning thee , are nothing ; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly , and keepest the Law . ( testimony of the apostles about Apostle Paul) .
Romans 16 v26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets , according to the commandment of the everlasting God , made known to all nations for the obedience of the faith ;
Obviously the law and prophets.
A few verses so many many more , read for yourself prayerfully! May the truth set you free ! Jesus said if you are his disciples you will continue in his word , the truth shall set you free ! Beware of the doctrine of men , much the same as the Pharisees of old . It suits them .
Acts 21 v24 : and all may know that those things , whereof they were informed concerning thee , are nothing ; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly , and keepest the Law . ( testimony of the apostles about Apostle Paul) .
Romans 16 v26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets , according to the commandment of the everlasting God , made known to all nations for the obedience of the faith ;
Obviously the law and prophets.
A few verses so many many more , read for yourself prayerfully! May the truth set you free ! Jesus said if you are his disciples you will continue in his word , the truth shall set you free ! Beware of the doctrine of men , much the same as the Pharisees of old . It suits them .