your misinterpretation of Scripture is duly noted, rogerg.
why did you skip from vs 11 to vs 13 ???
when vs 12 is included, your whole premise is revealed as erroneous.
Romans 9:10-12
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
and this is exactly what we read in Genesis :
Genesis 25:20-23
20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD.
23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Now continue reading vs 13:
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
do you know where it is written, rogerg? over 1,000 years later, in the very last book of the OT:
Malachi 1:1-3
1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
so, it is you who needs to "Read vs 13 closely" before making your erroneous claim concerning what God said about Jacob and Esau before they were born and what was written many generations later ... and possibly DavidLamb, dkontner, and brightfame52 need to "Read vs 13 closely", as all three of them gave you a thumbs up for your erroneous claim.
smh ...
I am not going to get involved with a continuing dialogue with you about this because, as with GWH, your foundational understanding of the gospel's tenets is wrong, so any interpretations and conclusion you draw from Scripture will be wrong too,
and therefore, not worth my time and effort to refute.
First, my "erroneous" post was of verses taken directly from Scripture, so you sound absurd by disputing it, unless, that is, you don't believe or understand Scripture, given as those verses stand on their own.
Second, your post pretty is much gobbledygook but suffice it to say that if your point is that Gen 25:21-23 was added to 1000 years after that event, and added to again after that in Rom 9, well, that is ridiculous because God wrote the Bible as one integrated book yet used progressive revelation which He dispensed over time as His way to illustrate His doctrines - not always everything all at once. Therefore, that God chose to expound further upon it at other times meant nothing, as He did likewise in many other situations. Had you read the verses beyond vs12 and 13, and understood them which is doubtful, you might have realized that they are in perfect harmony with, continuations of, and consistent with, the verses I posted, which are Scripture. The specific point under discussion with GWH was whether in the spiritual sense God loves everyone with the answer clearly being no, He does not, and as is attested to by the verses you, yourself, posted. I didn't include vs12 because it wasn't pertinent to that discussion. That I didn't include it wasn't hidden to anyone given you noticed it.
Scripture it's all one book written by God.
[Rom 9:13-25 KJV]
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Notice that vs 24 says "not Jews only, but also of the Gentiles", demonstrating those verses were not intended to apply to the physical but to the spiritual.
Therefore, it is you who needs to go back to Romans 9:12 - 25 and read them closely to try to gain understanding in light of the whole Bible.
So, that's all I was able to glean out of your post with the rest of it pretty much gobbledygook. If you intended to convey something besides that, I couldn't find it.
