I disagree. It's His resurrection that saves us which is why He died for all, but only those who believe He rose from the dead, are saved. God keeps His word to save whoever believes.
His death did not save from the penalty of sin, if that were true, all would be saved. His death removed the penalty so that whoever believes would be saved because that is what God determined to do, save believers.
So in other words, for those whom Jesus saves, He does indeed remove the penalty for sin. I love the hymn which starts, "Great is the Gospel of Our Glorious God." The first verse refers to Christ paying the penalty for sin for those He saves:
Being in prision of unbelief by nature requires a new nature which liberates. Thats the new birth
Yes it did, and its blasphemy to say it didnt
Yes sir and unbelief. Unbelief is removed because the penalty of sin which caused unbelief is removed. Rom 11:26
Yes, I agree. Unbelief itself if a sin. By His grace, God forgives all sins of those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, including their former unbelief.
Yes but do you agree they are forgiven by His Grace b4 they believe in Him ?
They are chosen before the foundation of the world. But although God chose them (the elect) before the foundation of the world, and they therefore will be saved, I cannot think of a bible reference to the elect actually receiving forgiveness before they are drawn by the Father to the Son and believe in Him. (I should stress that I am not arguing with you. There may well be bible verses that say that elect sinners are forgiven before they believe, but I cannot think of any.)
Oh my friend, as much as we agree on much, it grieves me you dont believe the death of Christ alone, His Blood alone Justified the elect b4 they believe it. They may not receive the knowledge of it until they believe, however it was already an accomplish fact at the Cross. Its like you saying its not a fact b4 God until your believing constitutes it, that's arminianism. May God cause you to think through this.
I don't think we disagree. I didn't know forgiveness until I believed, even though it was accomplished at the cross. After all, Paul tells the Ephesian Christians that they had been "dead in trespasses and sins" before they were given new life by God. I assure you I do not believe Arminianism. Thanks, and God bless you. Also sorry for not writing as clearly as I should have done before.
Thats True, but God knew it for you by the work of Christ b4 u believed, so that His work gets the credit for it,
Yes indeed
Yes, but even then they were Justified and reconciled to God by His Death Rom 5:10
I never took you for the type
Yeah man we living in the times when we need to be clear about such a crucial subject, thanks for clarafication.
Unfortunately the acronym is so often misunderstood. How many times have you and I had to try to explain (for example) that believing in the doctrines of God's grace does not mean that we believe that only a select few people will be saved. (I imagine they get that idea from "Limited Atonement").
