Reconciled to God while enemies !

[brightfame52]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

 

[ResidentAlien]

I agree it's through His death we were reconciled, but if you skip back to chapter 5 it's clear that the way we enter into this grace is through faith.

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." Romans 5:1-2

It's like if I said I have a crisp $1,000,000 dollar bill I want to give to you. It's yours, I've already made plans to give it to you; but you must meet me at such and such a place and at such and such a time to receive it. If you don't have faith and proceed to the meeting you'll never receive it.

 

[Magenta]

Lord of All

 

[brightfame52]

I agree it's through His death we were reconciled, but if you skip back to chapter 5 it's clear that the way we enter into this grace is through faith.

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." Romans 5:1-2

It's like if I said I have a crisp $1,000,000 dollar bill I want to give to you. It's yours, I've already made plans to give it to you; but you must meet me at such and such a place and at such and such a time to receive it. If you don't have faith and proceed to the meeting you'll never receive it.

One is reconciled to God b4 Faith, thats the point. At that point ones sins are put away

 

[ResidentAlien]

One is reconciled to God b4 Faith,

I agree as far as that goes.

 

[brightfame52]

I agree as far as that goes.

Well thats legal salvation, even Justification, forgiveness of sins, imputation of righteousness, all that b4 they believe.

 

[GWH]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

Yes, and Jesus commanded believers to love their enemies as God does (Matt. 5:44&48).
Divine love (DL) is unconditional, although God's forgiveness is conditional upon repentance/saving faith
(Eph. 2:8-9, Matt. 16:16-17, John 3:16, etc.).

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, and Jesus commanded believers to love their enemies as God does (Matt. 5:44&48).

Not to be reconciled to God. The Death of Christ reconciled them He died for to God, even while they were being enemies to God Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So stay focused on whats being said specifically with scripture.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

One is reconciled to God b4 Faith, thats the point. At that point ones sins are put away

The legal work was done by his death, but Paul wouldn't have appealed to people to be reconciled to God if they already were

For of Christ then we are ambassadors, as of God appealing through us; we beseech for Christ -- be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20​

 

[brightfame52]

The legal work was done by his death,

Correct, there could not have been any reconciliation unless their sins have been removed away, thats legal salvation, forgiveness of sins. Also which I will discuss later, the legal reconciliation ensures to be saved by His Life. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So they're connected

 

[brightfame52]

Paul wouldn't have appealed to people to be reconciled to God if they already were

For of Christ then we are ambassadors, as of God appealing through us; we beseech for Christ -- be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20

But they were already reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, vs 18 proves that 2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Thats agreeable with Rom 5:10

10 ;For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Both times reconciled is aorist tense verbs, past tense.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But they were already reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, vs 18 proves that 2 Cor 5:18

And the verse I quoted proves there is a human component to reconciliation

 

[brightfame52]

And the verse I quoted proves there is a human component to reconciliation

Thats false. And you are opposing clear finished work of Christ. He has reconciled to God them He died for ! Paul specifically stated the entire process is of God 2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

 

[Roger316]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

I agree. When we were reconciled, we were both in a state of condemnation and God's enemies. His point is this. If we were reconciled while we were his enemies, imagine what he will do for us now that we are his friends: he pardons us and grants us eternal life.

 

[Roger316]

But they were already reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, vs 18 proves that 2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Thats agreeable with Rom 5:10

10 ;For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Both times reconciled is aorist tense verbs, past tense.

Bear in mind that reconciliation is a two-way street. God has reconciled with those who seek peace with him. Think about it this way. Suppose that Jack is mad at Jill, and Jill is mad at Jack. There is hostility between them. Jack offers Jill some flowers, and if Jill accepts the flowers, the hostilities will end. They have both reconciled.

Likewise, there is hostility between God and man. Jesus Christ offered God his life, which pleased God. So God agreed to make peace with anyone who would accept his son to be both Lord and Savior. Thus, we have peace with God through Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

I agree. When we were reconciled, we were both in a state of condemnation and God's enemies.

False the reconciled arent in condemnation, Christ eliminated that, that's legal

His point is this. If we were reconciled while we were his enemies, imagine what he will do for us now that we are his friends: he pardons us and grants us eternal life.

They are already pardoned, and legally have eternal life, they shall have spiritual life however

 

[brightfame52]

Bear in mind that reconciliation is a two-way street

Christs death takes care of both. R u suggesting the death of Christ did a incomplete job in reconciliation ? Read Col 1:20-22

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[Roger316]

False the reconciled arent in condemnation, Christ eliminated that, that's legal

I agree, the reconciled aren't in condemnation. I meant, the moment before they were reconciled, they were in a state of condemnation. Do you agree with that?

They are already pardoned, and legally have eternal life, they shall have spiritual life however

I don't understand what you mean by "already pardoned?"

 

[brightfame52]

I agree, the reconciled aren't in condemnation.

You just contradicted yourself pal You just posted earlier:

I agree. When we were reconciled, we were both in a state of condemnation and God's enemies.

 

[Roger316]

Christs death takes care of both. R u suggesting the death of Christ did a incomplete job in reconciliation ? Read Col 1:20-22

It depends on what you mean by "incomplete." Reconciliation isn’t one‑sided. Scripture describes a real conflict between God and humanity: God is rightly offended by sin, and humans are stubbornly resistant to Him. So if reconciliation is going to be complete, it has to deal with both sides of that hostility. On God’s side, His righteous anger must be satisfied — that’s atonement or propitiation. On our side, we must actually turn back to Him — that’s repentance and faith. Put simply, God must be appeased, and man must be changed. Without both, the relationship isn’t truly restored.

In Colossians 1:20–22 Paul shows that reconciliation has to deal with both sides of the conflict. On God’s side, His holy wrath against sin must be answered — that’s why Paul says peace comes “through the blood of His cross.” On our side, we are the ones who were “alienated and hostile in mind,” so reconciliation also requires that we be changed, brought back, and made holy. Paul’s point is that Christ’s death satisfies God’s righteous opposition to sin, and Christ’s resurrection life transforms our hostile hearts. Only when both God’s wrath is appeased and our hostility is surrendered is the relationship truly restored.