Naw I was just replying to what you said brother . But sure I’ll find a different subject to discuss
To Whom did Jesus Promise Direct Revelation from the Holy Spirit?
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What I was explaining, it is possible Christ will become Father to all those billions coming into the Family from His return on.
I do not have any verses that confirm or disprove. It is speculation on my part.
Christ is marrying a wife for some reason.
If you believe Christ and the Father are one and the same, absolutely not.
Right.
Just because Paul was the father to the Corinthians doesn't negate the realty of God the Father... just like Christ as Everlasting Father does not negate the reality of God the Father. Paul was not taking the place of Christ, heaven forbid, but functioning in a specific way in the spirit.
Paul was the father of their faith not of their flesh nor of their spirits.
God is the Father of Christ who is the Father of our eternal life. Both things are true at the same time.
If you want, I could share my insight about why Christ is coming for a Bride. Just ask.
Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45: 1-6
So you are you saying that the writings of Genesis 1 were written by the inspiration of men or were written according to the words that the Holy Ghost spoke unto them?
Isn't an apostle basically a disciple, a student who follows the teachings of a particular person, prophet, or Master?
Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not? Matt 9:14
Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples. John 9:28
And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Acts 11:26
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. Matt 10:2-4
No. All apostles are disciples but not all disciples are apostles. There were disciples that weren't apostles.
There are only 12 Apostles of the Lamb. They are all with the Lord now. However, there are other apostles named in the New Testament: Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silvanus/Silas, Titus, and Matthias.
Some say that the disciples mentioned here are actually apostles:
"And after these things the Lord appointed also other seventy-two: and he sent them (apostellō) two and two before his face into every city and place whither he himself was to come."
Since apostellō simply means "to be sent", the 72 here in Luke 10 may be also be called apostles.
“For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.“
amen
“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
Isaiah 43:10-11 KJV
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ….In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
….And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:1-2, 4, 14, 18 KJV
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14 KJV
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Matthew 1:21-23 KJV
“The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined…..
….For unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
Isaiah 9:6-8 KJV
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:9-13 KJV
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
“Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;”
Deuteronomy 7:9 KJV
“God was manifest in the flesh,”
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. Matt 10:2-4
“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Revelation 21:14
judas was condemned and lost and later replaced ( not when Peter cast lots before pentocost but when Jesus the risen lamb , appeared in glory to and called Paul to be his 12th apostle ) in tbe roadto Damascus
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
John 6:70 KJV
“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
John 17:12
later (Jesus himself ) chooses Paul as his twelth apostle.
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
Romans 1:1, 3
“And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,”
Mark 3:14 KJV
“And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.”
Matthew 10:1 KJV
Paul could not have testified to men about Jesus's ministry, John's baptism, and ascension so he could not have been one of the twelve.
"Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
Simply saying "I saw Jesus in the spirit" would not have convinced any lawful Jew of Jesus's resurrection. By the time Paul was released to preach, the work of confirming Jesus's ministry, baptism, death, resurrection, and ascension was already well established.
Also, in Paul's own words, he acknowledges "the twelve" which included Matthias.
1 Corinthians 15:3-5 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve..."
Furthermore, the Holy Spirit, Who only does what the Lord tells Him to do, calls both Barnabas and Paul at the same time:
"Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, 'Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.' 3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away."
Just a bit later, we see that both Barnabas and Paul were called apostles:
"But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude..."
And Barnabas was clearly NOT of the twelve either.
The distinction of the Twelve, from other apostles, is that they could be a witness of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus because they actually witnessed those events with their own eyes. "Witness" is a legal term that was very important to the Jews: on the account of 12 men of age (The Apostles of the Lamb) there could be no argument against what they proclaimed. Not only did their number surpass the legal requirement for confirming something as true, but the fact that 12 men, a number significant to the Jews, arose to confirm Jesus as Lord "cut men to their hearts".
It is also folly to say that because of Paul's influence he should be included among "The Apostles of the Lamb". That's man's reasoning and entirely not necessary. Paul had his place and the Twelve had theirs. The other apostles mentioned in scripture had theirs, too.
“Paul could not have testified to men about Jesus's ministry, John's baptism, and ascension so he could not have been one of the twelve.”
Paul received the gospel by revelation , so yeah he could have and did like right here
“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.”
1 Corinthians 11:2
a biblical fact though is that Jesus only chose annointed and appointed 12 men in person , after his resurrection to be his witnesses to all humanity …..the eleven after Judas was removed and paul .
Jesus the lamb chose 12 . One can argue “ Matthias is one of the twelve “ bit Matthias and not paul os the one chosen completely differently
matthias was chosen because a lot fell on him pul eas chosen and appointed by the Risen lord Jesus . It’s simple math I have already and can show you again jesus choosing the eleven and paul who makes 12
seems simple to know who the twelve apostles of the lamb are jesus chose twelve men in person and told them “ you will be my witness to all creation all nations .
jesus never told matthias that but he told the eleven he chose and also told pul that same thing
It’s alright brother if you don’t agree honestly it seems plain tbough jesus personally chose 12 and told them in scriptire your going to be my witnesses to everyone …..
and the real proof is thier words who he appointed still witness to anyone who reads the New Testament…….paul is one of Jesus apostles and was chosen exactly as they all were by Jesus appearing and choosing and appointing them to thier role
You are conflating the gospel with the witness of Jesus life, death, and resurrection. You cannot do that.
Paul could not have been a legal witness to any of those events according to the standard of the Jewish law. He could not have stood up with Peter as a witness to what Peter preached in Acts 2:
"But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day."
Today, as He did after His ascension, the Lord personally works through the Holy Spirit.
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
All apostles were chosen by the risen Lord Jesus through the Holy Spirit, else you would have to ignore the work of the Holy Spirit when He set apart Timothy, Tutus, Barnabas, Matthias, etc. Of when the Lord, through the Spirit, distributes gifts of power. When the Holy Spirit chooses someone it is as if the Lord Himself is choosing someone. There is no schism. They are one.
An understanding of how kingdom authority works is necessary to see these things.
To this comment:
"Jesus the lamb chose 12 . One can argue “ Matthias is one of the twelve “ bit Matthias and not paul os the one chosen completely differently"
You are forgetting that the Lord spoke to the teachers and prophet gathered with Saul/Paul and Barnabas when the Lord told them:
'Separate unto me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.'
Is this not personal enough?
Anyone who is led by the Spirit of God will not speak for God unless they are spoken to do so. So, the teachers and prophets gathered there were not making their own decision to release Saul and Barnabas as apostles, they were following the Lord's direction by the Spirit.
John 16:12-13 does not have the word "direct", which implies that God dictates revelation word by word.
2Pet. 1:21 says that prophets were "carried along" by the HS, which suggests a more dynamic method of inspiration
along the lines of Paul, who communicated the Gospel in his epistles without quoting Jesus word for word.
““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”
John 14:15-23 ESV
Yes! We know Him because He (directly) reveals Himself to us. We know the truth because He (directly) reveals it to us (Jn 16:13). We know the deep things of God because He (directly) reveals them to us (1 Cor 2:10-11). Whe know we are children of God and joint heirs with Christ because He (directly) reveals these things to us (Rom 8:16-17). We know the desires of the Spirit because He (directly) reveals them to us (Gal 5:16-16).““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”
John 14:15-23 ESV
By the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh (Rom 8:13). By the Spirit we cry out to God, Abba Father (Rom 8:15). By the Sprit we groan within ourselves eagerly awaiting the redemption of our bodies (Rom 8:23). By the Spirit we know that Jesus lives in our hearts (1 Jn 3:24).
From New Life in Christ Jesus - Everything We Need for Life and Godliness:
Let me be clear. Every true Christian hears God’s voice. I know it is so because Jesus said so: “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27). And if a person does not hear His voice, then he does not belong to the Lord. I know this is so because Jesus said so: “But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you” (John 10:26). I like the shepherd and sheep analogy, but Jesus also said the same thing without it: “He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God” (John 8:47).
Therefore, it is impossible for me to believe that there are Christians out there in the world who do not hear God’s voice. But I do concede that many Christians may be so uncertain about the sound of God’s voice that they may find it difficult to identify His voice when He speaks to them. They may not realize, for instance, that every time they learn the true meaning of Scripture that it is always a result of personal interaction with the Holy Spirit. Consequently, when God guides them to the truth, they may not specifically recognize Him as having done it. They may be like the author I mentioned above and only have a nagging suspicion that God had something to do with it.