refers to water baptism in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the spirit
Is Salvation instantaneous and permanent?
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"Be a sinner and sin strongly, but more strongly have faith and rejoice in Christ” Martin Luther
now-a-days, too many people will take that the incorrect way. in fact, i don't care for that statement.
But you keep making both into something as if they are the same thing.
We are to be born TWICE. (born again)
First = water. Mother broke water to give birth to you.
Second = Spirit! The Holy Spirit begets your human spirit.
To not be interested in natural childbirth?
That is a snooty attitude to have towards what we need to know to avoid error and apostasy.
You save a lot of energy being the way you are?
Thinking requires energy...
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.
Proverbs 12:1
Believers are to drink water baptism?
Do you not know what it means to be born again? God includes us in Christ. In Him, we die to the old nature we inherited from Adam. The good new is that Christ did not stay dead. As Lord Jesus rose from the dead, so do we.
There is no need for any religious gymnastics in order to be born again. Religious endeavours do not change the natures of people. You cannot crucify yourself and you surely cannot raise yourself from death. Salvation is entirely and solely because of Calvary. Even being KJV only won't save you.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20"
"Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast in His presence."There is no need for any religious gymnastics in order to be born again. Religious endeavours do not change the natures of people. You cannot crucify yourself and you surely cannot raise yourself from death. Salvation is entirely and solely because of Calvary. Even being KJV only won't save you.
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20"
"It is because of Him - GOD- that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”
Every exhortation to live the godly life is to those who are already born again. Good works do not save you. They do determine your placement in God's kingdom. Good works should be the result of the new birth. Good works will not save you. And if God has put you into Christ, who can take you out? And if your new, born again spirit that is of God is eternal, then how can it die?
John 3:16, Acts 16:31
Problem solved........Unless we want to be "the best WORLD theologian around.." And MUCK it up for all the unbelievers.
Seems to me that all the loss of salvation/forfeiting of salvation/enduring for salvation crowd can't see......NEVER PERISH.
He that believes that Jesus is Lord will obey Him by getting baptised. Why would someone not obey Jesus command to the apostles that they should baptise those who believe? Either, because they have never read the command; or they are incapacitated and cannot get baptised; or because they do not regard Jesus as their Lord, but only want to escape the fire. Does someone who refuses to obey Jesus in this very easy act of obedience have good reason to profess that they believe He is Lord?
Truly believing Jesus is demonstrated by obeying His command to get baptised, just as not eating from the forbidden tree was demonstrating trust in God as Lord.
You've answered your own question. If anyone can be born again without being baptised, then it is not essential to being born again. Believers should be baptised. That comes after being born again. If obedience was the absolute requirement for salvation, no one would be saved because no one obeys God perfectly. That includes you.
I suggest that you read John 1:12 again. Tell me where it says baptism is for salvation. Likewise John 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Where is baptism referred to here?
Anyone professing to believe in Jesus for salvation and yet refusing to be water baptized is of questionable sincerity. It's unthinkable that anyone who truly believes the gospel would refuse to be water baptized. I could not wait to get water baptized after my conversion and I cannot think of one Christian that I know who has refused to be water baptized after their conversion. It logically follows that we get water baptized after we believe and are saved, but if someone is on their death bed and cannot get baptized before death, they are still saved because they BELIEVED (John 3:18; Acts 10:43; Romans 1:16) which is in harmony with Mark 16:16(b)..but he who does not believe will be condemned. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "water baptized or condemned."
I've heard certain folks abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach "sinless perfection." Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
how do we obtain union with Christ?
do we posses eternal salvation the first moment we believe?
thks
do you believe this?
rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.
thks
do you believe this?
rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.
thks
If salvation was according to "faith alone" we would have salvation when we first believed correct?
thks
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