-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
B
There were 700 witnesses to the assention of Christ. That is that many or more people saw him after he was dead. If you dig back at the eye-witness testimonies you'll uncover that. Plus there are many old cities from the Bible that we are discovering every day in the exact places where they were recorded to be according to the Biblical record. Aside from that Muslims believe in the Christian Bible, yet our Bible, especially the New Testament is clearly contradictory to the beliefs of the Muslim faith. Jews are still waiting for their Messiah, yet Jesus filled the Scriptural requirements for the Messiah according to the Old Testament which they say they believe in. Jews today usually aren't devout enough in their own religion to notice this. Every other religion you can think of their God is dead. There's no sense in believing in a dead God. Budda died. Confusious died. other items of worship are even of lower value than a human such as wood or stone in the form of a statue.
S
If you were to be asking right or wrong for a purpose, there is always a third option. It is the wrong question.
For example: what shall I do? Answer: what is God asking you to do.
For me, same here. To me, comparative religion DOESN'T HAPPEN. My position is spiritual. I am laid out in awe and worship. When I'm up I'm running, in joy, peace and obedience for the love of God.
For example: what shall I do? Answer: what is God asking you to do.
For me, same here. To me, comparative religion DOESN'T HAPPEN. My position is spiritual. I am laid out in awe and worship. When I'm up I'm running, in joy, peace and obedience for the love of God.
That's a biased analogy, but I agree with it in part. I have a Chinese friend who believes that the Party brainwashes Chinese people into believing in atheism. Did I mention he's an agnostic, himself? Rather than accepting the Communist Party's word on God he's begun to start asking questions about it, himself.
So does brainwashing occur? Yes. Can a person be brainwashed into believing a lie? Yes. Can they be brainwashed into believing a truth? Yes. It's called deprogramming. So does brainwashing have any effect on what the truth is? No. So such an argument for being brainwashed into believing a religion or lack thereof has no bearing on the actual truth.
Religion also does not force you to suppress cognitive thinking skills. Aristotle once purportedly said, "It is the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Do I have doubts? Sometimes. Do I just blow them off? No, I often debate with myself to explore the veracity of ideas. And I've arrived at the conclusion that since we will not have definitive proof in our lifetimes the best belief is the most logical belief. Is Buddhism a logical belief for me? No, because it uses deception. How can I believe in something that professes to deceive to achieve its goals? Is Santa Claus a logical belief? No, because there is evidence to show his origins. Is Satanism a logical belief? Probably not as logical as Christianity on which it depends.
Is Egyptian sun-worship logical? No, because we all know that there is no Kephri rolling the sun around in the sky like a giant ball of dung.
Is Christianity logical? Archaeology continues to prove the Biblical account of history, and while prophecies may be open to interpretation there is also strong evidence for them from the Bible. If they were completely inaccurate then there would be no other interpretation for them except for "they have not come true yet" or "they are false." Is there evidence for Jesus? More evidence for him than perhaps other historical figures commonly held as fact. I'm not going to question Aristotle's existence unless I have some reason to disprove him, but I'd be willing to bet there is much more evidence for Christ than for Aristotle (everything from the Pilate inscription to the geographic spread of Christianity from a region in which Christianity would have been the most difficult to come from if the Gospels were fake). So is there something for atheists to gain in trying to disprove Christ?
So does brainwashing occur? Yes. Can a person be brainwashed into believing a lie? Yes. Can they be brainwashed into believing a truth? Yes. It's called deprogramming. So does brainwashing have any effect on what the truth is? No. So such an argument for being brainwashed into believing a religion or lack thereof has no bearing on the actual truth.
Religion also does not force you to suppress cognitive thinking skills. Aristotle once purportedly said, "It is the mark of an intelligent mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Do I have doubts? Sometimes. Do I just blow them off? No, I often debate with myself to explore the veracity of ideas. And I've arrived at the conclusion that since we will not have definitive proof in our lifetimes the best belief is the most logical belief. Is Buddhism a logical belief for me? No, because it uses deception. How can I believe in something that professes to deceive to achieve its goals? Is Santa Claus a logical belief? No, because there is evidence to show his origins. Is Satanism a logical belief? Probably not as logical as Christianity on which it depends.
Is Egyptian sun-worship logical? No, because we all know that there is no Kephri rolling the sun around in the sky like a giant ball of dung.
Is Christianity logical? Archaeology continues to prove the Biblical account of history, and while prophecies may be open to interpretation there is also strong evidence for them from the Bible. If they were completely inaccurate then there would be no other interpretation for them except for "they have not come true yet" or "they are false." Is there evidence for Jesus? More evidence for him than perhaps other historical figures commonly held as fact. I'm not going to question Aristotle's existence unless I have some reason to disprove him, but I'd be willing to bet there is much more evidence for Christ than for Aristotle (everything from the Pilate inscription to the geographic spread of Christianity from a region in which Christianity would have been the most difficult to come from if the Gospels were fake). So is there something for atheists to gain in trying to disprove Christ?
Last edited:
Is atheism logical? There is a particular brand of atheism that supposes that God's existence is unfalsifiable but at the same time claims that there is no God (i.e. claims that God's existence has been falsified). So this particular brand of atheism is not logical because it contradicts itself in the very core of its belief. Is agnosticism logical? I suppose if one thought solipsism was logical then they could also claim that agnosticism is logical, but then there would be no need to post on this forum because doing so is an act of faith in the belief that others exist who can witness your thoughts.
Furthermore everyone follows the agnostic mindset to a certain extent. Even many agnostics place their faith in various things throughout the day whether or not they do so with the divine. So while they choose to neither believe nor disbelieve in God, they simultaneously choose to believe that if they sit on a chair it won't collapse or that if they talk to a person that person really exists. But you can't prove these things beyond all doubt. There is no definitive proof in the same way there is no definitive proof for the existence of a God. So agnostics apply the agnostic frame of mind to the universe in varying degrees. In their creed it expresses itself primarily with the divine.
As far as I'm concerned I believe in the divine, but I do not claim to know for certain that God exists. I just claim to trust that he does because of the evidence I've seen in my own life and studies. Trust and knowledge are two different things. But trust is not a bad thing if you have a reason to trust in the thing you do.
As far as I'm concerned I believe in the divine, but I do not claim to know for certain that God exists. I just claim to trust that he does because of the evidence I've seen in my own life and studies. Trust and knowledge are two different things. But trust is not a bad thing if you have a reason to trust in the thing you do.
S
Logical (or even illogical) thought in a discussion about belief presupposes the mind is the sum and centre of belief.
It is not.
(It is the total human being.)
(Many an agnostic lives a life loving their wives, making some decisions based on intuition and so on, yet discuss from the basis I am my mind.)
It is not.
(It is the total human being.)
(Many an agnostic lives a life loving their wives, making some decisions based on intuition and so on, yet discuss from the basis I am my mind.)
I'm not sure I follow. How does one believe with their mustache? And if that is possible is the extent of a woman's faith limited since they cannot grow as faithful of mustaches? I think any belief is run through our mind first and then has an effect on our bodies to a certain extent. Intuition is not just a "gut feeling". It starts with the mind. If you don't have one then you're not going to have intuition.