Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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Moses shattered the tablets written with God's own hand, rounded in His Justice, and God chesed and racham (mercy and compassion) allowed him to fashion another set, himself. Do you see the reflection of Jesus there? Similarly, Jesus smashed the commandments but introduce an entirely new set of commandments, grounded in His Love. You don't have to see it for it to be true.
No.
 
nothing in Hebrews 1:3 or whole chapter, you must have the wrong one
Where is it that Jesus Christ states HE is Lord of every Day?? not Paul talking about one person holds this day or that as something,
He upholds the universe by the word of His power. He has been given all authority by the Father. He is Lord of all. That would include being Lord of every day.
 
He upholds the universe by the word of His power. He has been given all authority by the Father. He is Lord of all. That would include being Lord of every day.
Right?!

The passage is "For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” It's not "He is Lord of the Sabbath... to the exclusion of all other days."

I mean, can you imagine thinking that Jesus is not Lord on Tuesdays? 😧
 
Right?!

The passage is "For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” It's not "He is Lord of the Sabbath... to the exclusion of all other days."

I mean, can you imagine thinking that Jesus is not Lord on Tuesdays? 😧
We have too many with too little understanding of Jesus. No wonder people have lost their sense of awe.
 
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You suggest your impression is reflective of Father's. Who should be impressed?

Nope I am not, just wondering if the Father was.
He upholds the universe by the word of His power. He has been given all authority by the Father. He is Lord of all. That would include being Lord of every day

since Christ and the Father invented and created Time, that makes Him Lord of every split second as well.
Lots of ways to look at things.
I want to understand thing as God understands them
 
Yes ! I agree with your assessment of Ellen White's writings, not being of the same category as the Biblical Prophets. I'm just saying that she presents the same message as Noah, Elijah & John the Baptist. The same message given by the Holy Spirit, throughout the Bible, the same message given by Jesus and His Disciples. A message of hope and promise, that IF we listen to God, by His Word, His Holy Spirit, doing the Father's Will, we will be taught how to overcome and to repent, our earthly desires (selfishness & lusts = sin ) and take on the Character of Christ, His Righteousness, ( His "Right-doing" = sinlessness ) to become AGAIN, ( as it was in Eden ) a child of God, fit for heaven and eternity. ... PTL !


God does not leave us in darkness, as to who this earthly power, this beast, a kingdom, having the spirit of Satan, Anti-Christ will be, by pointing it out in the many biblical descriptions and prophecies. God is warning this, specifically !! It is the spirit that we are war against, for our souls, in this physical / spiritual world, daily, ... moment to moment. Praise God !!

  • Daniel 12:7: "...it shall be for a time, times, and a half..."(1260 years, AD 538-1798)
  • Revelation 12:14: "...she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time..." (1260 years, AD 538-1798)
The Papacy itself has been instrumental in corrupting the understandings of time prophecies, these last 500+ years, since ALL the Protestant Reformers, pointed out the Papacy as "The Anti-Christ " At the Council of Trent, held between 1545 and 1563, they initiated the "public relations" tactic of "damage control", calling it the "Counter Reformation" developing The Futurist view of scripture, which has become Dispensationalism, which I understand many here in this forum believe, much to their spiritual detriment.

So ... it has come till NOW, that the whole world, HERE & NOW is again, "wondering after the Beast", Rev, 13:3, as evident by Pres. Biden & Trump, paying homage to the Popes, and fixing to initiate ( mandate / making law ) Sunday worship, The MOTB.



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Well, I certainly agree with most if your comments. There is no question that she devoted her life to God and was an unbelievably prolific writer despite having no formal education.

There is one important thing I would respectfully ask you to consider… and unfortunately, it disagrees with the SDA’s interpretation (but again, it is an interpretation and not something that harms one’s salvation).

Please consider the reformation. As you know, this was a terrible time for the RCC. They may have felt like they were being pummeled from all sides. Many attacked them for their pompous words and practices and blasphemous beliefs - divinity of the pope, forgiveness of sins, way to salvation, indulgences, and worship of saints, Nary and idols, and many more…

They certainly took a real beating throughout Europe and lost many, many church members, status and power throughout the world.

Well, after completing a commentary on Daniel and perhaps 70% of Revelation, I am convinced that this “reformation” represents the “deadly wound” found in Revelation. And as you know, they were severely wounded or disgraced throughout the Christian world.

But I I’m also understand that this “deadly wound” was indeed healed as told in Revelation. There was only one reason this deadly wound was healed - it was entirely due to the efforts and practices of the “earth beast.”

It was this earth beast who came to rescue and restore the image and powers of this “sea beast “ - the papacy.

So, who came to their rescue and did anything they could to reverse that deadly wound? The earth beast is none other than the Jesuit order.

They began at this time and would stop at nothing to raise up the papacy to its pre- reformation status- and even greater ways.

Thanks.
 
Too late I'm dead.

Actually, I clicked on a post and it was yours and I don't know how to delete a post.
I'm very relieved to hear you are ok.... :ROFL:

If you had put some punctuation marks and other random items, it would have looked like you were cussin' me out.... like they used to show in the comic strips.....

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Lord of All

Paul Said 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him

the prophecy states, 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: (rugged)
he hath no form nor comeliness;
and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.

that picture is NOT Jesus Christ, Thank God!!! HE is not some long haired "pretty fellow"!

He was a rugged 'out doors' builder, not some pretty xxxxx, that never got his pretty little hands dirty.

he had two home most likely He built,

Sorry, pictures like that one, turn me off completely
 
"I will be boasting of what He has done,"????????

what is it Christ has done -- Exactly what?
??
Jesus Christ willingly died in payment for our transgressions of the Commandments/Torah,
He paid our penalty of death-- that payment does NOT mean we no longer need to obey --- it means we are no longer UNDER penalty of death for our sins ---- and sin is WHAT -- dis-obeying the Commandments!

IF, IF Christ removed the Law which states we must die for transgressing that law --- then transgressions would be impossible!

The error in understanding:

When Paul uses the term "under the Law" he is not implying we are no longer "Subject to the Law", we no longer need to obey the law

but--- once we understand Christ freed us from the penalty of death, by His death, because we broke Jesus Christs' HOLY righteous law, Paul is proclaiming ""WE"" are no longer "UNDER" the penalty of death for our sins.

Human nature hates to be told what it can not do and what it Must do--- the Holy Law of God has been hated since Adam and from whom did Adam and Eve learn how to hate God's righteous Law == Satan.

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: ----- for sin is the transgression of the law.

the Apostle John, loved by Christ, confirms sin is still with us, thus, the Torah is still enforce.

5 And ye know that he was manifested (came) to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: "BUT" whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


GWT. 6 Those who live in Christ don't go on sinning. Those who go on sinning haven't seen or known Christ.

Can it get any clearer than this? Sin exist! period!

and sin IS not obeying, not living --- according to the Commandments.

So tells us again what Christ has done for you?
Enough. You live under the law, I will live by grace. I am already spiritually in heaven. That's whateth Christ has doneth for meth.
 
Enough. You live under the law, I will live by grace. I am already spiritually in heaven. That's whateth Christ has doneth for meth.

I do not live by or because of grace, I live because my debt to sin has been paid in full. thus; I have the down payment, the Holy Spirit,
my guarantee of eternal life ---- only because of the sacrifice of my Passover.

My Father, in His kindness and Agape, while I was sinning up a storm so to speak, sent His Son to die for me. Me, a hater of all thing righteous and good. That is the Grace/Kindness of God.

While I was an unrepentant sinner, my Father called me to follow Christ, to follow what my Savior tells me I must do, so I can live forever, live for ever and never sin ever again, never paying the price for sin physically, pain and suffering and spiritually, eternal death!!
I was not searching for Christ, never entered my mind. hated church.

My reward is here on earth, I will assist the KING of Kings in ruling earth, no heaven for me or some rapture either, I am waiting for the better resurrection.

I know you can not understand that I am no longer under the Law, I live by it, as did and does Christ, but Christ paid my debt so I am no longer under the penalty of death.

Christ has shown me how to LOVE the HOLY RIGHTEOUS Law and enjoy all the wonderful benefits it offers. peace, happiness contentment, no fear on and on.

those not observing the law, are under it.
either one is lawful or unlawful, no in between.
 
Please consider the reformation. As you know, this was a terrible time for the RCC.
It sounds like you are almost "pitying" the Roman Church, for the Protestant Reformation.

No ! The Jesuit Order, is the main military order of the AntiChrist, ( NOT a beast ) (Along with the Knights of Malta) Secretly controlling world affairs, from behind the scenes, since they were formed in 1540, as part of the "counter reformation". On a Propaganda campaign these almost 500 years

The deadly wound was healed when Benito Mussolini in 1920, reinstated the Vatican as a State Power again, ( A Beast, again)

I don't mean to be unfriendly or rude, but I REALLY can't spend the time, here in the CC that I use to during this last Winter. My large garden is taking up much of my free time. I'm retired from the 8-5 grind for almost 25 years now, and the Lord has me working with the local brethren, teaching gardening, food preserving, wilderness ( camping ) skill, general survival skill for this "Time of Trouble" that we Adventist know is about to come upon the World. Wars, Starvation, Pestilence, weather calamities, you know, the usual "End of Days" stuff... Right here before our King Jesus returns to claim His Remnant Church ~~>>

Revelation 12:17 (KJV), which states: "And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman, ( we, the Church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints:
( The Church ) here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Let me direct you to some Adventism 101 Last Days teaching since you seem to have an interest in TRUE Bible End Time Prophecy, rather than this garbage interpretation that modern Dispensational Nominal Christianity spews, deceiving and misleading the general population, into complacency and misdirection. ( Just where Satan would have us ) = unaware ! & Asleep !


Lineage | The Great Controversy

FINAL DAYS: The Antichrist, Mark of the Beast, and the USA in Prophecy

Armageddon and the Final Events of Bible Prophecy

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It sounds like you are almost "pitying" the Roman Church, for the Protestant Reformation.

No ! The Jesuit Order, is the main military order of the AntiChrist, ( NOT a beast ) (Along with the Knights of Malta) Secretly controlling world affairs, from behind the scenes, since they were formed in 1540, as part of the "counter reformation". On a Propaganda campaign these almost 500 years

The deadly wound was healed when Benito Mussolini in 1920, reinstated the Vatican as a State Power again, ( A Beast, again)

I don't mean to be unfriendly or rude, but I REALLY can't spend the time, here in the CC that I use to during this last Winter. My large garden is taking up much of my free time. I'm retired from the 8-5 grind for almost 25 years now, and the Lord has me working with the local brethren, teaching gardening, food preserving, wilderness ( camping ) skill, general survival skill for this "Time of Trouble" that we Adventist know is about to come upon the World. Wars, Starvation, Pestilence, weather calamities, you know, the usual "End of Days" stuff... Right here before our King Jesus returns to claim His Remnant Church ~~>>

Revelation 12:17 (KJV), which states: "And the dragon (Satan) was wroth with the woman, ( we, the Church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints:
( The Church ) here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Let me direct you to some Adventism 101 Last Days teaching since you seem to have an interest in TRUE Bible End Time Prophecy, rather than this garbage interpretation that modern Dispensational Nominal Christianity spews, deceiving and misleading the general population, into complacency and misdirection. ( Just where Satan would have us ) = unaware ! & Asleep !


Lineage | The Great Controversy

FINAL DAYS: The Antichrist, Mark of the Beast, and the USA in Prophecy

Armageddon and the Final Events of Bible Prophecy

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There is absolutely no sympathy or empathy for the RCC.... I certainly could have given that sentence a much stronger impression, but I think the overall post worked out. Now, regarding the Jesuit Order, I am comfortable with this interpretation. A couple of important issues is the perfect timing of the "Order," the methods they would employ thoughout Europe and especially South America to restore the image of the sea beast (RCC). And also, they are not a secular power, but a religious power established for one purpose - to restore the image of the papacy throughout the world - by any means necessary. I am familiar with the SDA interpretation but it is incorrect. They have attempted to identify secular powers in many of the time prophecies in the later chapters of Daniel and as well here. The sea beast and the earth beast work together as one religious political power against the true gospel of Jesus - God is not bringing into His plan of salvation a secular power or powers. These beasts will go against His Word, His church, His people and God Himself. The identification of a power in our history books was considered the SDA interpretation only because they found a secular event during a certain time in our history books they could attach to the earth beast.
 
I do not live by or because of grace, I live because my debt to sin has been paid in full. thus; I have the down payment, the Holy Spirit,
my guarantee of eternal life ---- only because of the sacrifice of my Passover.

My Father, in His kindness and Agape, while I was sinning up a storm so to speak, sent His Son to die for me. Me, a hater of all thing righteous and good. That is the Grace/Kindness of God.

While I was an unrepentant sinner, my Father called me to follow Christ, to follow what my Savior tells me I must do, so I can live forever, live for ever and never sin ever again, never paying the price for sin physically, pain and suffering and spiritually, eternal death!!
I was not searching for Christ, never entered my mind. hated church.

My reward is here on earth, I will assist the KING of Kings in ruling earth, no heaven for me or some rapture either, I am waiting for the better resurrection.

I know you can not understand that I am no longer under the Law, I live by it, as did and does Christ, but Christ paid my debt so I am no longer under the penalty of death.

Christ has shown me how to LOVE the HOLY RIGHTEOUS Law and enjoy all the wonderful benefits it offers. peace, happiness contentment, no fear on and on.

those not observing the law, are under it.
either one is lawful or unlawful, no in between.

Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God
 
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Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God
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From Matthew 4 verse 4 Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.
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