Is Salvation instantaneous and permanent?
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what about deadly sin?
Gal 6:7-8
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
spiritual death caused by sin cannot be repented of after death!
death seals our fate!
either faithful in Christ or in sin!
thks
eternal life is the life of God that Christ shares with us in grace
when we die we will be judged
those judged faithful to Christ enter into eternal salvation!
thks
You got your little domain of power that allows you to have a sense of power over ignorant believers.
You got your power as you always craved....
And, you won't give it up to mature in Truth and the Spirit.
People like myself are just challenges to you for you to see how great you are at protecting your little niche you have carved out for yourself.
Enjoy your power over the ignorant.
Jesus is my Great High Priest. All believers are priests. Jesus saves. Man simply preaches the gospel. God does the rest.
25:46 καὶ (And) ἀπελεύσονται (they shall go away) οὗτοι (they) εἰς (into) κόλασιν (a punishment) αἰώνιον (age-lasting/aeonous) οἱ (the) δὲ (but) δίκαιοι (righteous) εἰς (into) ζωὴν (a life) αἰώνιον (age-lasting/aeonous).
And they shall go away into an age-lasting punishment, but the righteous into an age-lasting life.
An aeon (Greek aiOn) is not an everlasting duration. It is an aeonous (Greek aiOnios) period of time, an age-long duration.
As I said, I have not seen anywhere in scripture any mention of an everlasting punishment. "Everlasting punishment" is read into the scripture.
Why are you so obsessed with sin? Do you imagine that all who are born again are desperately trying to justify a sinful lifestyle? Do you see yourself as some kind of doom angel who has to warn every believer that they are one sin away from hell? I've learned a few things in my 75 years. One of them is that people talk about what is in their hearts. You are obsessed with sin. What does that say about you?
The destiny of mankind depends on one of two states. Either an individual is dead in trespass and sin, or he is alive in Christ. Those who die physically while dead spiritually face the second death. Those who die in Christ face Him as Justifier, not judge.
There is no Biblical basis for an opportunity to receive Christ after the second death.
Absence of evidence for something is not proof that it is not true, especially when theyre is also no evidence for the opposite claim being true. And there is also no biblical basis - where “biblical" means the Greek, Hebrew and Chaldee manuscripts that still survive - for the theory of everlasting torment.
It’s troubling that so many professing to be beneficiaries of God’s mercy through Jesus Christ are so keen to believe others will be cut off forever from that same gracious mercy we are enjoying.
Here's your shoe for the other foot.....
So you are saying that what joys the believer will receive? Will not be everlasting.
Do you mean, "So are you saying that the joys the believer will receive will not be everlasting?
No, I wasn't said that.
Obviously, beginning with A&E (Gen. 3:6-7).
really?
please explain why they have the same mission power and authority as Christ?
Jn 20:21-23
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
thks
more?
The church is an extension of Christ!
Mt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16 Gal 4:16
one true church!
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17
matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8
acts 2:42
acts 16:17
acts 17:18
the apostolic church commanded to teach, sanctify, and govern!
same ministry, power, and authority as Christ!
If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8
Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12
The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14
Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3
The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17
Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6
Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17
Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8
The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15
The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men! matt 28:19-20
Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32
Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
The church is an extension of Christ!
Mt 16:18-19 Jn 10:16 Gal 4:16
one true church!
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17
matt 28:19
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8
acts 2:42
acts 16:17
acts 17:18
the apostolic church commanded to teach, sanctify, and govern!
same ministry, power, and authority as Christ!
If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8
Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12
The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14
Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3
The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17
Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6
Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17
Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8
The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15
The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men! matt 28:19-20
Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32
Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
do you also believe soul sleep?
mk 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
thks
most people don't take these scripture warning's seriously!
works cancel works!
good works cancel evil works
works of the flesh cancel the works of the spirit, and the works of the spirit cancel or crush the works of the flesh!
we must do works, either the good works of the spirit in righteousness empowered by grace or we will fulfill the works of the flesh!
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
more?
we still have a fallen human nature and are oriented towards sin, but
God provides a remedy for sin in this life, suffering!
1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...
Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
2 tim 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
With faith, hope, & charity and all the virtues, prayer, fasting, alms etc.
in all things abiding in Christ
(Jn 15:1-6) endure unto the end!
(mt 10:22 rev 2:10)
thks