Control and use are not congruent concepts although I know you do like to conflate.
Revolution in Iran
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Control and use are not congruent concepts although I know you do like to conflate.
That's an argument, but the straight is actually within Iran and Oman's territorial waters, so there are well established legal grounds to claim the straight belongs to Iran (and Oman).
I think it's pretty much an established fact that Iran controls the straight at present - Iran is actively preventing US vessels from holding anchor in the straight, and Iran's vessels are presumably present to control other ships and extract fees. You could argue the straight is being contested (e.g. if all Iranian vessels are sunk), and the US blockade is indeed rendering it mostly useless. However, to say the US controls the straight is false in my opinion, unless "control" is severely redefined to mean something else from what is commonly understood.
Thanks. It's weird that people are actually arguing about this. I mean, I know why Trump is... But not anyone else.
Lol. It's like they think the US are some sort of god nation, which gets special privileges that other nations don't... Which is to a degree understandable, when one considers which nation is controlling the US.
It's no use conversing with those who can't even acknowledge control of something includes its use. Does one have control of a bank account if they can't access the funds? You've become a caricature of yourself.
Control in terms of a military context should use a military meaning, not a financial one. We're not talking finances, and the Straight of Hormuz isn't a bank account, as much as Trump might like to treat it as one.
You should check international law. Iran doesn't interrupt the flow of commerce legally. What they have done is an act of war. Imagine if they had nukes. Do you think they would use such leverage against others? Would they employ them against enemies?
The present regime is a worldwide threat.
Chinese and other ships that pay the toll are getting through
Lol. The US attacked Iran. Until then, the straight was open.
This was a good insult - lol. But... I don't think we can have a serious conversation. You seem to lack self-awareness when it comes to crimes the US has committed.
Is the US letting these through aswell? I got the impression China is staying out of this one, provided the US lets its ships through.
Numbers of them are getting through. THe US doesn't have the capabilty to stop everyone.
Perhaps you have not read my posts, I do expect blowback. Have you seen my latest investment advice in the thread "Chicken Little Strikes again!"?
I'm just wondering how long that's sustainable for. If the US pirates a ship or two of oil every pass, surely it can only go on for so long... Or does it just get translated into a cost, and everyone pays for it... In which case, the answer to my question is probably indefinitely...
Agree, plus they cannot afford to be too confrontational with China, I mean the oligarchs just traveled there to secure a deal.
International law is a buzzword similar to human rights. It means nothing and the losers are always whining about it, only to do the same or worse if the tables were turned.