Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe
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Are you saying that babies and young children that die should go to the Lake of Fire? Would that be reasonable, logical, an biblical? And, on what basis would God send them to the Lake of Fire?
Eddie, babies do not go to heaven OR the lake of Fire ---
Every human ever conceived in a womb is given their ONE opportunity for eternal life, all 100 billion or more.
no one goes to heaven, at death or at any time.
there is the first resurrection before the 1000 years and the 2nd after the 1000 years. that is when babies that died and the 100 billion are raised back to flesh and given their chance for eternal life.
Every human must repent, babies can not repent -- many at the time of death could not even talk or walk.
what confusion!!!
God is just and wants all 100 billion to be "born from above", no longer created beings, into HIS divine Family. we are Born by a spirit birth-- into God's Family as sons.
No. They don't go anywhere.
The Bible doesn't mention babies specifically.
The Bible mentions two resurrections: 1) The resurrection of Jesus' followers at his coming, and 2) the resurrection of the dead after the millennial period.
The Bible says that at the Final Judgment, people will be judged according to their deeds. Judgment is always tied to deeds done in the body (2 Cor 5:10). We know that babies commit no deeds to be judged and neither do they possess the maturity necessary to make moral choices.
We also know that God is righteous, impartial, compassionate, and never punishes the innocent.
I personally think that God will have mercy on all babies. But I could not comfort a grieving mother based on my own personal feelings. The Bible is silent on the subject.
Ezekiel says that God will unite the two kingdoms into one kingdom. Ezekiel 37:15-28. The current nation of Israel is a fulfillment of that prophecy.
Can you elaborate more? What seems off?
Would you like to give more details on this? What will this chance look like? What will be the criteria for salvation during the final judgment? I would like to hear your thoughts.
The ultimate narrative purpose of God is the display of His glory. Everything He does — creation, covenant, judgment, redemption — serves that end. The short answer is this: God gives spiritual blessings such as faith, grace, and salvation because they advance His narrative purpose. These gifts are not random acts of kindness; they are deliberate plot‑moves in the story He is telling. By granting faith, He creates characters who trust Him. By giving grace, He reveals His generosity. By saving people, He showcases His mercy and power. In other words, spiritual blessings are not merely benefits to individuals — they are narrative instruments through which God displays His character, fulfills His promises, and brings the story of creation to its intended climax
I see and where does one find this in scripture where God uses salvation to magnify and glorify Himself?
when have the Israelites ever been two different nations since Christ divided then in to the House of Israel (10 tribes) and the House of Judah (2 tribes) and you are someone stated this prophecy has been fulled with the tiny country of Israel.
I do not see two of any thing, I see a few million Jews and no mention of Ephraim.
Sure.
- Ephesians 1:6 — God predestines and adopts “to the praise of the glory of His grace.”
- Ephesians 1:12 — believers exist “to the praise of His glory.”
- Ephesians 1:14 — the Spirit seals us “to the praise of His glory.”
- God made us alive “so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace” (Eph 2:7).
- “to make known the riches of His glory for vessels of mercy” (Rom 9:23)
- Isaiah 43:7 — “everyone… whom I created for my glory.”
- Isaiah 48:9–11 — “For my name’s sake I defer my anger… My glory I will not give to another.”
- Ezekiel 36:22–23 — God restores Israel “for the sake of my holy name… and the nations will know that I am the LORD.”
Israel became two separate nations at the schism of Shechem, when the northern ten tribes broke away from the southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin, forming the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. This division lasted for centuries, and after the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles the two kingdoms never reunited as a single political entity. For nearly two millennia the Jewish people lived scattered among the nations, preserving their identity without a homeland. Then, in 1948, the modern State of Israel was established, bringing the Jewish people together again as one nation in the land—something unprecedented in world history and often seen as a national “reunification” after the ancient split.
After the schism at Shechem, the northern ten tribes formed their own kingdom under Jeroboam, and because the tribe of Ephraim was the dominant tribe in the north, Scripture often uses “Ephraim” as a shorthand name for the entire northern nation. The southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin became the kingdom of Judah, and the two kingdoms remained divided until both eventually fell into exile. The prophets regularly speak of “Ephraim” and “Judah” as the two estranged halves of God’s people, especially in passages that promise future healing and reunification. This is why Ezekiel’s two‑sticks prophecy joins “Judah” and “Ephraim” — it symbolizes God’s intention to reunite what was divided. In that sense, Ephraim is directly connected to the long narrative arc of Israel’s division, dispersion, and the remarkable re‑emergence of the Jewish people as a single nation in the land in 1948.
God has assembled the dry bones. He will soon pour out his spirit on them.
If there has been 100 billion up to now and, a guess, another 100 billion during the 1000 years
200 billion will need to repent of sin, be baptized and over come their human nature and satan over their life time ---- God is the same today and always
to receive the Gift of eternal life it is the same plan for every one, everyone must repent
the first resurrection is the Bride of Christ that will rule with Him for 1000 years
after the 1000 years the 100 billion or what ever it is, will be resurrected to human life and given their first and only chance for eternal life.
Those in Noah's flood, those before Christ and those now that have not been called during the last 2000 years, they all get their one chance for life!
There is no respecter of persons with God -- same for every single person ever born!
if it is still not clear let me know I will try to see how to explain it better. there is a lot more to this
Roger I believe every Jew is a Hebrew but not every Hebrew is a Jew,
the first time the word Jew is in the bible, the House of Israel was at war with the Jews.
rob is short for robert, Jew is short for Ju-dah
the Jews are the tribe of Judah and Benjamin
there are many prophecies that can not be unless it is as I just wrote
The One criteria that Jesus will use is how a person treated a child of God. Jesus describes this in Matthew 25.