Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe

[Roger316]

But the family line (your phrase) started with, and was through, Abraham and Isaac, not Esau. And as I posted yesterday, the elect, and only the elect, are that spiritual family line, his physical seed are not his spiritual line. Otherwise, all of Abraham's seed - all of the Jews - would have to become saved because they would be in his family line, but they won't be.

Are you thinking of individuals or nations? In Romans 9, Paul addresses the nation of Israel. Remember, he already spent 8 entire chapters arguing for individual election and justification by faith apart from works. Romans chapter 9 begins a new section in which Paul addresses an objection to his gospel that arises from God's promise to his kinsmen.

Look at it this way. Suppose God chooses to save Joe. What will God do for Joe? According to Ephesians 1:13–14, God seals him with the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of his inheritance. In other words, when God saves someone, He gives His Spirit as the mark of belonging and the power for new life.

Now take that same pattern and apply it to God’s promises to Israel. God has said He will save a remnant of Israel in the future. If God intends to save them, then He will do for them what He does for anyone He saves: He will pour out His Spirit on them. This is exactly what the prophets described—God giving His Spirit to Israel so they will repent, believe, and be restored as His people.”

 

[Roger316]

you mean before the Torah was included in the Covenant as our "Consideration"?

how then did Abraham keep the Torah?

Genesis 26:5 says Abraham obeyed God’s voice, charge, commandments, statutes, and laws. These terms sound Mosaic, but they are functioning as a comprehensive obedience formula, not a reference to Sinai legislation.

In other words, Moses uses the vocabulary of later covenant obedience to describe the quality of Abraham’s obedience. Abraham responded faithfully to every form of divine instruction he received—direct revelation, not Torah.

 

[Magenta]

But the family line (your phrase) started with, and was through, Abraham and Isaac, not Esau. And as I posted yesterday, the elect, and only the elect, are that spiritual family line, his physical seed are not his spiritual line. Otherwise, all of Abraham's seed - all of the Jews - would have to become saved because they would be in his family line, but they won't be.

[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[Rom 9:7-8 KJV]
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

From Galatians 4 v 22-24 plus 28-29 and 5 v 1 Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery. We, like Isaac, are children of promise. The son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.

 

[rogerg]

Are you thinking of individuals or nations? In Romans 9, Paul addresses the nation of Israel. Remember, he already spent 8 entire chapters arguing for individual election and justification by faith apart from works. Romans chapter 9 begins a new section in which Paul addresses an objection to his gospel that arises from God's promise to his kinsmen.

Look at it this way. Suppose God chooses to save Joe. What will God do for Joe? According to Ephesians 1:13–14, God seals him with the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of his inheritance. In other words, when God saves someone, He gives His Spirit as the mark of belonging and the power for new life.

Now take that same pattern and apply it to God’s promises to Israel. God has said He will save a remnant of Israel in the future. If God intends to save them, then He will do for them what He does for anyone He saves: He will pour out His Spirit on them. This is exactly what the prophets described—God giving His Spirit to Israel so they will repent, believe, and be restored as His people.”

No. In Romans 9, God is addressing the doctrine of election —how and why it occurs and the earthly types and pictures that He used to illustrate it—it focuses not on Israel nor the Jews but on the elect and non-elect - guess you either didn't read or understand my #449 post to you of yesterday.

Those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace, not by lineage. The same is true for all peoples, nations, and tongues: all who become saved are part of some remnant, not only the Jews are. If salvation were based on lineage, then all Jews must become saved, but clearly that is not the case. Those of the Jewish remnant are saved “according to the election of grace,” which is the exact same basis as everyone else who becomes saved: they become so only because they are among the elect and thereby given God's grace. We know the other Jews were not given God's grace because their faith is in themselves and in their works for salvation, and not in Christ as Savior, and therefore, not of the elect.

[Rom 11:5-7 KJV]
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

 

[memberofthebride]

Genesis 26:5 says Abraham obeyed God’s voice, charge, commandments, statutes, and laws. These terms sound Mosaic, but they are functioning as a comprehensive obedience formula, not a reference to Sinai legislation.

In other words, Moses uses the vocabulary of later covenant obedience to describe the quality of Abraham’s obedience. Abraham responded faithfully to every form of divine instruction he received—direct revelation, not Torah.

That is your tail I sit on mine.

What I have come to understand; the folks have become masters at "wording" things in to their own liking.

here is a great one "the Law is the shadow of the reality",

I have never heard yours before, this is a new one "comprehensive obedience formula"

I wonder what Jesus Christ will say?

 

[memberofthebride]

But the family line (your phrase) started with, and was through, Abraham and Isaac, not Esau. And as I posted yesterday, the elect, and only the elect, are that spiritual family line, his physical seed are not his spiritual line. Otherwise, all of Abraham's seed - all of the Jews - would have to become saved because they would be in his family line, but they won't be.

[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[Rom 9:7-8 KJV]
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

rogerg,

I have been looking for years and years and never found one scripture the called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob anything other then Hebrews.

Even in the captivity in Egypt the 12 tribes are called Hebrews never Jews

if you have found a scripture please post it

Wouldn't it be funny if the three are not Jews,, that would kind of screws up lots of folks -- that would mean Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

this is important so please post the scripture.

 

[Roger316]

That is your tail I sit on mine.

What I have come to understand; the folks have become masters at "wording" things in to their own liking.

here is a great one "the Law is the shadow of the reality",

I have never heard yours before, this is a new one "comprehensive obedience formula"

I wonder what Jesus Christ will say?

The Short answer is this. The Torah didn't exist during the time of Abraham. God taught Abraham directly, not through a written document.

 

[Roger316]

No. In Romans 9, God is addressing the doctrine of election —how and why it occurs and the earthly types and pictures that He used to illustrate it—it focuses not on Israel nor the Jews but on the elect and non-elect - guess you either didn't read or understand my #449 post to you of yesterday.

While I agree, he mentions the doctrine of election in that context, he tells us his purpose for writing chapter 9 in the first five verses. Romans 9:1-5

Paul signals the entire debate of Romans 9 in his opening lines by insisting that “the adoption as sons” belongs to his kinsmen according to the flesh. That phrase is not incidental; it is Paul deliberately naming the very category his opponents think invalidates his gospel. If God promised covenant blessings to Israel as a nation, then Israel’s unbelief seems to call God’s faithfulness into question. Paul meets that objection head‑on by emphasizing “flesh” at the outset, as if to say: Yes, I know exactly what God promised to ethnic Israel — and that is the very promise I am about to defend. His argument does not dodge the national, flesh‑and‑blood dimension of Israel’s calling; it starts by affirming it.

Those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace, not by lineage. The same is true for all peoples, nations, and tongues: all who become saved are part of some remnant, not only the Jews are.

Granted, those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace, but the subject matter in Romans 9 is God's promise to Israel. Everything you said about the basis of the election is true, and I agree.

I am glad that you quoted Romans 11, where Paul makes the point very clear. The early verses of chapter 11 make the point about a remnant group of Jewish people who are among the elect according to God's grace.

Paul ends Romans 11 by insisting that Israel’s present unbelief is neither total nor final. The “partial hardening” he describes is a temporary, divinely‑governed stage in redemptive history, not the cancellation of God’s covenant. This is why Paul can speak with such confidence that “all Israel will be saved”: he is not predicting the salvation of every individual Jew across time, but the future moment when God removes the hardness from the nation and brings about the very promise Jeremiah articulated — each man and his brother knowing the Lord. In Paul’s logic, the national restoration promised in the prophets remains a live, future hope, and the current hardening is the mechanism by which God is preparing the fullness of Gentile inclusion. Once that fullness arrives, God will act again toward Israel in mercy, fulfilling the covenantal promise on a corporate scale.

 

[NightTwister]

night, it is not by my will or power or mind, I can do nothing, eternal life is a free unearned gift.
I am just a human being with human nature, If the Father had not called me I would not be here or alive
but living in this world run by Satan, one can only endure.
i am all most done with my 9th decade -- the evil I have seen, the pain and suffering!!!

and seeing what these folks on this site believe --
it can only get worse and It will.

If you can't define it, you can't insist on it. Hopium won't get you eternal life.

 

[memberofthebride]

The Short answer is this. The Torah didn't exist during the time of Abraham. God taught Abraham directly, not through a written document.

I will agree during Abraham's time the Torah was not written in a book or even a scroll , Christ had to have taught it to him.
they most likely had some kind of written documents back then but they are long gone.

While I agree, he mentions the doctrine of election in that context, he tells us his purpose for writing chapter 9 in the first five verses. Romans 9:1-5

Paul signals the entire debate of Romans 9 in his opening lines by insisting that “the adoption as sons” belongs to his kinsmen according to the flesh. That phrase is not incidental; it is Paul deliberately naming the very category his opponents think invalidates his gospel. If God promised covenant blessings to Israel as a nation, then Israel’s unbelief seems to call God’s faithfulness into question. Paul meets that objection head‑on by emphasizing “flesh” at the outset, as if to say: Yes, I know exactly what God promised to ethnic Israel — and that is the very promise I am about to defend. His argument does not dodge the national, flesh‑and‑blood dimension of Israel’s calling; it starts by affirming it.


Granted, those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace, but the subject matter in Romans 9 is God's promise to Israel. Everything you said about the basis of the election is true, and I agree.

I am glad that you quoted Romans 11, where Paul makes the point very clear. The early verses of chapter 11 make the point about a remnant group of Jewish people who are among the elect according to God's grace.

Paul ends Romans 11 by insisting that Israel’s present unbelief is neither total nor final. The “partial hardening” he describes is a temporary, divinely‑governed stage in redemptive history, not the cancellation of God’s covenant. This is why Paul can speak with such confidence that “all Israel will be saved”: he is not predicting the salvation of every individual Jew across time, but the future moment when God removes the hardness from the nation and brings about the very promise Jeremiah articulated — each man and his brother knowing the Lord. In Paul’s logic, the national restoration promised in the prophets remains a live, future hope, and the current hardening is the mechanism by which God is preparing the fullness of Gentile inclusion. Once that fullness arrives, God will act again toward Israel in mercy, fulfilling the covenantal promise on a corporate scale.

Granted, those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace,


so they are saved by "grace' and not the sacrifice Jesus Christ made by pouring out His blood on the ground?

Every time I hear "saved by Grace" it makes my blood boil.

"Grace" did not pour out her blood,

it is an abstract word without a physical reality and not an action word.

the PHYSICAL REALITY IS: the ACTION IS: Christ poured out His blood and the life is in the blood.

If the word "grace" can save a person, did the Father forget to inform Christ?
Christ did not get the memo? He died needlessly??

If this offends you -- so be it!

ONLY the blood of Christ can pay our penalty of death, grace has no blood to pour

 

[rogerg]

rogerg,

I have been looking for years and years and never found one scripture the called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob anything other then Hebrews.

Even in the captivity in Egypt the 12 tribes are called Hebrews never Jews

if you have found a scripture please post it

Wouldn't it be funny if the three are not Jews,, that would kind of screws up lots of folks -- that would mean Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

this is important so please post the scripture.

By the time the New Testament was written, “Jew” had become the broad religious and ethnic term for all Israelites, in contrast to Gentiles. Therefore, the fact that Abraham and Isaac are not called Jews in the Old Testament is irrelevant from a New Testament perspective. In Galatians 3:28, the term is used in the present tense as a general label for the descendants of Abraham and Jacob, so its use there is appropriate and clear. Since Galatians 3:29 defines Abraham’s seed as those who are in Christ, the specific ethnic label applied to Abraham and Jacob—whether in the Old Testament or the New Testament—does not affect the point or lineage.

[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[memberofthebride]

By the time the New Testament was written, “Jew” had become the broad religious and ethnic term for all Israelites, in contrast to Gentiles. Therefore, the fact that Abraham and Isaac are not called Jews in the Old Testament is irrelevant from a New Testament perspective. In Galatians 3:28, the term is used in the present tense as a general label for the descendants of Abraham and Jacob, so its use there is appropriate and clear. Since Galatians 3:29 defines Abraham’s seed as those who are in Christ, the specific ethnic label applied to Abraham and Jacob—whether in the Old Testament or the New Testament—does not affect the point or lineage.

[Gal 3:28-29 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

nice try but no cigar

Bottom line; God's Chosen People are not all Jews, there are 10 other tribes of Hebrews

 

[dkontner]

nice try but no cigar

Bottom line; God's Chosen People are not all Jews, there are 10 other tribes of Hebrews

Romans 2:28-29​

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[rogerg]

While I agree, he mentions the doctrine of election in that context, he tells us his purpose for writing chapter 9 in the first five verses. Romans 9:1-5

Paul signals the entire debate of Romans 9 in his opening lines by insisting that “the adoption as sons” belongs to his kinsmen according to the flesh. That phrase is not incidental; it is Paul deliberately naming the very category his opponents think invalidates his gospel. If God promised covenant blessings to Israel as a nation, then Israel’s unbelief seems to call God’s faithfulness into question. Paul meets that objection head‑on by emphasizing “flesh” at the outset, as if to say: Yes, I know exactly what God promised to ethnic Israel — and that is the very promise I am about to defend. His argument does not dodge the national, flesh‑and‑blood dimension of Israel’s calling; it starts by affirming it.

Remember, God divorced the earthly nation of Israel, so the possibility of it having a special relationship with Him ended. That divorce is the predicate for all of God's future dealings with the earthly nation of Israel and with spiritual Israel.

The purpose of Romans 9 is not found in its first five verses. The Chapter's verses are all integrated, each necessary to explain the
election doctrine. For example, in Rom 9:6-7, we are explicitly told the Israel God has in view is not the nation of Israel because not all Israel (the earthly) is Israel(the spiritual). A different Israel, spiritual Israel is the Israel of God- those symbolized by the seed of Isaac - otherwise, they would have to include all of Abraham's dependents, not just Isaac - and that distinction was made for a reason.

[Rom 9:6-7 KJV]
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

For example, look at vs 9:25- 26 of Rom 9. Certainly, God is not referring to the nation of Israel as His beloved. God only has
one beloved, and that alone has become the true church, not the nation of Israel.

[Rom 9:25-26 KJV] 25 As he saith also in Osee,
I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Granted, those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace, but the subject matter in Romans 9 is God's promise to Israel. Everything you said about the basis of the election is true, and I agree.

I am glad that you quoted Romans 11, where Paul makes the point very clear. The early verses of chapter 11 make the point about a remnant group of Jewish people who are among the elect according to God's grace.

Paul ends Romans 11 by insisting that Israel’s present unbelief is neither total nor final. The “partial hardening” he describes is a temporary, divinely‑governed stage in redemptive history, not the cancellation of God’s covenant. This is why Paul can speak with such confidence that “all Israel will be saved”: he is not predicting the salvation of every individual Jew across time, but the future moment when God removes the hardness from the nation and brings about the very promise Jeremiah articulated — each man and his brother knowing the Lord. In Paul’s logic, the national restoration promised in the prophets remains a live, future hope, and the current hardening is the mechanism by which God is preparing the fullness of Gentile inclusion. Once that fullness arrives, God will act again toward Israel in mercy, fulfilling the covenantal promise on a corporate scale.

God divorced the nation of Israel and went so far as to explicitly state that those of the nation of Israel are no longer His people.
Therefore, it would be impossible for the nation of Israel as a nation, nor its people as its people, to be in view in Rom 9.
Remember, there are TWO Israels in view in Scripture, not one, so we need to keep straight which one is being referred to at any point in time.

[Rom 9:25-26 KJV] 25 As he saith also in Osee,
I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

The "all Israel" of Rom 11 to be saved is spiritual Israel, not earthly Israel. Do you believe that all of earthly Israel will be saved? Look at the "from Jacob" in v26. It doesn't say "from Jacob AND Esau" for a reason yet both were decedents of Abraham - because by "Jacob" is meant that it is only the elect.

[Rom 11:26 KJV] 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[rogerg]

nice try but no cigar

Bottom line; God's Chosen People are not all Jews, there are 10 other tribes of Hebrews

Those whom God chose to salvation are as @dkontner stated above. I guess I don't understand your point.

 

[dkontner]

Matthew 3:9​

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[memberofthebride]

Romans 2:28-29​

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

dkontner

I do not know what the pray symbols means? up or down?

there are Jews from the Tribe of Ju-dah and there are Hebrews from the ten other tribes.
All 12 tribes came from Abraham as I am sure you are aware and Abraham is a Hebrew, not a Jew

the circumcision of the heart refers to "Circumcision without hands". at conversion, repentance, baptism and the laying on of hands when the holy Spirit is place in a person,

God the Father begins to cut away our human nature and replaces it with HIS Holy Divine nature.
In the Kingdom all will have the Father's divine nature. Sin will be impossible.

I wrote this as most post scripture without really understanding what the scripture is saying.

just to say "circumcision is of the heart" does not explain what is actually occurring.
I want to under stand in detail, not sound bites.

 

[dkontner]

dkontner

I do not know what the pray symbols means? up or down?

there are Jews from the Tribe of Ju-dah and there are Hebrews from the ten other tribes.
All 12 tribes came from Abraham as I am sure you are aware and Abraham is a Hebrew, not a Jew

the circumcision of the heart refers to "Circumcision without hands". at conversion, repentance, baptism and the laying on of hands when the holy Spirit is place in a person,

God the Father begins to cut away our human nature and replaces it with HIS Holy Divine nature.
In the Kingdom all will have the Father's divine nature. Sin will be impossible.

I wrote this as most post scripture without really understanding what the scripture is saying.

just to say "circumcision is of the heart" does not explain what is actually occurring.
I want to under stand in detail, not sound bites.

Your 'version' of Jew doesn't God's. God scattered the 'Jews', saved a remnant when He lead captivity captivity and gave gifts to men.

John 8​

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

The old is vanished away. It's God that makes a person a Jew, NOT man.

Yet, regardless of what God says.....

Revelation 3:9​

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

And no I'm not anti-anything, I have a ton of Solomons in my family tree. I pray for those who don't understand.

 

[Roger316]

I will agree during Abraham's time the Torah was not written in a book or even a scroll , Christ had to have taught it to him.
they most likely had some kind of written documents back then but they are long gone.


Granted, those of the Jewish remnant are saved by grace,


so they are saved by "grace' and not the sacrifice Jesus Christ made by pouring out His blood on the ground?

Every time I hear "saved by Grace" it makes my blood boil.

"Grace" did not pour out her blood,

it is an abstract word without a physical reality and not an action word.

the PHYSICAL REALITY IS: the ACTION IS: Christ poured out His blood and the life is in the blood.

If the word "grace" can save a person, did the Father forget to inform Christ?
Christ did not get the memo? He died needlessly??

If this offends you -- so be it!

ONLY the blood of Christ can pay our penalty of death, grace has no blood to pour

Let me ask you the same question then. Did Jesus forgive your sins or did he pay for them? It's either one or the other.

 

[Roger316]

Remember, God divorced the earthly nation of Israel, so the possibility of it having a special relationship with Him ended. That divorce is the predicate for all of God's future dealings with the earthly nation of Israel and with spiritual Israel.

Israel’s “divorce” in the prophets refers only to the Northern Kingdom—Ephraim—whom God judged and scattered through Assyria, but Judah was never divorced; she was disciplined, exiled, and restored. That distinction is the backbone of Paul’s claim in Romans 11 that Israel has not “stumbled so as to fall,” because the covenant line carried by Judah—the Davidic promise, the remnant, and the Messiah—was never dissolved. Paul is not denying Israel’s sin or hardening; he is insisting that God’s covenant with His people remains intact, because the root is holy, the remnant endures, and the promises to the patriarchs still govern the story.

The purpose of Romans 9 is not found in its first five verses.

I disagree. He speaks about the fact that the Adoption of Sons belongs to his kinsmen. (vs. 4) Then he says that the word of God has not failed. (vs. 5) Logically, the word of God that was in jeopardy was God's promise to grant the inheritance of eternal life to Paul's kinsmen as God promised.

The Chapter's verses are all integrated, each necessary to explain the
election doctrine. For example, in Rom 9:6-7, we are explicitly told the Israel God has in view is not the nation of Israel because not all Israel (the earthly) is Israel(the spiritual).

Paul’s point in Romans 9:6 is not that “Israel” has been redefined to include Gentiles, but that the Israel connected to the promises of 9:4 has always been a subset within Jacob’s physical descendants—a people God Himself selects. When Paul says, “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,” he is not creating a new “spiritual Israel” made up of Gentiles; he is explaining why the covenant promises have never applied to every ethnic Israelite indiscriminately. The promised line has always run through God’s chosen remnant within Israel, not through Gentiles. Gentiles are indeed included in salvation, but Paul consistently describes them as grafted-in Gentiles, not as members of Israel itself. So the Israel of Romans 9:6 is not “spiritual Israel” in a universal sense; it is the elect Israel—the sons of Jacob whom God chooses to carry forward the covenant promises.

For example, look at vs 9:25- 26 of Rom 9. Certainly, God is not referring to the nation of Israel as His beloved. God only has
one beloved, and that alone has become the true church, not the nation of Israel.

[Rom 9:25-26 KJV] 25 As he saith also in Osee,
I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

When Paul quotes Hosea in Romans 9:26, he is not redefining “Israel” to include Gentiles; he is drawing on a prophecy originally spoken over natural Israel—specifically the Northern Kingdom whom God had called “not my people” and later promised to restore. Likewise, his quotation of Isaiah in Romans 9:27 refers to the remnant of Israel within Judah. Paul’s point is that Israel’s present unbelief fits the prophetic pattern: God judges, preserves a remnant, and then restores. Gentiles are indeed included in salvation, but Paul consistently describes them as called-from-the-nations or grafted-in, never as “Israel.” In Romans 9:26–27, the word Israel retains its Old Testament meaning—Jacob’s physical descendants—because Paul is showing that God’s dealings with ethnic Israel are unfolding exactly as the prophets said.

The "all Israel" of Rom 11 to be saved is spiritual Israel, not earthly Israel. Do you believe that all of earthly Israel will be saved? Look at the "from Jacob" in v26. It doesn't say "from Jacob AND Esau" for a reason yet both were decedents of Abraham - because by "Jacob" is meant that it is only the elect.

[Rom 11:26 KJV] 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Paul’s “all Israel” in Romans 11 can rightly be called spiritual Israel, but only in the sense the prophets use the term: the purified, Spirit‑renewed, covenant‑faithful Israel that God Himself creates at the end of the age. It is not a mixed body of Jews and Gentiles; it is the restored nation of Israel whose hardness God removes when He fulfills His promises to the patriarchs. Gentiles are indeed saved and grafted into the people of God, but Paul never calls them “Israel.” In Romans 11, “spiritual Israel” is simply Israel made spiritual—the natural branches restored, the remnant expanded, the nation transformed by the Spirit in fulfillment of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Hosea. Paul’s point is not that Gentiles become Israel, but that Israel will finally become what she was always meant to be.