Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe

[HeIsHere]

Uh, all are unbelievers before they become believers,
but I can believe preaching the Gospel to tulipists is futile,
if the closed-mindedness of those on CC is typical.

It is.

 

[PennEd]

The Spirit convicts through the preaching of God's word. Some reject the Spirit (which I would say that blashpeme) and others obey the Spirit and are saved.

Maybe you didn’t see my question earlier.

Why do some hear the Word. Believe, and receive it, and others hear and reject it?

 

[GWH]

And HOW does God enable them?

Also, can you please knockoff with the abbreviations unless they are very widely known. Very annoying.

MFW is widely known as the opposite of TULIP on CC.

 

[brightfame52]

Actually, the moment you were regrnerated and saved you didn't know God spiritually yourself. You didn't know this until you were taught, instructed, read and learned. So at the beginning you are as equal in knowledge about God as those in Romans chapter 1.

I dont believe you know what you talking about.

 

[brightfame52]

You contradict what Paul says about creation showing people the basics about God. It is not creation that causes men to worship idols, it is demons and false teachings of men

You dont know what you talking about either. Man is born dead to God, creation doesnt help that condition bud

 

[Magenta]

The free will camp assumes, with no supporting text and contrary to many verses that evidence the opposite, that the man of flesh is free to choose, and will believe, that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, and to which he is inherently opposed with his uncircumcised heart of stone. There is simply no getting around the fact that this is the core of their belief, and it flies in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about the natural man who is a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light, blinded to truth and under the power and influence of Satan: he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death, not life. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, his incurably wicked heart cannot be changed. He hates God, rejects the light, and hears the gospel message as foolishness. Praise the Lord if He has set you free!

 

[brightfame52]

Creation cannot be divorced from the Creator.

Of course not, He created all things. But that doesnt help mans fallen and ruined condition, man is dead to God, thats what Paul is showing duh

 

[brightfame52]

What must I do to be saved? You must believe that God elected you to salvation from the foundation of the world and that there is nothing you must do to be saved, in fact, you're already saved. Congratulations! But, to answer your question, simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved even though you are already saved.

You dont know what the Gospel is, I can see that already, and you wouldnt know how to answer someone if they asked you the question the Jailor asked Paul in Acts 16

 

[brightfame52]

True or False: Is the preaching of the cross the power of God unto salvation?

Yeah but you dont know the Gospel, you clueless

 

[GWH]

I dont believe you know what you talking about.

He is talking about learning GW, which you don't believe.
We encourage you to learn the Gospel and become a Christian.
The normative way of stating the Gospel in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord”
(as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6) or “Love Jesus as Messiah and Lord” (John 8:42).
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[Magenta]

from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

 

[Magenta]

Yeah but you dont know the Gospel, you clueless

That verse is repeatedly butchered by the recalcitrant free willer.

 

[Magenta]

2 Corinthians 4 v 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[rogerg]

My bad, I took my Calvin goggles off and read the plain scripture.

Right, but with the Holy Spirit, you would have compared the spiritual in Scripture with spirtual and understood
that, without me having to explain it to you.

 

[brightfame52]

Per Calvinism-

God requires saving faith from everyone,

No God doesnt require saving faith from everyone. God gives it to everyone He saves, the elect. God doesnt require saving Faith for the vessels of wrath He created and fitted for destruction. He leaves them in and confirms them in their natural disobdence.

 

[Magenta]

John 3 verses 19-20 and from Psalm 10 verse 4 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. The wicked reviles the Lord

 

[brightfame52]

Stated nowhere in scripture...

Question: How can you tell the people you witness to, who are believers or unbelievers?

It is foolishness to the lost/them that perish 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

And generally them that perish are unbelievers. So that poster seems to have more wisdom than you in the scriptures.

 

[brightfame52]

1 Corinthians 1:18?

Its also shown here 2 Cor 2:15-16

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

 

[brightfame52]

Why do you say it is a false doctrine? The reason I ask is because it seems obvious to me that regernation must preceed regeneration. Why do I say this?

Imagine a group of people who refuse to believe that 2 + 2 = 4. No matter how patiently the equation is explained, no matter how many times someone places two blocks beside two more blocks, they simply will not accept the conclusion. The problem isn’t the evidence. The problem is that something in them is committed to rejecting what is plainly true.

In the same way, the New Testament describes people refusing to acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, the King of Israel. His miracles were performed publicly, repeatedly, and undeniably. Yet many continued to suppress what they saw and chose to live as though it were not true. Their unbelief was not a failure of evidence but a refusal of the heart.

A quick survey of the New Testament shows that Jesus Himself explains this stubborn unbelief. People reject the truth not because it is unclear but because their hearts are resistant to it. Scripture describes the remedy in various ways: circumcision of the heart, a new heart, the removal of the heart of stone, being born again. All these images point to the same reality: a person must first be inwardly renewed by God before they can truly see, accept, and believe the truth that stands in front of them.

This is why regeneration must precede belief. Without a renewed heart, the mind will continue to treat even the clearest truth the way the stubborn mathematician treats 2 + 2 = 4—rejecting what is obvious because something deeper is unwilling to receive it.

You say some wise things here, but in other things you way off.

 

[brightfame52]

Is this correct or did you mean to say that regeneration precede belief?

Is there a scripture where God regenerates a person which includes sanctification btw (according to the meaning of the word) prior to belief?
Also please show where scripture clearly speaks of a new heart first so that a person believes?

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
1 Pet 1:2

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience/faith and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.