The Holy Spirit/God's Word

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
When Jesus calls the Holy Spirit the "Comforter" (Paraclete), He is not adding an 8th trait. Instead, He is explaining how the existing 7 attributes from Isaiah 11:2 look when they walk out in man form.
Every name and role Jesus used for the Spirit perfectly maps back to the original 7-fold description:
 
Isaiah provided the internal blueprint of the Spirit's character (what the Spirit is), while Jesus provided the external application of the Spirit's ministry (what the Spirit does for you).
 
Isaiah provided the internal blueprint of the Spirit's character (what the Spirit is), while Jesus provided the external application of the Spirit's ministry (what the Spirit does for you).
Know can't live without The Holy Spirit promise Gift. Why ?here is why
The Holy Spirit is able to guide you into truth because He is the Very source of Divine Wisdom and Discernment.
 
I assume some try speak through The Holy Spirit with the seven all seeing knowing eye spirit that is producing Fruits such aaslove patients kindness etc But faith is not a fruit of the Spirit,,! what is it then?
 
Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). Any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and water baptism may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism) and he probably left the water baptizing to his assistants.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Gal. 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John 13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). He did NOT say “…if you are water baptized.”


The relationship between Believers/Christians and God may be viewed as having three stages: conversion, spiritual growth or maturation (Eph. 4:13), and glorification (1Pet. 5:10) or immortality (1Cor. 15:53) in heaven. The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). Because a convert's commitment to Christ is in accordance with God's perfect will (1Tim. 2:3-4), the moment of Spirit baptism fulfills the command to be filled with the Spirit (in Eph. 5:18), which means to cooperate fully with the love of God (Eph. 3:16-19).

The moment or stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received the baptism of the HS. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13), which is present progressive: it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity.

A new convert does not achieve immediate perfection by remaining filled with the HS (Phil. 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance of GW and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing post-conversion sins, at which time they are carnal or acting like unbelievers (1Cor. 3:1).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gideon300
I see I'm attached post are we as one ? That is the plan .not sure you agree or asking something ? Knew him not is the world from jn The word became Flesh...
 
I assume some try speak through The Holy Spirit with the seven all seeing knowing eye spirit that is producing Fruits such aaslove patients kindness etc But faith is not a fruit of the Spirit,,! what is it then?
The faith in Christ that God counts as righteousness when sinners are justified produces godly/loving works/fruit.
IOW, faith first, married to love, yields hope of heaven--and these remain until Judgment Day (1Cor. 13:13).
 
Is this the word of God ?

16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Jesus after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Jesus No More.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
This is what the Holy Spirit Creates New In a Glorified knowledge with understanding on The Things of The kingdom of God .
Key Meaning: in Verse 16 changes how we look at people. We stop evaluating others by worldly standards, race, status, or outward appearances.
Even Jesus is no longer viewed just as a historical man,
But Now as the Resurrected Lord&Anointed
Transform Verse 17 uses the term "new creature" (or "new creation"). This means man united with Christ anointing receives a completely fresh spiritual start. The old guilt and old life are gone.
The new creation is like Jesus fullfilled The word of God Meaning they are washed clean The Holy Spirit moves in The Holy Spirit also Write The Word of God In the new creation Heart knowing all Things New This is Gift Faith to know And have .No more focus on Flesh the things of Man.The new creation only Look To Son of man Jesus Lord & Christ.
Knowing always His Grace mercy sacrifice all He did For those that Now only Know Him As Lord & God
 
The faith in Christ that God counts as righteousness when sinners are justified produces godly/loving works/fruit.
IOW, faith first, married to love, yields hope of heaven--and these remain until Judgment Day (1Cor. 13:13).
The Fathers gift Used To Gift The Father
 
The Fathers gift Used To Gift The Father
Faith is not a fruit.
Fairh is A Gift also faith has different level .
Faith of a Child is first gifted Faith .
Faith of The Holy Spirit within is Most Heavenly The Gloried Gift ,Way beyond the mind of a man child This faith only comes from The 7 fold Spirit the brings 9 straits & 9 Fruits
 
This is what the Holy Spirit Creates New In a Glorified knowledge with understanding on The Things of The kingdom of God .
Key Meaning: in Verse 16 changes how we look at people. We stop evaluating others by worldly standards, race, status, or outward appearances.
Even Jesus is no longer viewed just as a historical man,
But Now as the Resurrected Lord&Anointed
Transform Verse 17 uses the term "new creature" (or "new creation"). This means man united with Christ anointing receives a completely fresh spiritual start. The old guilt and old life are gone.
The new creation is like Jesus fullfilled The word of God Meaning they are washed clean The Holy Spirit moves in The Holy Spirit also Write The Word of God In the new creation Heart knowing all Things New This is Gift Faith to know And have .No more focus on Flesh the things of Man.The new creation only Look To Son of man Jesus Lord & Christ.
Knowing always His Grace mercy sacrifice all He did For those that Now only Know Him As Lord & God

Yes, and I would cite what happened to me yesterday. I was rereading an old copy of Eerdmans' Handbook to the History of Christianity, and I realized it did not have the same appeal as when I read it in about 1980, because although it had an interesting article here and there, I came to realize while writing my own History of Beliefs that the important thread to follow is that which is related to the NT--and rarely was the NT mentioned.

It is as though Dark Ages existed from the time of Christ and Paul until the NT was published after Gutenberg's printing press,
and even then historians rarely consider how the various people and denominations compared with NT teachings, which ought to be the main concern for Christian historians.
 
Yes, and I would cite what happened to me yesterday. I was rereading an old copy of Eerdmans' Handbook to the History of Christianity, and I realized it did not have the same appeal as when I read it in about 1980, because although it had an interesting article here and there, I came to realize while writing my own History of Beliefs that the important thread to follow is that which is related to the NT--and rarely was the NT mentioned.

It is as though Dark Ages existed from the time of Christ and Paul until the NT was published after Gutenberg's printing press,
and even then historians rarely consider how the various people and denominations compared with NT teachings, which ought to be the main concern for Christian historians.
don't know if in this thread? if posted the scripture. .Had to Do with Know no flesh But Know them By the Spirit of God its a Paul verse and even said Christ flesh also
* but really it should just have said Jesus flesh"* vers said same know Him by The Spirit of God this came to light as Seeing Jesus as son of man Christ, And the way to know Him Now is As Son of man Jesus Lord God
fig just add incase cus he has me list in diff venues create a whole , To The view
 
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Jesus after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Jesus No More.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
 
The main purpose of this thread is to discuss Scriptures explaining how humanity can experience and fellowship with the Holy Spirit of God/Christ,
which correlates with learning God’s Holy Word. Achieving this goal requires systematic study of New Testament doctrines including spiritual dynamics, prayer and sanctification.
That's a good question. Jesus said how and why in John chapter 14, 15