Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe

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HeIsHere said:
Again your interpretation pays no attention to the grammar of the passage, nor to whom the letter is addressed.

No person who handles scripture honestly, with depth of understanding, with knowledge of a Loving and Just God would ever believe that God is telling a story of how He created some special people to be saved and others selected for condemnation, based on no knowable reason but many excuses.

Regeneration (or whatever other label) before belief has been shown to be unequivocally a false doctrine
nowhere explicitly stated in scripture.

People just think if they can pile on the words like sin, evil, bad, dead, blind. fruit pulled out of context and they can create some kind of truth

Now, look at Ephesians 1 to 12 the pronoun is FIRST person plural.. so then who does that refer to Paul and the Israel.
All of the truths stated in these verses are historically significant and specific to that nation.
Note again Gentiles are nowhere included in these verses.

Then note that in Verse 13 Paul changes to SECOND person plural.

Here he is shifting to the inclusion of the Gentiles in the Gospel of the Christ Jesus

The relationship between Jews and Gentiles in the Gospel is the major theme of the Book.

Yes God elected Israel in verses 1 to 13 to serve and be a holy nation.

It was NOT a selection of individuals to eternal salvation or eternal damnation.

TULIP is done.
Context kills TULIP.

If you were wanting truth you would start from scratch and revisit all that you have been indoctrinated with ... but will you?
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The poster gave you some good wisdom and you ignore it
 
brightfame52 said:
The poster gave you some good wisdom and you ignore it
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I honed in a very specific grammatical evidence which was ignored.
But then that is not unusual, just like Ephesians 2:8 where grammatically it is not possible for faith to be the gift.
 
HeIsHere said:
I honed in a very specific grammatical evidence which was ignored.
But then that is not unusual, just like Ephesians 2:8 where grammatically it is not possible for faith to be the gift.
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Faith is part of the Gift, so yes it is a gift, its not of ourselves
 
HeIsHere said:
Again your interpretation pays no attention to the grammar of the passage, nor to whom the letter is addressed.

No person who handles scripture honestly, with depth of understanding, with knowledge of a Loving and Just God would ever believe that God is telling a story of how He created some special people to be saved and others selected for condemnation, based on no knowable reason but many excuses.
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And you base that on what?
HeIsHere said:
It was NOT a selection of individuals to eternal salvation or eternal damnation.
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The main theme of the book is that salvation is a spiritual blessing that God grants to all those whom He chooses. (Reference: adoption as sons, sealed for the inheritance.)
 
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Roger316 said:
The main theme of the book is that salvation is a spiritual blessing that God grants to all those whom He chooses. (Reference: adoption as sons, sealed for the inheritance.)
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Just out of curiosity, why did you use "chooses" instead of "chose" above?
 
Roger316 said:
And you base that on what?

The main theme of the book is that salvation is a spiritual blessing that God grants to all those whom He chooses. (Reference: adoption as sons, sealed for the inheritance.)
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Those who respond in faith to the Good News are then the ones God chooses to give His blessings.

That is orthodox Evangelical Christianity, you want to go outside of proper hermeneutics that is your choice.
 
brightfame52 said:
No thats you
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Pull verses here and there, mine for verses, cherry pick verses, of course this is a well know attribute/strategy of those who espouse TULIP ... then the next step is demonstrate how they support an already devised system.

Nope, I have no system, it is quite easy to read that Christ Jesus called His people to believe in Him and nowhere is it stated they would be regenerated before they could.
 
HeIsHere said:
Pull verses here and there, mine for verses, cherry pick verses, of course this is a well know attribute/strategy of those who espouse TULIP ... then the next step is demonstrate how they support an already devised system.

Nope, I have no system, it is quite easy to read that Christ Jesus called His people to believe in Him and nowhere is it stated they would be regenerated before they could.
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Thats your excuse for rejecting the truth
 
HeIsHere said:
I honed in a very specific grammatical evidence which was ignored.
But then that is not unusual, just like Ephesians 2:8 where grammatically it is not possible for faith to be the gift.
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Well, faith = MFW is given to all, but some choose not to believe GW, as tulipists illustrate in their posts,
whereas those who choose to have saving faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord are graced/indwelt by the HS and reflect divine love
(Eph. 2:8-10, Rom. 5:5, Gal. 5:6&22-23).
 
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