Reconciled to God while enemies !
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Thats above my paygrade to worry about. I m concerned about how God sees what I post 2 Cor 2 17
17 ;For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
I'm not part of this argument, but just letting you know that God knows what's said before it's said, and everything that isn't said.
More on Reconciliation explained ! cont
Now this legal and objective Reconciliation does presuppose an alienation of God to man because of their sins as here Isa 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Yet this alienation hath been removed God ward by the Propitiation sacrifice of Christ 1 Jn 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Or to say by His Blood, consequently enabling God to receive them into His Favor, this Favor of Reconciliation is a Reality to God, accomplished solely by the Blood of Christ, even while the subjects themselves are not yet reconciled to Him, but they are being in a state of enmity and enemies by nature. The word reconciled is the greek word katallassō
and means:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)
b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one
c) to receive one into favour
God can Look at unreconciled sinners and receive them into His Favor as He does because of what the Death of Christ did against all their iniquities legally before His Law and Justice ! It took them all away ! But however, those have a Promise unto them, They all shall be saved by His [Christ's Life] See Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now why is that ? Because they still need to be saved from being in themselves enemies to God, for God is reconciled to them, before they are reconciled to God, because their nature hates God and is at enmity with Him, so They shall be saved from that disposition !
Now this legal and objective Reconciliation does presuppose an alienation of God to man because of their sins as here Isa 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Yet this alienation hath been removed God ward by the Propitiation sacrifice of Christ 1 Jn 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Or to say by His Blood, consequently enabling God to receive them into His Favor, this Favor of Reconciliation is a Reality to God, accomplished solely by the Blood of Christ, even while the subjects themselves are not yet reconciled to Him, but they are being in a state of enmity and enemies by nature. The word reconciled is the greek word katallassō
and means:
to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
a) to reconcile (those who are at variance)
b) return to favour with, be reconciled to one
c) to receive one into favour
God can Look at unreconciled sinners and receive them into His Favor as He does because of what the Death of Christ did against all their iniquities legally before His Law and Justice ! It took them all away ! But however, those have a Promise unto them, They all shall be saved by His [Christ's Life] See Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now why is that ? Because they still need to be saved from being in themselves enemies to God, for God is reconciled to them, before they are reconciled to God, because their nature hates God and is at enmity with Him, so They shall be saved from that disposition !
You wanna lock in that answer good sir? The Bible teaches the whole WORLD is reconciled to God, yet not all will be saved because atonement by itself does not save in the Bible, didnt do so in the OT and doesnt do so in the new covenant it must be received. That is why Paul is beseeching people:
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
No just the chosen and called 1 Cor 1
Thats speaking against the Saviour sir
More error
Paul is beseeching the chosen ones already reconciled , turning them to faith "be ye reconciled to God" is a imperative in the passive voice Do you understand the passive voice in the greek ?
God is actually commanding and causing them to believe what is true
Yes, and "For IF, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God" (Rom. 5:10) implies MFW and choosing to satisfy God's condition for forgiveness (aka GRFS).
IOW, Paul could have continued by saying, "if, when we were enemies, we chose NOT to be reconciled to God by the death of his Son, then being unreconciled, we would not be saved by his life."
I have heard this I just find it extremely unsatisfying. God is angry at His own decree. Jerusalem Jerusalem you who kill the prophets. I was willing you were not.
I've heard of that explanation as well. But then the problem is God isnt being truthful. He is playing games and offering false reconciliation with the world. Pretends to repent of His judgments which He caused. etc. Its all a game
Which Christ gives Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Great. But in the book of Acts, the jews by and large REJECTED that repentance and Paul was then sent unto the gentiles