Agree 100 % ........ unfortunately it has been explained so many times ..they prefer to think they were specially created for salvation and
have made a decision to persist in this error against all solid biblical exegesis presented.
Election by God Is According to His will, not man’s Will to believe
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Agree 100 % ........ unfortunately it has been explained so many times ..they prefer to think they were specially created for salvation and
have made a decision to persist in this error against all solid biblical exegesis presented.
False 2 Thess 2:13
13 ;But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Note: To be holy and without blame are Salvation blessings attained by Jesus Christ work
You bolded the part on how the gentiles were chosen to salvation, thru sanctification and belief of the truth........
The verse does not say that God chose us TO BE IN HIM. Calvinist make the passage about them and not about the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ. The entire chapter is what believers have been given in Christ. All these things are found in Christ.
Yes, and imagine experiencing in hell what tulipist heretics believe about God.
Negative, they were chosen before,, from the beginning to salvation, resulting in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth
In this context the Spirits salvation is in view, His saving work, like it is in Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
without the Spirit saving us, we would never believe the Truth
They were ordinary people like you and i and the conditions with mankind is the same when Christ returns to destroy the world . Now were they non elect, yes, but everyone that was Noahs weren't elect What about Noahs son ham, or his grandson caanan ? Noahs relatives after the flood turned out like the ones destroyed in the flood Gen 8:21
21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
He chose the elect in Christ, They were His Seed, they had a seed existence in Him before the world began. They were given grace and purpose in Christ before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Yeah but things were done for them before they became believers in time, which is why they became believers in time
Those things were done for the body of Christ. Christ’s body was chosen to be the means. Not one was chosen to be in Christ from the foundation of the world. If that were true, Ephesians 2 would be a lie. Believes would never had been children of wrath.
Yeah, before they became believers in time. Each member of the Body of Christ, Chosen in Christ before the foundation, each one of the members, will sometime in their lifetime, from physical to their death, shall be made a believer.
Scripture, given by the inspiration of God, states they were enemies, children of wrath. Not so if they were in Christ before the foundation of the world.
Yes I know that. Perhaps I should explain that I was replying to trs68, who had written: "So NO, no one of Noah's blood family and lineage of Seth died in the flood."
I fully agree that salvation, and the grace that grants it, is not dependent upon blood-line, otherwise it would not be grace.
Yes they were enemies of God b4 conversion, and they were chosen in Christ before the foundation, I believe both
I know Dave, I have no gripe with you
Yeah I saw that, a very unlearned comment, like nobody in seth bloodline wasn't God hating sinners. Now God did preserve the elect line of grace via Noah, so that it would continue to develop until Jesus would be born from the tribe of Judah, but everyone in that line was sinners, their preservation was to the praise of Gods grace.