Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

[Rob7]

Some of us believe that we are not under the 10 commandments because the word of God expressly says so

Some of you are believing "the Word" as promoted by Satan, thru his agent, the Antichrist, would have you believe. As illustrated by your completely ignoring the logical scriptural PROOF presented my last two post, where I scripturally reasoned out for you, the Bible expressly saying, that we since The Fall, illustrated by the precedence set by Cain and Able, then ALL the New & Old Testament, that the whole purpose of God's Will, The Everlasting Gospel for us, is to bring us back into an OBEDIENT covenant, with Him, for us to AGAIN be His sinless created children, through obedience, to having the Righteousness of Christ, ="His Obedience" to the Will of The Father ... once again be pronounced worthy and fit for Heaven, the "Saints" of Revelation 14:12

Rather than not having a heart conversion, ... Born Again into His Righteousness of obedience to where Jesus will say when He soon returns ... eg. @Gideon300 , @Inquisitor , @WiselyWoven , @Just_A__Follower , @pinebeach ................... ETC

"Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

Likewise in, Luke 13:25-27, where Jesus says, "I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers," ( Lawless) and in Matthew 25:12 regarding the foolish virgins, where the reply is, "Truly I tell you, I do not know you."

As I've repeated commented, ... you particular folks are believing Satan and his antichrist's exegesis of God's Word, which ONLY leads to perdition, the supporting of lawlessness = iniquity to God and the second death. = none existence for eternity

"Depart from me, ye that work iniquity," Jesus is saying: "Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness." It is a solemn warning aimed directly at professed Christians who claim salvation and perform great works in Jesus' name, but who refuse to yield their lives to the obedience of God's Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4; Matthew 7:21).

2 Thessalonians 2: ( Clearly explains your situation )
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ~> the Pope = antichrist

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You having "pleasure in" and rationalizing your sin, your inequity and disobedience to God, yet thinking you are believing and following Jesus, being a Christian... NOT!
... So! on that final note, I'll leave you in the capable hands of Jesus' Holy Spirit ... (where i should have left a looooong time ago.)

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[Gideon300]

Some of you are believing "the Word" as promoted by Satan, thru his agent, the Antichrist, would have you believe. As illustrated by your completely ignoring the logical scriptural PROOF presented my last two post, where I scripturally reasoned out for you, the Bible expressly saying, that we since The Fall, illustrated by the precedence set by Cain and Able, then ALL the New & Old Testament, that the whole purpose of God's Will, The Everlasting Gospel for us, is to bring us back into an OBEDIENT covenant, with Him, for us to AGAIN be His sinless created children, through obedience, to having the Righteousness of Christ, ="His Obedience" to the Will of The Father ... once again be pronounced worthy and fit for Heaven, the "Saints" of Revelation 14:12

Rather than not having a heart conversion, ... Born Again into His Righteousness of obedience to where Jesus will say when He soon returns ... eg. @Gideon300 , @Inquisitor , @WiselyWoven , @Just_A__Follower , @pinebeach ................... ETC

"Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

Likewise in, Luke 13:25-27, where Jesus says, "I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers," ( Lawless) and in Matthew 25:12 regarding the foolish virgins, where the reply is, "Truly I tell you, I do not know you."

As I've repeated commented, ... you particular folks are believing Satan and his antichrist's exegesis of God's Word, which ONLY leads to perdition, the supporting of lawlessness = iniquity to God and the second death. = none existence for eternity

"Depart from me, ye that work iniquity," Jesus is saying: "Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness." It is a solemn warning aimed directly at professed Christians who claim salvation and perform great works in Jesus' name, but who refuse to yield their lives to the obedience of God's Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4; Matthew 7:21).

2 Thessalonians 2: ( Clearly explains your situation )
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ~> the Pope = antichrist

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You having "pleasure in" and rationalizing your sin, your inequity and disobedience to God, yet thinking you are believing and following Jesus, being a Christian... NOT!
... So! on that final note, I'll leave you in the capable hands of Jesus' Holy Spirit ... (where i should have left a looooong time ago.)

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I've told you my objections to your heretical interpretation of scripture. Feel free to quit badgering everyone with false doctrine. God holds you accountable for your condemnation. You have the same Bible as everyone else but you reject the plain teaching of the purpose and place of the Law. Peter and Paul had nothing good to say about those who insist on burdening gentiles with the law that was given to Israel.

You say much about delusion and deception. Go look in a mirror. What you've said applies to yourself, not to those who have the right understanding of scripture.

Good luck boasting about your righteousness before God. I've accepted that mine is filthy rags. Christ is my righteousness and my only boast. Those rejected who said, "Lord, Lord....." boasted in their own works. You sound an awful lot like them.

 

[WiselyWoven]

So you reject the false doctrine of investigative judgement? That's something anyway. All you need now is to quit trying to impose the Sabbath law for Israel on Gentiles like me.

Indeed.

You refuse to accept God's word, insisting on putting grace under the law.

Indeed.

The word of God calls the 10 commandments "the ministration of death" and "the ministration of condemnation" and "the letter [that] killeth" and "that which is done away":

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. (2 Cor. 3:5-11)

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Some of you are believing "the Word" as promoted by Satan, thru his agent, the Antichrist, would have you believe. As illustrated by your completely ignoring the logical scriptural PROOF presented my last two post, where I scripturally reasoned out for you, the Bible expressly saying, that we since The Fall, illustrated by the precedence set by Cain and Able, then ALL the New & Old Testament, that the whole purpose of God's Will, The Everlasting Gospel for us, is to bring us back into an OBEDIENT covenant, with Him, for us to AGAIN be His sinless created children, through obedience, to having the Righteousness of Christ, ="His Obedience" to the Will of The Father ... once again be pronounced worthy and fit for Heaven, the "Saints" of Revelation 14:12

Rather than not having a heart conversion, ... Born Again into His Righteousness of obedience to where Jesus will say when He soon returns ... eg. @Gideon300 , @Inquisitor , @WiselyWoven , @Just_A__Follower , @pinebeach ................... ETC

"Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

Likewise in, Luke 13:25-27, where Jesus says, "I do not know where you are from. Depart from me, all you evildoers," ( Lawless) and in Matthew 25:12 regarding the foolish virgins, where the reply is, "Truly I tell you, I do not know you."

As I've repeated commented, ... you particular folks are believing Satan and his antichrist's exegesis of God's Word, which ONLY leads to perdition, the supporting of lawlessness = iniquity to God and the second death. = none existence for eternity

"Depart from me, ye that work iniquity," Jesus is saying: "Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness." It is a solemn warning aimed directly at professed Christians who claim salvation and perform great works in Jesus' name, but who refuse to yield their lives to the obedience of God's Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4; Matthew 7:21).

2 Thessalonians 2: ( Clearly explains your situation )
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ~> the Pope = antichrist

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You having "pleasure in" and rationalizing your sin, your inequity and disobedience to God, yet thinking you are believing and following Jesus, being a Christian... NOT!
... So! on that final note, I'll leave you in the capable hands of Jesus' Holy Spirit ... (where i should have left a looooong time ago.)

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Have you always acted ignorant or did your ignorance grow through your cult following?

 

[pinebeach]

Have you always acted ignorant or did your ignorance grow through your cult following?

 

[WiselyWoven]

Have you always acted ignorant or did your ignorance grow through your cult following?

Well, it does say that if you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas. ("Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" - 1 Cor. 15:33).

Maintaining a relationship with such people, who were perverting the true message, would eventually influence them negatively and they would end up being led astray.

 

[WiselyWoven]

The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Ellen G. White's Grave Site Marked with Masonic Obelisk:

 

[Rob7]

Ellen White, Great Controversy p 588.1



Satan, Rome, & "Apostate Protestants of the United States" = Dragon, Beast, & False Prophet = Revelation 16:13-16

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Just as the Covid 19 "Plan"-demic was used as a testing ground to initiate and subvert our freedom of conscious. Government mandating "The Jab" , superseding our Constitutional, God Given, Freedom of Conscious. So shall the these Last Day Events, be ...

This unholy union of State and Religion, which Trump and Apostate Protestantism are NOW promoting, will soon lead to the mandating of the Mark of the Beast, .... Rome's "Mark of Authority," ... as she says ... The changing of God's Sabbath, to man's sabbath, Sunday.

Armageddon and the Final Events of Bible Prophecy

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[Gideon300]

Ellen White, Great Controversy p 588.1

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Satan, Rome, & "Apostate Protestants of the United States" = Dragon, Beast, & False Prophet = Revelation 16:13-16



Just as the Covid 19 "Plan"-demic was used as a testing ground to initiate and subvert our freedom of conscious. Government mandating "The Jab" , superseding our Constitutional, God Given, Freedom of Conscious. So shall the these Last Day Events, be ...

This unholy union of State and Religion, which Trump and Apostate Protestantism are NOW promoting, will soon lead to the mandating of the Mark of the Beast, .... Rome's "Mark of Authority," ... as she says ... The changing of God's Sabbath, to man's sabbath, Sunday.

Armageddon and the Final Events of Bible Prophecy

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Ellen G White, false prophet. Ignore anything that she said.

 

[Rob7]

Ellen G White, false prophet. Ignore anything that she said.

Interesting ....
Since you keep claiming that EGW is a "False" prophet, ... Let's see what the Bible says about TRUE PROPHETS;

Biblical foundational tests for a true prophet:

1. Consistency with Scripture​

Isaiah 8:20

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (KJV)

• Significance: This is the primary test. Any message that contradicts the established Word of God is rejected, regardless of the miracles performed.

2. Fulfillment of Predictions​

Deuteronomy 18:21–22

"And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." (KJV)

• Significance: A true prophet's specific predictions must come to pass. Failure to fulfill a prophecy identifies the speaker as false.

3. Promotion of True Worship (No Idolatry)​

Deuteronomy 13:1–3

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul." (KJV)

• Significance: Even if a prophet performs genuine miracles, if they lead people away from the worship of the one true God or His commandments, they are false.

4. Christ-Centered Message​

Revelation 19:10

"And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (KJV)

• Significance: The essence of prophecy is to bear witness to Jesus. A true prophet directs worship to God and exalts Christ, not themselves.

John 5:39

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (KJV)

• Significance: True prophecy aligns with the central theme of Scripture, which is the testimony of Jesus.

5. Spiritual Fruit​

Matthew 7:15–16

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" (KJV)

• Significance: The character and the results of the prophet's ministry (the "fruits") reveal their true nature.

6. Subordination to the Bible (The Standard)​

2 Peter 1:19

"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:" (KJV)

• Significance: While acknowledging the prophetic gift, this verse emphasizes that the written Word of God is the "more sure" standard and the ultimate light by which all else is measured.

2 Timothy 3:16–17

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (KJV)

• Significance: Scripture is sufficient for doctrine and faith, meaning a true prophet supports and clarifies Scripture rather than replacing it.

7. Obedience to God's Commandments​

1 John 2:3–4

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (KJV)

"Golly G" .... As Gommer Pile, useta say ...
Looks like you and your supportive friends here in these CC forums are the "False Prophets" in relation to E G White, who is giving the same Message of Repentance & Obedience to the Creator God, that Noah, Elijah, John the Baptist, Et Al preached all thru these past 6000 years.
SO !! Who am I gonna believe and take advice from ? ... You folks, promoting and vomiting Anti-Christ ( Satan's) doctrines of sin and rebellion to God, OR God's Holy Spirit led prophets, promoting Repentance, Reformation & Restoration to the Righteousness of Christ.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" ... Joshua 24:15.

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[WiselyWoven]

Interesting ....
Since you keep claiming that EGW is a "False" prophet, ... Let's see what the Bible says about TRUE PROPHETS;

Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil. Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few. (Ecc. 5)

Ellen White, Great Controversy p 588.1

Two additions (of many) that Mrs. White makes to the Scriptures:

SATAN WAS OFFERED A PARDON IN HEAVEN
"God in His great mercy bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon on condition of repentance and submission."
Ellen White, Great Controversy p 422

CHRIST RESTRAINED THE DEMONS
Commenting on the account of the healing of the demoniacs at Gadara, and the demon possessed herd of swine which was swept into the sea, Mrs. White states: "Had not Christ restrained the demons, they would have plunged into the sea, not only the swine, but also their keepers and owners."
Ellen White, Great Controversy p 438

 

[Rob7]

Two additions (of many) that Mrs. White makes to the Scriptures:

Your accusation that Ellen G. White "added to Scripture" and thus qualifying her as a false prophet is addressed through several key arguments rooted in her own writings, Adventist theology, and the biblical definition of prophecy.
Here is the defense presented by Adventist scholars:

1. The "Lesser Light" vs. "Greater Light" Distinction​

The primary defense is that Ellen White never claimed her writings were equal to Scripture. Adventists consistently use the metaphor of the "lesser light" pointing to the "greater light."

• The Argument: White explicitly stated that her writings were meant to lead people back to the Bible, not to replace or add to it. She viewed her role as a guide to help believers understand and apply Scripture, not to introduce new doctrines.
• Her Own Words:
  

  "I have constantly said, I am not to be looked upon as the setter forth of new doctrines. I am to be looked upon as a messenger sent to bring the people back to the Bible... My work is not to add to the word of God, but to bring the people back to the Bible." (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 706) "The Bible, and the Bible alone, is our rule of faith." (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 706)

• The Defense: Critics argue she "added" to Scripture because her writings contain theological insights. Adventists counter that these insights are applications and clarifications of existing biblical truths, not new revelations. If a doctrine is not found in the Bible, it is not considered binding Adventist doctrine, regardless of what White wrote.

2. The Nature of the "Gift of Prophecy"​

Adventists distinguish between the canonical prophets (whose writings became Scripture) and the non-canonical prophets (who exercise the gift of prophecy but whose writings do not become Scripture).

• The Argument: The biblical test for a prophet (Deuteronomy 18) focuses on whether the message aligns with God's law and whether predictions come true. It does not require that every prophet's words become part of the biblical canon.
• Biblical Precedent: The Bible mentions prophets like Agabus (Acts 11:28) and the four daughters of Philip (Acts 21:9) who prophesied but whose words are not in the Bible. Their prophetic status is not negated by the fact that their words weren't canonized.
• The Defense: Ellen White is viewed as a New Testament prophet whose role was to guide the church in the "last days" (Revelation 12:17), not to expand the canon. Her writings are considered "inspired" in the sense of being a spiritual gift for guidance, correction, and encouragement, but they are subordinate to the Bible.

3. No New Doctrines​

Adventist apologists argue that Ellen White did not introduce any new theological facts that contradict or stand outside of Scripture. Instead, she helped the church recover biblical truths that had been lost or obscured.

• The Argument: Core Adventist doctrines (Sabbath, Second Coming, State of the Dead, Sanctuary) are all derived directly from Scripture. White's role was to highlight these truths and show their interconnectedness, not to invent them.
• The Defense: When critics claim she "added" to Scripture, Adventists respond that she was simply emphasizing what was already there. For example, her emphasis on the Sabbath was based on Exodus 20 and Revelation 14, not on a new revelation.
• Quote from the Ellen G. White Estate:
  

  "Mrs. White never claimed to be a new lawgiver. She never claimed to add to the Bible. She consistently pointed to the Bible as the only rule of faith." (The Truth About "The White Lie", Ellen G. White Estate)

4. Addressing Specific Accusations (e.g., "Added Scripture")​

Critics often point to specific statements (e.g., descriptions of heaven, the face of Christ, or historical details) as "additions" to Scripture.

• The Defense: Adventists argue that these are descriptive details provided for encouragement or clarity, not doctrinal requirements.
  • Example: If White describes the appearance of the New Jerusalem, Adventists argue this is not a "new fact" that must be believed for salvation, but a vision given to comfort believers. It does not contradict Scripture, nor does it add a requirement to the gospel.
  • Non-Infallibility: Adventists admit that White was not infallible in areas of science, history, or personal opinion. They distinguish between her prophetic messages (which are inspired and authoritative for faith and practice) and her personal observations (which may reflect the knowledge of her time). If a statement is proven historically or scientifically inaccurate, it is not considered a failure of her prophetic gift, but a limitation of her human understanding in non-doctrinal matters.

5. The "Test of a Prophet" Applied​

Adventists apply the biblical tests (Isaiah 8:20, Deuteronomy 13, 18) to show she passes:

• Consistency with Scripture: Her writings consistently point to Christ and the Bible.
• Fulfillment: Her predictions regarding the growth of the church, the rise of health reform, and the final crisis have been fulfilled.
• Promotion of True Worship: She consistently called people to worship God and keep His commandments, never leading them to idolatry.
• Spiritual Fruit: The Adventist movement has produced significant spiritual fruit (health institutions, education, missionary work) attributed to her influence.

Summary of the Defense​

According to Adventist writers, the charge that Ellen White "added to Scripture" is a misunderstanding of her role. She did not add to the canon or the doctrinal foundation of the Bible. Instead, she served as a messenger to help the church understand and live out the Bible's teachings in these last days. Her writings are viewed as a commentary and guidance that is always subject to the Bible, not a replacement or addition to it.

Key Quote from Ellen White herself:

"I have never claimed to be a prophetess, but I have claimed to be a messenger of the Lord... I have never claimed to add to the word of God, but to bring the people back to the Bible." (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 706)

Thus, the defense rests on the distinction between adding to the canon (which she denied doing) and providing inspired guidance (which she claimed to do), arguing that the latter is fully compatible with the biblical definition of a true prophet.

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[Gideon300]

Interesting ....
Since you keep claiming that EGW is a "False" prophet, ... Let's see what the Bible says about TRUE PROPHETS;

Biblical foundational tests for a true prophet:

1. Consistency with Scripture​

Isaiah 8:20

• Significance: This is the primary test. Any message that contradicts the established Word of God is rejected, regardless of the miracles performed.

2. Fulfillment of Predictions​

Deuteronomy 18:21–22

• Significance: A true prophet's specific predictions must come to pass. Failure to fulfill a prophecy identifies the speaker as false.

3. Promotion of True Worship (No Idolatry)​

Deuteronomy 13:1–3

• Significance: Even if a prophet performs genuine miracles, if they lead people away from the worship of the one true God or His commandments, they are false.

4. Christ-Centered Message​

Revelation 19:10

• Significance: The essence of prophecy is to bear witness to Jesus. A true prophet directs worship to God and exalts Christ, not themselves.

John 5:39

• Significance: True prophecy aligns with the central theme of Scripture, which is the testimony of Jesus.

5. Spiritual Fruit​

Matthew 7:15–16

• Significance: The character and the results of the prophet's ministry (the "fruits") reveal their true nature.

6. Subordination to the Bible (The Standard)​

2 Peter 1:19

• Significance: While acknowledging the prophetic gift, this verse emphasizes that the written Word of God is the "more sure" standard and the ultimate light by which all else is measured.

2 Timothy 3:16–17

• Significance: Scripture is sufficient for doctrine and faith, meaning a true prophet supports and clarifies Scripture rather than replacing it.

7. Obedience to God's Commandments​

1 John 2:3–4


"Golly G" .... As Gommer Pile, useta say ...
Looks like you and your supportive friends here in these CC forums are the "False Prophets" in relation to E G White, who is giving the same Message of Repentance & Obedience to the Creator God, that Noah, Elijah, John the Baptist, Et Al preached all thru these past 6000 years.
SO !! Who am I gonna believe and take advice from ? ... You folks, promoting and vomiting Anti-Christ ( Satan's) doctrines of sin and rebellion to God, OR God's Holy Spirit led prophets, promoting Repentance, Reformation & Restoration to the Righteousness of Christ.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord" ... Joshua 24:15.

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Ellen G White had a vision of Satan in heaven answering prayers. Lord Jesus said that He saw Satan fall like lightning. Satan is the Prince of the power of the air, not of heaven. Ellen G White denied the efficacy of the precious blood of Jesus to forgive sinners. She promoted the idea of the "investigation". Lord Jesus is going to rake over the coals of the believer's life after he has confessed his sin? Do you know what forgiveness means? And why in 1844? It is absurd. Have you not read Hebrews 8:12. OK, I will do it for you:

"For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.” In context, this is the New Covenant. You should try it sometime. After all, it cost Lord Jesus His life to make it available to you.

 

[WiselyWoven]

Summary of the Defense​

According to Adventist writers...

That is (not) your first mistake. Trusting in men always brings a snare.

Thus, the defense rests on the distinction between adding to the canon (which she denied doing)...

Thus, EGW is defense-less AND a liar, as she DID add to the canon, as documented above. False prophet exposed; end of (A.I.) bloviation.
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[WiselyWoven]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church hierarchy is yoked with the United Nations and their interests are represented there.

Liaison Office to the United Nations is based at the Church's world headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA. It serves to both communicate and represent the Church at the UN and also to inform the Church of UN activities of importance and interest.
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Seventh-day Adventist leaders partner with the United Nations in many UN-sponsored activities. Indeed, the SDA Church and the United Nations globalists have common goals.

Much of the work of the Church is appreciated and endorsed since it parallels the aims and objectives of the UN as outlined in the UN Charter.

The Seventh Day Adventist high-ranking officials believe that much can be accomplished via their association with the United Nations and consider their work with the UN an essential part of their witness to the world.

The UN Liaison work is considered an essential part of the Church's witness to the wider world, and also provides the Church with updated and relevant information on programs and plans of the international community.

What kind of witness is the SDA Church accomplishing via their yoke with the United Nations? The United Nations was founded for the purpose of implementing the New Age/World Order. It is revealing that a religious organization that claims to be "the Remnant Church" considers their work with high-level globalists an essential part of their witness to the world.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church falsely presents the United Nations as a benign organization when in fact it is a MAJOR vehicle for the one world government of the Beast.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Cor. 6:14​

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20​

 

[Rob7]

@WiselyWoven

Yup ! There is much contention AND division amongst different SDA's... concerning the direction and affiliations that the SDA General Conference has established.. Not only with the UN, which is a arm of the New World Order, which is spiritually advised by occult sources, ie. The Vatican, and their military arm, the Jesuits. The SDA General Conference is also sending delegates to the Vatican, "Shaking hand with the Anti-Christ" as we conservative Adventist like to say. which is why there is a growing number of "Cottage Churches" ... Home church groups maintaining the fundament principles of the SDA Founders ... We openly criticize the direction that the formal SDA organization has gone ... and people loyal to Christ, are leaving these "worldly" organization. It's a Great Awakening , to the Holy Spirit.

Like I've said a few times here in these forums, there are True Jesus Believing / following Christian in all World Religions. It's ALL about the condition of our hearts, directed by our conscience, the Holy Spirit of Jesus. To have the Righteous Character of Christ rather than following a particular unrighteous religious creed..

I left this main SDA church congregation here in rural Tennessee, when cov19 came along and the "so called" pastor, was not warning people about this dangers of the "so called" vaccine. The General Conference had told their pastors to "not buck the system" to " not preach contrary to the mainstream medical system". Then when I brought Ellen Whites comments concerning going alone with The Worlds "sickcare" System ... He told me, "We don't really go along with all that Ellen White says. I left and haven't been back.

Sister White consuls about healing by God's methods, Homeopathic methods, rather than Allopathic, ... Natural medicine rather than the Big Pharma, Big Hospital / Healthcare, CDC/ FDA, Big Health Insurance, SCAM .. that keeps us sick, to keep us in their system, to be their "cash cows, to make money off of us from cradle to grave.

Sorry, for the rant ... The way of the world, this Evilness, ... pisses me off... excuz my French .. "aggravates me to no end"
Ellen White said that in these latter days, the SDA General Conference, would do what they are doing ... Going back into a relationship with Babylon ... would "apostatize"

Oh well ... it is what it is ... and by the power of Christ's Spirit, we shall overcome .. " .. and go singing, Glory, Glory Home." Amen !

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[Rob7]

Thus, EGW is defense-less AND a liar, as she DID add to the canon, as documented above.

I hope you realize that I'll not argue with you any longer ... You are not make logical sense... Your thinking that your accusations are the only correct understanding ... Everything HAS TO BE related to the Righteousness of Christ... and I'm sorry to say .. you fail ...

What's the old saying about arguing with a fool ?
""Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him."

 

[WiselyWoven]

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I hope you realize that I'll not argue with you any longer ...

I don't "argue" with the defenseless; the truth stands on its own. Meanwhile, simply regurgitating SDA corporate policy serves only the corporation.

What's the old saying about arguing with a fool ?
""Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him."

You're promoting a proven false prophet. Who is the fool?
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[JustThinking]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church hierarchy is yoked with the United Nations and their interests are represented there.

Liaison Office to the United Nations is based at the Church's world headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA. It serves to both communicate and represent the Church at the UN and also to inform the Church of UN activities of importance and interest.
- source

Seventh-day Adventist leaders partner with the United Nations in many UN-sponsored activities. Indeed, the SDA Church and the United Nations globalists have common goals.

Much of the work of the Church is appreciated and endorsed since it parallels the aims and objectives of the UN as outlined in the UN Charter.

The Seventh Day Adventist high-ranking officials believe that much can be accomplished via their association with the United Nations and consider their work with the UN an essential part of their witness to the world.

The UN Liaison work is considered an essential part of the Church's witness to the wider world, and also provides the Church with updated and relevant information on programs and plans of the international community.

What kind of witness is the SDA Church accomplishing via their yoke with the United Nations? The United Nations was founded for the purpose of implementing the New Age/World Order. It is revealing that a religious organization that claims to be "the Remnant Church" considers their work with high-level globalists an essential part of their witness to the world.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church falsely presents the United Nations as a benign organization when in fact it is a MAJOR vehicle for the one world government of the Beast.

Would you be so kind as to inform, discuss or comment on relationships that the RCC has with almost every organization and power on the earth?

What do they preach? Do you think they preach a very different gospel? Can you imagine anyone claiming divinity and equality with God? Has this one global power changed Gods laws and commandments? Has he rewritten how we are to be saved - that salvation dies not come through the cross but by honoring their sacraments, believing only members of their church can be saved, indulgences, pergatory, worship saints, Mary, pray to the dead, confessions and so much more that goes against the teachings of Jesus?

This is the largest, most corrupt institution the world has ever seen. Millions and perhaps billions of people over the past 1500 years may have lost their salvation because of them.

The murders, the corruption, the dishonesty and disobedience to the Word of God, over those years is staggering. All in plain sight - yet clothed in white!

God has given us His Word, His teachings in the 66 books - they come from His mind, they are infallible, they are to be read, studied and interpreted.

I would ask that you might not concentrate or focus your anger or hate on an individual who is / was trying to interpret the Word of God. She was doing nothing different that hundreds and hundreds of others who have commented, studied, interpreted scripture.

Have you read the Catholic Catechism and all their interpretations and teachings?

EGW is just another writer / interpreter on the most complicated and, at many times, the most enigmatic set of writings the world has ever known.

Take a look at “today’s accepted interpretations” - any book if the Bible. You will not find ANY consensus among scholars. They all believe they have the true interpretations. They all fall so short… including EGW.

But it is only the RCC that claims divinity, can forgive sin, is infallible, etc. Do you really believe God is taking this lightly?

 

[Rob7]

You're promoting a proven false prophet.

The "observer" God's Angels... witnessing you and I, is delineating, is determining, recording from which side we are arguing. You from a position of disobedience to God, (SIN) me from a position of obedience to God, having the Righteousness of Christ, I pray, by FAITH. This is the what and why of the Whole Gospel. Ofcourse we will argue and call each other "false prophets".

Jesus argued FOR obedience to God, The Father ... Therefore I, Loving The Father, Jesus and His Holy Spirit, in me, Gal 2:20 being a believer of Christ, by His Spirit, argue for obedience to them as well. Promoting their Character, exemplified in God's Word, Jesus, God's Moral Law ... His Standard for us, to become His Children and fit for His Kingdom, Heaven.
( Simple math = logic / God's Character = Love = The Word = the Standard = the Law = Jesus' Character )

What I have come to understand, this last year, "arguing" here, being an advocate for obedience to God, as Noah, Elijah, John the Baptist, the Disciples of Christ, et al and now at these Final Days of Earth's History, right before the Judgement declaration, Ellen G. White .... is ... that ...

Satan is a LIAR, a deceiver, the Destroyer of Souls, and has blinded (deluded) the majority of nominal professed Christians, to the simple logic of the Word of God. Thinking that they are believing Christ, but in reality are believing Satan, Gen.3
to DISOBEDIENCE ... Just where he wants YOU...

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