Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

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The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Adventists, having experienced the false prophecy of William Miller who stated Jesus would return Oct. 22, 1844, (aka The Great Disappointment) retroactively corrected the error of Miller by stating that Miller was over eager in his words and what actually took
place 10/22/1844, was the 'start' of Jesus final 'work', meaning the cleansing in the heavenly sanctuary which would actually lead up to
the 2nd coming.

The backlash after the failed expectations of so many, resulted in angry critcism and even, in some cases, violence from the public. It seems
that many followers had given up their possessions in consideration of the prophecied date of Jesus return and now they were left empty handed both spiritually and physically.

The Millerites had to deal with their own shattered expectations, as well as considerable criticism and even violence from the public. Many followers had given up their possessions in expectation of Christ's return. A Millerite church was burned in NY and 2 others were vandalized
while a mob in Illinois attacked the Millerite congregation with clubs and knive while yet another group, in Toronto, Canada, was tarred and feathered. In some other cases in Canada, Millerites were shot at.

Many Milleries gave up their beliefs but, during this time, as stated above, excues were made, corrections given and several new sects sprang up, apparently unwilling to admit error or the possibility they had been falling both a false teacher and a false prophet in the person of William Miller.

Due to the active and insistent amount of posts made in another thread here regarding the ongoing claims of White's adherents or SDA participants, along with the denials of scripture that indicate error or the skipping over of questions and so on by the same adherents, it seems it would be more helpful to discuss the problems of White's teachings in a different atmosphere where proof of the false prophecies and what scripture actually states, could be discussed. No prejudice intended, but open discussion is needed which cannot be had if certain people take scripture out of context to change the meaning or, just ignore scripture altogether.

Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
 
The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Adventists, having experienced the false prophecy of William Miller who stated Jesus would return Oct. 22, 1844, (aka The Great Disappointment) retroactively corrected the error of Miller by stating that Miller was over eager in his words and what actually took
place 10/22/1844, was the 'start' of Jesus final 'work', meaning the cleansing in the heavenly sanctuary which would actually lead up to
the 2nd coming.

The backlash after the failed expectations of so many, resulted in angry critcism and even, in some cases, violence from the public. It seems
that many followers had given up their possessions in consideration of the prophecied date of Jesus return and now they were left empty handed both spiritually and physically.

The Millerites had to deal with their own shattered expectations, as well as considerable criticism and even violence from the public. Many followers had given up their possessions in expectation of Christ's return. A Millerite church was burned in NY and 2 others were vandalized
while a mob in Illinois attacked the Millerite congregation with clubs and knive while yet another group, in Toronto, Canada, was tarred and feathered. In some other cases in Canada, Millerites were shot at.

Many Milleries gave up their beliefs but, during this time, as stated above, excues were made, corrections given and several new sects sprang up, apparently unwilling to admit error or the possibility they had been falling both a false teacher and a false prophet in the person of William Miller.

Due to the active and insistent amount of posts made in another thread here regarding the ongoing claims of White's adherents or SDA participants, along with the denials of scripture that indicate error or the skipping over of questions and so on by the same adherents, it seems it would be more helpful to discuss the problems of White's teachings in a different atmosphere where proof of the false prophecies and what scripture actually states, could be discussed. No prejudice intended, but open discussion is needed which cannot be had if certain people take scripture out of context to change the meaning or, just ignore scripture altogether.

Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. If you are interested in a discussion without SDAs I will move on but if you are open to a conversation rather than a debate I would be glad to attempt to address your concerns.
 
By itself, the above tidbit should be enough to convince anyone who has read the Bible that EGW was a nutter and not a true prophet.

Why would anyone think that God's heavenly sanctuary would need "cleansing"?

I think I'll post about that.
 
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I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. If you are interested in a discussion without SDAs I will move on but if you are open to a conversation rather than a debate I would be glad to attempt to address your concer

This is a discussion forum already, believe it or not, but I'm not changing the op
 
By itself, the above tidbit should be enough to convince anyone who has read the Bible that EGW was a nutter and not a true prophet.

Why would anyone think that God's heavenly sanctuary would need "cleansing"?
Paul explained in Hebrews:
[Heb 7:26 KJV] 26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[Heb 8:1 KJV] 1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[Heb 9:11 KJV] 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Then
[Rev 11:19 KJV] 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Please notice the heavenly sanctuary contains the ark of the testament. The ark contains the Ten Commandments. Jesus is presently officiating in the heavenly temple.
 
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I have been told by an apparent SDA adherent, in another thread, that we need to focus on Hebrews 8:10.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,

This is an example of taking scripture out of context and trying to use it to fit your narrative. Personally, I find it particularly disingenuous considering the verses prior to v.10 actually state that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.

Jesus, High Priest of a Better Covenant​

Christ’s Eternal Priesthood

1The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who ministers in the sanctuary and true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man. 3And since every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, it was necessary for this One also to have something to offer.

4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are already priests who offer gifts according to the law. 5The place where they serve is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”

The New Covenant
(Jeremiah 31:26–40)

6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second. 8But God found fault with the people and said:

“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them,

10For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord.

I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

11No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”

13By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

The old covenant is now obsolete and the new covenant, through Jesus, has taken its place. Old testament priests sacrifice daily but Jesus has completed and fulfilled all of the obligations of the old covenant and proof, apart from what scriptures states in more than one place, is that JESUS SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD and did not continue to offer sacrifice.

The earthly tabernacle was a copy of the actual sanctuary in heaven where Jesus is the High Priest, the final High Priest and High Priest for all time.

I'll continue this tomorrow.
 
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Paul explained in Hebrews:

Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3). It cannot be said, as you are doing, that Paul was absolutely the author. Not going to debate that with you as you are not aware it would seem that Paul may not be the author.

Hebrews defines Jesus as our High Priest and the author and finisher of our faith.

Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2
 
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I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. If you are interested in a discussion without SDAs I will move on but if you are open to a conversation rather than a debate I would be glad to attempt to address your concerns.
Let me be clear here. Read the op. It is probably best you move on as you say, since the op is specifically inclined towards White and her failed prophecies; not a defense of SDA doctrine.
 
Let me be clear here. Read the op. It is probably best you move on as you say, since the op is specifically inclined towards White and her failed prophecies; not a defense of SDA doctrine.
Well, alright, I’m gone.
 
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The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Adventists, having experienced the false prophecy of William Miller who stated Jesus would return Oct. 22, 1844, (aka The Great Disappointment) retroactively corrected the error of Miller by stating that Miller was over eager in his words and what actually took
place 10/22/1844, was the 'start' of Jesus final 'work', meaning the cleansing in the heavenly sanctuary which would actually lead up to
the 2nd coming.

The backlash after the failed expectations of so many, resulted in angry critcism and even, in some cases, violence from the public. It seems
that many followers had given up their possessions in consideration of the prophecied date of Jesus return and now they were left empty handed both spiritually and physically.

The Millerites had to deal with their own shattered expectations, as well as considerable criticism and even violence from the public. Many followers had given up their possessions in expectation of Christ's return. A Millerite church was burned in NY and 2 others were vandalized
while a mob in Illinois attacked the Millerite congregation with clubs and knive while yet another group, in Toronto, Canada, was tarred and feathered. In some other cases in Canada, Millerites were shot at.

Many Milleries gave up their beliefs but, during this time, as stated above, excues were made, corrections given and several new sects sprang up, apparently unwilling to admit error or the possibility they had been falling both a false teacher and a false prophet in the person of William Miller.

Due to the active and insistent amount of posts made in another thread here regarding the ongoing claims of White's adherents or SDA participants, along with the denials of scripture that indicate error or the skipping over of questions and so on by the same adherents, it seems it would be more helpful to discuss the problems of White's teachings in a different atmosphere where proof of the false prophecies and what scripture actually states, could be discussed. No prejudice intended, but open discussion is needed which cannot be had if certain people take scripture out of context to change the meaning or, just ignore scripture altogether.

Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
Isn’t this just another cult? There were no true prophets after John the Baptist.

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Adventists, having experienced the false prophecy of William Miller who stated Jesus would return Oct. 22, 1844, (aka The Great Disappointment) retroactively corrected the error of Miller by stating that Miller was over eager in his words and what actually took
place 10/22/1844, was the 'start' of Jesus final 'work', meaning the cleansing in the heavenly sanctuary which would actually lead up to
the 2nd coming.

The backlash after the failed expectations of so many, resulted in angry critcism and even, in some cases, violence from the public. It seems
that many followers had given up their possessions in consideration of the prophecied date of Jesus return and now they were left empty handed both spiritually and physically.

The Millerites had to deal with their own shattered expectations, as well as considerable criticism and even violence from the public. Many followers had given up their possessions in expectation of Christ's return. A Millerite church was burned in NY and 2 others were vandalized
while a mob in Illinois attacked the Millerite congregation with clubs and knive while yet another group, in Toronto, Canada, was tarred and feathered. In some other cases in Canada, Millerites were shot at.

Many Milleries gave up their beliefs but, during this time, as stated above, excues were made, corrections given and several new sects sprang up, apparently unwilling to admit error or the possibility they had been falling both a false teacher and a false prophet in the person of William Miller.

Due to the active and insistent amount of posts made in another thread here regarding the ongoing claims of White's adherents or SDA participants, along with the denials of scripture that indicate error or the skipping over of questions and so on by the same adherents, it seems it would be more helpful to discuss the problems of White's teachings in a different atmosphere where proof of the false prophecies and what scripture actually states, could be discussed. No prejudice intended, but open discussion is needed which cannot be had if certain people take scripture out of context to change the meaning or, just ignore scripture altogether.

Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
This should be fun. Don’t get me wrong I love American made tools, trucks, and many other products, but American made religions I’ll pass.

Don’t forget to add in the “7 year shut door” period when that claimed Jesus had closed the door to sinners.

Made in America= Latter Day Saint Movement (Joseph Smith), Seventh-day Adventists (Ellen G. White), Christian Science (Mary Baker Eddy), Jehovah’s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell), Spiritualism (The Fox Sisters), and the Shakers (Mother Ann Lee).

That’s a lot of prophets in a 60 year period all claiming to have the truth the rest of the world had been missing for 1800 years. They took “freedom of religion” to the max.
 
Isn’t this just another cult? There were no true prophets after John the Baptist.

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Revelation 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
  • 1845 Prediction: She reportedly saw that Christ would return in June 1845, but when the date passed, she claimed the vision was misunderstood—later saying it would be September 1845, which also failed.
  • 1851 Prediction: She stated the time was short and Christ would return soon, referencing the fall of 1851 as a possible timeframe. This also did not occur.
  • 1856 Vision: At a conference, she claimed some present would live to see the Second Coming. All attendees have since died, and Christ has not returned.
  • Cholera Epidemic (1849): She predicted widespread death from pestilence, saying “the dead and dying will be all around us,” but the epidemic subsided, and peace followed—leading to the removal of this passage in later editions.
  • Predicting England would declare war on the U.S., which never happened.
  • Claiming slavery would be preserved by the Civil War—contradicted by history.
  • Describing life on Jupiter and amalgamation of humans and beasts, which conflict with modern science and biblical teaching.
 
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This should be fun. Don’t get me wrong I love American made tools, trucks, and many other products, but American made religions I’ll pass.

Don’t forget to add in the “7 year shut door” period when that claimed Jesus had closed the door to sinners.

Made in America= Latter Day Saint Movement (Joseph Smith), Seventh-day Adventists (Ellen G. White), Christian Science (Mary Baker Eddy), Jehovah’s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell), Spiritualism (The Fox Sisters), and the Shakers (Mother Ann Lee).

That’s a lot of prophets in a 60 year period all claiming to have the truth the rest of the world had been missing for 1800 years. They took “freedom of religion” to the max.
Add Darby and Scoffield to that list with their "sudden teleportation" rapture fantasy. Along with prosperity gospel sect. Very sadly, these have become the dominating mainstream.
 
The record of false 'prophecies' from EG White is both extensive and alarming, considering the adherents who still follow her, while ignoring the record of error and insisting that she was both accurate and a true 'prophet'.

Adventists, having experienced the false prophecy of William Miller who stated Jesus would return Oct. 22, 1844, (aka The Great Disappointment) retroactively corrected the error of Miller by stating that Miller was over eager in his words and what actually took
place 10/22/1844, was the 'start' of Jesus final 'work', meaning the cleansing in the heavenly sanctuary which would actually lead up to
the 2nd coming.

The backlash after the failed expectations of so many, resulted in angry critcism and even, in some cases, violence from the public. It seems
that many followers had given up their possessions in consideration of the prophecied date of Jesus return and now they were left empty handed both spiritually and physically.

The Millerites had to deal with their own shattered expectations, as well as considerable criticism and even violence from the public. Many followers had given up their possessions in expectation of Christ's return. A Millerite church was burned in NY and 2 others were vandalized
while a mob in Illinois attacked the Millerite congregation with clubs and knive while yet another group, in Toronto, Canada, was tarred and feathered. In some other cases in Canada, Millerites were shot at.

Many Milleries gave up their beliefs but, during this time, as stated above, excues were made, corrections given and several new sects sprang up, apparently unwilling to admit error or the possibility they had been falling both a false teacher and a false prophet in the person of William Miller.

Due to the active and insistent amount of posts made in another thread here regarding the ongoing claims of White's adherents or SDA participants, along with the denials of scripture that indicate error or the skipping over of questions and so on by the same adherents, it seems it would be more helpful to discuss the problems of White's teachings in a different atmosphere where proof of the false prophecies and what scripture actually states, could be discussed. No prejudice intended, but open discussion is needed which cannot be had if certain people take scripture out of context to change the meaning or, just ignore scripture altogether.

Here is one false prophecy of White:

White contends the Sabbath is still in effect and Sunday is not honored by God as day to honor Him

What scripture actually says:

The New Testament clearly shows Christians worshiping together on Sunday, not Saturday and Romans 14 teaches that the individual must be convinced in their own mind of the day they choose to observe.
"Let no man judge you..........." SDA also claims that the Beast of Revelation will enforce Sunday worship, as if that were inherently evil. E.G. White claims "Sunday-keepers will "receive the full wrath of God and die"". Utter heresy, of course, based on twisted interpretations of scripture that cannot be justified.
 
Paul explained in Hebrews:
[Heb 7:26 KJV] 26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[Heb 8:1 KJV] 1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[Heb 9:11 KJV] 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Then
[Rev 11:19 KJV] 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Please notice the heavenly sanctuary contains the ark of the testament. The ark contains the Ten Commandments. Jesus is presently officiating in the heavenly temple.
That says nothing about a need for cleansing.
 
So Agabus was not a “true prophet”? That is not what your cited verse says.
Oh that’s interesting! Wasn’t there a difference between OT prophets and those in the 1st century? God spoke to the prophets in the OT via dreams or directly. In the the NT, the Spirit speaks to you.

So perhaps the quoted verse above is referring to the OT prophets? Also, there aren’t any prophets today. The Bible speaks to you. Every so called prophet today is false.

His word never changes.
 
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Oh that’s interesting! Wasn’t there a difference between OT prophets and those in the 1st century? God spoke to the prophets in the OT via dreams or directly. In the the NT, the Spirit speaks to you.

So perhaps the quoted verse above is referring to the OT prophets? Also, there aren’t any prophets today. The Bible speaks to you. Every so called prophet today is false.

His word never changes.
That doesn’t mean that our understanding of it shouldn’t.

You said “true prophets”, not “OT prophets”. Care to rephrase?