When Do Christians Receive The Holy Spirit ?
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Acts 19 is not a transitional event. It is a universal pattern for all believers. Jesus revealed this in Luke 24:47 when He stated that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name to all nations beginning in Jerusalem. And as prophesied, in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost the NT gospel message was preached: "Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
Also, note that Paul's initial question had nothing to do with what was later revealed in the Acts 19 account. His question reveals that a believer does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost the instant they believe the gospel message. The account itself proves the point as well. The men did not receive the Holy Ghost when they believed Paul's message about Jesus, nor when they submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus. It was afterward, at the laying on of hands that they received the Holy Ghost as evidenced by their speaking in tongues, and prophesying.
Note the Samaritan account reveals the same thing. The Samaritans believed Philip's message, and submitted to water baptism in the name of Jesus. Yet, they did not receive the Holy Ghost until days later when Peter and John arrived. (Acts 8:12-18)
Lastly, the Ephesians letter was addressed to the very people who experienced what's documented in the Acts 19 account. As such, what was the word of truth, the gospel of salvation they heard and obeyed that resulted in their being sealed with the Holy Ghost?
There are many voices heard in the world today. But the ultimate voice of authority is the Word of God. Selah.
No. We Baptists and other evangelicals believe WB symbolizes saving faith and thus SB.
Huh? Don't you know that the purpose of perseverance is to serve God as we become more morally mature?
People receive the Holy Spirit after hearing the True Gospel and believing it. Eph. 1:13-14 / 2Th. 2:13 But that can't happen till after the correct response to what God offers all men is made. 2Th. 2:10-13 If the correct "choice" is made, the father continues to seek them and never stops till they are saved. Joh. 4:23-24 (Present Tense) If not, "For this reason" everyone who rejects what is offered receives a deluding influence "From God" to believe lies are truth and the truth is lies. All who reject it will never see salvation and are "Perishing", 2Th. 2:10 and they can never even see, let alone believe, the true gospel. 2Co. 4:3-4When true Christians leave their faith in another God. By closing your eyes and praying to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Taking the side of truth. By repenting and turning away from sin, the Holy Spirit is received. The Holy Spirit resides only in the Christian believer.
In the Holy Bible, you receive the Holy Spirit the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.
Accept Jesus wholeheartedly.
John 14:26
King James Version
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16:7-8
King James Version
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Ephesians 1:13-14
King James Version
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
This means all those who reject what God offers in can never ever get to the point where they can see/hear the true gospel, let alone believe it. Eph. 1:13-14
Good understanding of 2Thes. 2:10-13. I had not noticed how that applies to the tulip debate.
Yes, they choose not to love the truth/Gospel and to believe a lie/delusion.
This passage both describes A&E in Gen. 3:1-7 and parallels Rom. 1:21-26, with which I am more familiar
(and wrote a song about, linked below). I will plug that into my notes. Thanks!
(Hope you like the song; I suggest listening to it while comparing the lyrics with Rom. 1:1-2:9a :^)
https://groovykerygma.bandcamp.com/track/from-paul-to-the-proud
You keep appealing to narrative passages in Acts, but you're overlooking the direct doctrinal teaching of the epistles.
If Acts 19 establishes a universal pattern, then why does Paul later tell the Ephesians that they were sealed with the Holy Spirit when they heard and believed the gospel (Ephesians 1:13)? He doesn't point them to a later experience, laying on of hands, or speaking in tongues.
Likewise, Romans 8:9 says that anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. So were the men in Acts 19 already Christians without the Spirit, or were they disciples of John who had not yet come to full faith in Christ? The text itself points to the latter, since they only knew John's baptism.
Acts 8 and Acts 19 describe unique historical events. Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and 1 Corinthians teach what is true for all believers. Doctrine should interpret narrative, not the other way around.
My question is simple: Can you show a single passage in the epistles that teaches a born-again believer can belong to Christ yet remain without the Holy Spirit until a later experience?
Well, that expectation is too vague to be helpful.
You did help me gain more appreciation for the KJV during recent months, though.
So, where did I go wrong just now, specifically?
Why do you judge me as not surrendering to Him?
You should cite specific evidence for making such a serious accusation.
Without it, I suspect you are projecting your own spiritual condition onto me.
Well, instead of judging, you should practice what you preach,
because what you believe I receive avails nothing. Watch yourself!
I am relieved that you could not cite a specific example of me not "surrendering" though.
Sorry, not true.
By repenting and giving ones life to Jesus, one receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the blood of Jesus which cleanses man of his sin and provides him with salvation.
NOTE:
Receiving the Holy Spirit is revealed in the teachings of the Apostle Paul.
Acts, Chapter 19:
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
New believers are truly "saved" upon repentance, however they are not "sanctified." Sanctification" is when a believer receives the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. This happens when a believer prays for the Holy Spirit, and SANCTIFIED BELIEVERS (usually Church elders) lay hands on them and pray over them.
This CAN happen at the time of ones salvation IF Sanctified believers go to the Alter with the new believer and lay hands on them and pray over them. However, not ALL people repent and seek salvation at a Church Alter. Salvation can happen anywhere a person comes under the conviction of the Holy Spirit and repents and prays for forgiveness of their sins. In a forest, middle of the ocean on a ship, in a corn field........anywhere!!!
The Spirits person judges all things and is under no man's judgement.
The evidence of a surrendered one is so obvious to one who has, and is surrendering . The same can be said of one who has not surrendered.
The reason I chose you to highlight is I think you may be one able to do it.
What are you waiting for? Your calling could end at any time.
Only a surrendered life will avail what's waiting for you, not intellect.
What many are unaware of, is that the apostles' epistles must be read alongside the Book of Acts. Acts provides the historical record of how people responded to the gospel, while the epistles were often written later to those same believers to instruct, encourage, and remind them of truths they had already experienced.
A clear example is the church at Ephesus. In Acts 19:1-7, Paul encountered disciples who had only received John's baptism. After teaching them about Jesus Christ, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, and afterward they received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Years later, Paul wrote the Epistle to the Ephesians to these same believers. Rather than repeating the details of their conversion, he reminded them:
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" (Ephesians 1:13).
The "word of truth" they had heard was the very gospel preached to them in Acts 19. They believed in Jesus Christ, were baptized in His name, and afterward were "sealed with the Holy Ghost." Thus, Ephesians 1:13 does not replace or contradict Acts 19:1-7; rather, it confirms the experience already recorded there. The historical account in Acts shows how the Ephesians received salvation, while the epistle explains the spiritual significance of what they had already experienced.