Acts ch 10 v 37- 43

[rogerg]

Ephesians 1 v 2 Grace be to you , and peace from GOD OUR FATHER, and from the Lord Jesus Christ . ( 2 separate identities)
V3 Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, ( notice it’s not LORD Jesus Christ ) don’t let the spirit of Antichrist get a hold on you !

So, you can't refute 2 Pe 1:1 or Tit 2:13, but instead chose to ignore them moving on to another verse, trying to change the subject, correct? You fell short.

Eph 1 vs2 is making a distinction of who they are not what they are - it distinguishes identities but unites them with the same power: If grace and peace are given by both the Father and Jesus Christ, then they are from God. Do you actually think about the verses you post before you post them?

 

[BBerean]

2 Peter v 1 and 2 reveal 2 identities , you are not able to read in context, it’s useless you are well indoctrinated it appears. Show me a a dozen verses where Jesus says he is God ? You can’t they don’t exist. You ignore the scriptures in a whole , I’m not interested in showing you all your errors because it’s like trying to make a blind man see . End of discussion.

 

[rogerg]

2 Peter v 1 and 2 reveal 2 identities , you are not able to read in context, it’s useless you are well indoctrinated it appears. Show me a a dozen verses where Jesus says he is God ? You can’t they don’t exist. You ignore the scriptures in a whole , I’m not interested in showing you all your errors because it’s like trying to make a blind man see . End of discussion.

Yeah, pretty much what I expected from you. End of discussion.

 

[BBerean]

Isaiah is loaded with verses that prove Jesus is not the LORD God .

Here is one Isaiah 46 Remember the former things of old : for I am God , and there is none else; I am God , and there is none like me , Decarling the end from the beginning, and from the ancient times the things that are not yet done , saying , My counsel shall stand , and I will do all my pleasure.

Mark 13 v 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man , ( including Jesus ) not the angels which are in heaven , neither the Son ( Jesus ) , but the Father …

Luke 22 v 42 Father , if thou be willing , remove this cup from me : nevertheless not my will , but thine , be done .

Thank you Lord Jesus for your faithfulness to Your God and father on our behalf !

Here we can see Jesus is not the Father God . Yet he was faithful as a servant to God as said in Isaiah many times .

 

[rogerg]

Isaiah is loaded with verses that prove Jesus is not the LORD God .

Here is one Isaiah 46 Remember the former things of old : for I am God , and there is none else; I am God , and there is none like me , Decarling the end from the beginning, and from the ancient times the things that are not yet done , saying , My counsel shall stand , and I will do all my pleasure.

Mark 13 v 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man , ( including Jesus ) not the angels which are in heaven , neither the Son ( Jesus ) , but the Father …

Luke 22 v 42 Father , if thou be willing , remove this cup from me : nevertheless not my will , but thine , be done .

Thank you Lord Jesus for your faithfulness to Your God and father on our behalf !

Here we can see Jesus is not the Father God . Yet he was faithful as a servant to God as said in Isaiah many times .

Even while being God, He took upon Himself the form of a man, lived as a servant, and spoke as a man, but also spoke as God

Jesus is the Savior and there is but one Savior. That Savior is God; therefore, Jesus is God.
Read and think about the following verses that demonstrates that.

[Isa 45:21 KJV] 21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

[Isa 45:15 KJV] 15 Verily thou [art] a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

[Isa 60:16 KJV] 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD [am] thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

[Hos 13:4 KJV] 4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

[Luk 1:47 KJV] 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

[Luk 2:11 KJV] 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

[Jhn 4:42 KJV] 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard [him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

[1Ti 2:3 KJV] 3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

[2Ti 1:10 KJV] 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

[Tit 2:13 KJV] 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

[Tit 3:4, 6 KJV]
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, ...
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

[Jde 1:25 KJV] 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[rogerg]

Isaiah is loaded with verses that prove Jesus is not the LORD God .

Here is one Isaiah 46 Remember the former things of old : for I am God , and there is none else; I am God , and there is none like me , Decarling the end from the beginning, and from the ancient times the things that are not yet done , saying , My counsel shall stand , and I will do all my pleasure.

Mark 13 v 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man , ( including Jesus ) not the angels which are in heaven , neither the Son ( Jesus ) , but the Father …

Luke 22 v 42 Father , if thou be willing , remove this cup from me : nevertheless not my will , but thine , be done .

Thank you Lord Jesus for your faithfulness to Your God and father on our behalf !

Here we can see Jesus is not the Father God . Yet he was faithful as a servant to God as said in Isaiah many times .

Correct, there is but one God and that God is not limited by space, time, form, or location

[Exo 3:14 KJV] 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Notice the below verse came from the book of Isaiah

[Isa 9:6 KJV] 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[p_rehbein]

There is no teaching of any importance of a trinity in the Bible , its man made doctrine. Jesus is the Son of God . Not an anti christ God .

NOT TRUE.

The entire Gospel of John identifies, defines and acclaims the Holy Trinity. Those who deny the Holy Trinity deny the Holy Ghost, the divinity of Jesus, and, thus, God Himself.

Simple fact. The Holy Trinity is GOD!

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Any who deny this will have a rude awakening on the day they appear before the Judgement Seat I fear..........

 

[BBerean]

The trinity doctrine is so full of nonsense.

1+1+1=1 go to a grade school and get educated please .

Jesus is 100 % God and 100% man .

lol so contradictory can we take you seriously?

Please send your post to the need a laugh thread !

 

[BBerean]

NOT TRUE.

The entire Gospel of John identifies, defines and acclaims the Holy Trinity. Those who deny the Holy Trinity deny the Holy Ghost, the divinity of Jesus, and, thus, God Himself.

Simple fact. The Holy Trinity is GOD!

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Any who deny this will have a rude awakening on the day they appear before the Judgement Seat I fear..........

Facts Lol what Bible is that in ? Don’t answer it isn’t .

 

[BBerean]

Jesus is the Son of God .

What part of English do you Trintarians not understand?

 

[DavidLamb]

Jesus is the Son of God .

What part of English do you Trintarians not understand?

Yes Jesus is indeed the Son of God, but even His enemies realised that He was claiming to be God:

(Joh 5:18 NKJV) Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Jesus also said:

(Joh 10:30) I and My Father are one."

and:

(Joh 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 

[dkontner]

John 8

19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
...
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

 

[BBerean]

Yes Jesus is indeed the Son of God, but even His enemies realised that He was claiming to be God:

(Joh 5:18 NKJV) Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Jesus also said:

(Joh 10:30) I and My Father are one."

and:

(Joh 14:9) Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

I’m sorry but you failed to understand the context, it appears you have been duped too . Jesus said to the Pharisees that he said he was the Son of God and you believe the Pharisees over Jesus own words ? Read it again . Do you not understand a relationship of two Jesus and his Father ? A husband and a wife also have a relationship yet two Individuals. Man you have been duped too. If Jesus is God he would be insane to pray to himself and ask permission etc ! He was one in obedience in agreement, in thought , in purpose . Not One and the same person , I thank God for the Truth it sets me free from terrible lies ! Careful prayerful study of the word, not indoctrination of men . Jesus called The Father his God also ! God has a God ? Have you ever read the OT ? You are breaking the first commandment, you shall have no other Gods before me . Did you even think about that ? The truth sets you free from incredible lies . God was with Jesus and in a marvellous way and gave Jesus his power and authority. But that does not make Jesus God . Show me a verse where Jesus says “ I Am the LORD thy God “ it does not exist because it would be a lie but you just don’t get it . Jesus is the Son of God as the word of God , the witnesses of the Bible and God himself testify, yet you don’t get it ! He can not be the Son of God and God too , one or the other it’s so simple. But you don’t get it . It’s so overwhelmingly easy to see in the Bible yet you don’t get it ? Many do though so I’m glad for that . The LORD God called Jesus his beloved Son yet you can’t get it ? A person must start laughing at some point . But sad as well so many deceived void of the Spirit of truth . Jesus will to those people I never knew you on that day . Even people outside of professing Christianity, see the foolishness of Trintarians , and turn to other religions like Islam , so you people have a serious problem with The Lord on judgement day . Where does it say the in the bible there is a importantance of believing in a trinity? It does not . It’s man made judgments on others and hell to pay for this kind of judgment on people.
Your fear mongering and threats of not believing your lies make me laugh because I know it’s all lies and not God honourable. I know the truth Jesus is the Son of God . If you make Jesus God then you do not believe Jesus is the Son of God whom God says he is . So therefore you are denying the Father and the Son . Calling God a lier . I could go on you are deceived people blind leading the blind . Trintarians have made Jesus their IDOL at the expense of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY sitting on the throne in heaven from everlasting to everlasting. You are aware the Jesus is not sitting on the throne as GOD Almighty are you ? Check it out ! When Jesus said I and my father are one notice he forgot to include the Holy Spirit , so that would make the Trinity not real in Jesus words . And where is the Holy Spirits throne in heaven . And why are we never told to worship the Holy Spirit ? A few questions you need to check out . Let the Bible be your Bible . As Jesus said many shall come in my name Saying IAm Christ and deceive many ! Saying IAm Christ ? Making Christ God ? God cannot die on the cross did you know that or even think about it ? Jesus shed his blood for us on the cross . God is spirit and has no blood did you know that ? Some things you need to check out . God gave Jesus his power and authority for his ministry at his baptism. Seems Trintarians missed that too . Check it out . When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead , Jesus said it was because Father In Heaven always answered his prayers, seems Trintarians missed that too , check it out . So much you people missed reading the Bible , I’m only scratching the surface. The living word of God is wonderful it will set you free from lies … check it out don’t be one of the many that Jesus will say I never knew you ….

 

[DavidLamb]

I’m sorry but you failed to understand the context, it appears you have been duped too . Jesus said to the Pharisees that he said he was the Son of God and you believe the Pharisees over Jesus own words ? Read it again . Do you not understand a relationship of two Jesus and his Father ? A husband and a wife also have a relationship yet two Individuals. Man you have been duped too. If Jesus is God he would be insane to pray to himself and ask permission etc ! He was one in obedience in agreement, in thought , in purpose . One and the same person , I thank God for the Truth it sets me free from terrible lies ! Careful prayerful study of the word, not indoctrination of men . Jesus called The Father his God also ! God has a God ? Have you ever read the OT ? You are breaking the first commandment, you shall have no other Gods before me . Did you even think about that ? The truth sets you free from incredible lies . God was with Jesus and in a marvellous way and gave Jesus his power and authority. But that does not make Jesus God . Show me a verse where Jesus says “ I Am the LORD thy God “ it does not exist because it would be a lie but you just don’t get it . Jesus is the Son of God as the word of God , the witnesses of the Bible and God himself testify, yet you don’t get it ! He can not be the Son of God and God too , one or the other it’s so simple. But you don’t get it . It’s so overwhelmingly easy to see in the Bible yet you don’t get it ? Many do though so I’m glad for that . The LORD God called Jesus his beloved Son yet you can’t get it ? A person must start laughing at some point . But sad as well so many deceived void of the Spirit of truth . Jesus will to those people I never knew you on that day . Even people outside of professing Christianity, see the foolishness of Trintarians , and turn to other religions like Islam , so you people have a serious problem with The Lord on judgement day . Where does it say the in the bible there is a importantance of believing in a trinity? It does not . It’s man made judgments on others and hell to pay for this kind of judgment on people.
Your fear mongering and threats of not believing your lies make me laugh because I know it’s all lies and not God honourable. I know the truth Jesus is the Son of God . If you make Jesus God then you do not believe Jesus is
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

the Son of God whom God says he is . So therefore you are denying the Father and the Son . Calling God a lier . I could go on you are deceived people blind leading the blind . Trintarians have made Jesus their IDOL at the expense of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY sitting on the throne in heaven from everlasting to everlasting. You are aware the Jesus is not sitting on the throne as GOD Almighty are you ? Check it out ! When Jesus said I and my father are one notice he forgot to include the Holy Spirit , so that would make the Trinity not real in Jesus words . And where is the Holy Spirits throne in heaven . And why are we never told to worship the Holy Spirit ? A few questions you need to check out . Let the Bible be your Bible . As Jesus said many shall come in my name Saying IAm Christ and deceive many ! Saying IAm Christ ? Making Christ God ? God cannot die on the cross did you know that or even think about it ? Jesus shed his blood for us on the cross . God is spirit and has no blood did you know that ? Some things you need to check out . God gave Jesus his power and authority for his ministry at his baptism. Seems Trintarians missed that too . Check it out . When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead , Jesus said it was because Father In Heaven always answered his prayers, seems Trintarians missed that too , check it out . So much you people missed reading the Bible , I’m only scratching the surface. The living word of God is wonderful it will set you free from lies … check it out don’t be one of the many that Jesus will say I never knew you ….

Sorry, where have I issued fearmongering or threats in any of my posts? If anything I have posted came across as a threat, it certainly wasn't intentional, and I humbly apologise.

And I am not denying the Father and the Son. Jesus is the Son of God. I have not denied that. But according to John 1:1-3 & 14, Jesus, Whom John calls "the Word", He is God too:

(Joh 1:1 NKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) He was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[BBerean]

Jesus is the word of God made flesh , and God spoke the word . God has no beginning.

Jesus was with God before Abraham, again that does not make Jesus God or he would have said so .

When God says so many times in the OT he is God alone and no other . Ask yourself the question does he lie ? Or is it so .

Jesus never says I AM the LORD God ever why ? Because it’s not the truth .
He is the Son of the LORD God .
Let’s see some facts of scripture, not twisted verses to make an artificial God .

Jesus plainly said he could do nothing without God . Read the book of John it’s so clear on Jesus relationship with his Father God . That’s admitting he is not God do you get it ?

 

[lrs68]

From the first Scroll of the Torah which is the Book of Bereshit but in the English called Genesis 19:24

Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven.


This shows the SAME God in 2 places at once and reveals as ONE working together like it's 2 but it's only 1.

 

[BBerean]

Sorry, where have I issued fearmongering or threats in any of my posts? If anything I have posted came across as a threat, it certainly wasn't intentional, and I humbly apologise.

And I am not denying the Father and the Son. Jesus is the Son of God. I have not denied that. But according to John 1:1-3 & 14, Jesus, Whom John calls "the Word", He is God too:

(Joh 1:1 NKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) He was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace

Sorry, where have I issued fearmongering or threats in any of my posts? If anything I have posted came across as a threat, it certainly wasn't intentional, and I humbly apologise.

And I am not denying the Father and the Son. Jesus is the Son of God. I have not denied that. But according to John 1:1-3 & 14, Jesus, Whom John calls "the Word", He is God too:

(Joh 1:1 NKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) He was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Read those verses in context with the rest of scriptures, and the word is from God and is of God no doubt . God spoke the word not Jesus . So to make Jesus God in light of all scripture here is a stretch beyond reason . Trying to find a single verse to out weigh a ton of scripture is crazy . Jesus is not God almighty.

 

[DavidLamb]

Jesus is the word of God made flesh , and God spoke the word . God has no beginning.

So why does John say, "And the Word was God"? If Jesus is the Word, then Jesus is God.

Jesus was with God before Abraham, again that does not make Jesus God or he would have said so .

God's word does say so, as I quoted those verses from John 1.

When God says so many times in the OT he is God alone and no other . Ask yourself the question does he lie ? Or is it so .

Jesus never says I AM the LORD God ever why ? Because it’s not the truth .
He is the Son of the LORD God .
Let’s see some facts of scripture, not twisted verses to make an artificial God .

I don't see how it could be any clearer. John wrote that Jesus was with God in the beginning, that Jesus was God.

Jesus plainly said he could do nothing without God . Read the book of John it’s so clear on Jesus relationship with his Father God . That’s admitting he is not God do you get it ?

And John begins by saying:

(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:2) He was in the beginning with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

 

[DavidLamb]

Read those verses in context with the rest of scriptures, and the word is from God and is of God no doubt . God spoke the word not Jesus . So to make Jesus God in light of all scripture here is a stretch beyond reason . Trying to find a single verse to out weigh a ton of scripture is crazy . Jesus is not God almighty.

Well, I cannot agree with that. You still haven't told me where, according to you, I issued threats.

 

[BBerean]

From the first Scroll of the Torah which is the Book of Bereshit but in the English called Genesis 19:24

Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven.


This shows the SAME God in 2 places at once and reveals as ONE working together like it's 2 but it's only 1.

God has ministering angels , not just one . They work on his behalf , 7 spirits before his throne?