Applying God's Word to Politics

[TruthDefender]

Yes, apparently the surgeons implanted a brain as well as a pacemaker four years ago.

Yep, it’s apparently working!

 

[passion84god]

bomb people out of their homeland

Be careful now. Some whack jobs, like Mike Huckabee, have no problem with a nation like Israel taking the whole Middle East because of their misguided interpretations of God's promise to Abraham and his seed. Therefore, the homelands that are being bombed aren't really the homelands of the people living there, but the homeland of the Israelites instead. I wonder how these people sleep at night as innocents are pretty regularly wiped off of the face of the earth. Then again, I really don't wonder because I think I know what spirit is truly leading these people.

Heeeeeeeeere's Mikey!

 

[TruthDefender]

Therefore, the homelands that are being bombed aren't really the homelands of the people living there, but the homeland of the Israelites instead. I wonder how these people sleep at night as innocents are pretty regularly wiped off of the face of the earth. Then again, I really don't wonder because I think I know what spirit is truly leading these people.

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You are correct in saying that they are no longer God’s sheep. You are only His, if you do His will under the NC.

There may be some who do His will, only God knows, but we are all one in Him.

 

[Churchgoer]

You are well informed, very encouraging to know this, there are few very who are ....

however, I see it more as a need to be de-programmed, these people are not aware they are programmed, so will they seek truth in order to wake up?....probably not.
The programming is all around us and the very document (Bible) which should open one's eyes, has been so twisted (dispensationalism) as to actually reinforce the installed programming.

I have to be honest, 20 years ago when I was a fairly young Christian, yes I believed what some church crowd taught about dispensationism, though they themselves don't even know the term, they just follow the bigger crowd.
With Holy spirit guidance, Bible reading study, I just can't understand why there is another way to salvation, besides Jesus. And many institutions buy into that lie? Jesus didn't teach us enough bright and clear? Or our human beings just so easy to worship idles, like the golden calf?

So I say to the church people today, don't follow the crowd, only follow Jesus, Jesus will never contradict the scripture.

 

[HeIsHere]

I have to be honest, 20 years ago when I was a fairly young Christian, yes I believed what some church crowd taught about dispensationism, though they themselves don't even know the term, they just follow the bigger crowd.
With Holy spirit guidance, Bible reading study, I just can't understand why there is another way to salvation, besides Jesus. And many institutions buy into that lie? Jesus didn't teach us enough bright and clear? Or our human beings just so easy to worship idles, like the golden calf?

So I say to the church people today, don't follow the crowd, only follow Jesus, Jesus will never contradict the scripture.

Yes as a new Christian I was taught the same general false doctrines of of C. I. Scofield and John Darby... how those two men were able to spread their ideas across an entire nation could be considered diabolically impressive.

It took a long while for me to realize the errors as well.

There are some extreme forms of dispensationalism that are right off the rails... humans and even believers are very easy to lead astray especially when couched in what sounds like Biblical terminology and a process of repetition, I guess that is why Jesus called us sheep.

The idolatry is baffling, I do not get it either.
But there are also many bots on the internet, and people who are financed to keep certain false teachings alive .. as well we see this when certain pastors were treated to a trip across the pond, a while back to shore up support.

 

[GWH]

I have to be honest, 20 years ago when I was a fairly young Christian, yes I believed what some church crowd taught about dispensationism, though they themselves don't even know the term, they just follow the bigger crowd.
With Holy spirit guidance, Bible reading study, I just can't understand why there is another way to salvation, besides Jesus. And many institutions buy into that lie? Jesus didn't teach us enough bright and clear? Or our human beings just so easy to worship idles, like the golden calf?

So I say to the church people today, don't follow the crowd, only follow Jesus, Jesus will never contradict the scripture.

Just as catholic can mean world-wide rather than persecutor of Protestants,
so also dispensation can mean revelation rather than a different gospel.

Scripture indicates that there have been three types or stages of revelation: general (Rom. 1:20), OT (law) and NT (Gospel).
Paul viewed the first/earliest two stages as preparatory or proto-gospel revelation that led historically to one Way/Christ.

 

[GWH]

Yes as a new Christian I was taught the same general false doctrines of of C. I. Scofield and John Darby... how those two men were able to spread their ideas across an entire nation could be considered diabolically impressive.

It took a long while for me to realize the errors as well.

There are some extreme forms of dispensationalism that are right off the rails... humans and even believers are very easy to lead astray especially when couched in what sounds like Biblical terminology and a process of repetition, I guess that is why Jesus called us sheep.

The idolatry is baffling, I do not get it either.
But there are also many bots on the internet, and people who are financed to keep certain false teachings alive .. as well we see this when certain pastors were treated to a trip across the pond, a while back to shore up support.

Fortunately, I was raised in a church where ehough scientists and mechanical engineers from Sandia Labs attended to prevent the preaching from contradicting the Pauline approach: Test everything and keep the good/true (1Thes. 5:21).

 

[Aaron56]

Yes as a new Christian I was taught the same general false doctrines of of C. I. Scofield and John Darby... how those two men were able to spread their ideas across an entire nation could be considered diabolically impressive.

It took a long while for me to realize the errors as well.

There are some extreme forms of dispensationalism that are right off the rails... humans and even believers are very easy to lead astray especially when couched in what sounds like Biblical terminology and a process of repetition, I guess that is why Jesus called us sheep.

The idolatry is baffling, I do not get it either.
But there are also many bots on the internet, and people who are financed to keep certain false teachings alive .. as well we see this when certain pastors were treated to a trip across the pond, a while back to shore up support.

Yeah, much of what was preached during the 60's, 70's and 80's was a political, Ameri-centric message; a gross amalgamation of politics and religion that equated the American Dream with the gospel. Even Billy Graham admitted his regret of conflating the Truth with politics.

Thing is, many who cut their teeth on the message from that era (like many older posters on this site) carry on the error without realizing it. They continue to foment the lies they learned in their youth but, because they mixed it with great personal investment, the message became their "life's work". To admit they are wrong now would be to cast a shadow of great, personal doubt on their self-perceived "ministry" so close tho the grave. If they believed in the Lord's kindness and mercy they would easily repent. But, because they lack the same, they fear admitting they were wrong.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah, much of what was preached during the 60's, 70's and 80's was a political, Ameri-centric message; a gross amalgamation of politics and religion that equated the American Dream with the gospel. Even Billy Graham admitted his regret of conflating the Truth with politics.

Thing is, many who cut their teeth on the message from that era (like many older posters on this site) carry on the error without realizing it. They continue to foment the lies they learned in their youth but, because they mixed it with great personal investment, the message became their "life's work". To admit they are wrong now would be to cast a shadow of great, personal doubt on their self-perceived "ministry" so close tho the grave. If they believed in the Lord's kindness and mercy they would easily repent. But, because they lack the same, they fear admitting they were wrong.

Yes this is the truth of it for sure... you have captured it very well.

A lack of "belief in the Lord's kindness and mercy" for some yes, others clear hubris or outright dishonesty, but I had not thought of it that way.. I do see it as well.

I always appreciate a different perspective/angle on a problem, helps ease the frustration I feel daily as I watch the USA fall into who knows what.

 

[GWH]

Yeah, much of what was preached during the 60's, 70's and 80's was a political, Ameri-centric message; a gross amalgamation of politics and religion that equated the American Dream with the gospel. Even Billy Graham admitted his regret of conflating the Truth with politics.

Thing is, many who cut their teeth on the message from that era (like many older posters on this site) carry on the error without realizing it. They continue to foment the lies they learned in their youth but, because they mixed it with great personal investment, the message became their "life's work". To admit they are wrong now would be to cast a shadow of great, personal doubt on their self-perceived "ministry" so close tho the grave. If they believed in the Lord's kindness and mercy they would easily repent. But, because they lack the same, they fear admitting they were wrong.

As was pointed out to me recently, the reluctance to admit wrong beliefs is mentioned in 2Thes. 2:10-13,
which indicates that lacking love for truth leads to stone-walling and snowballing error, which prompted
me to add this point to my elaboration of the Christian creed:

6. This creed summarizes revelation of the NT Gospel/Truth (Matt. 26:13, John 14:6), which fulfilled the OT revelation (Matt. 5:17, John 19:30, Heb. 7:11-10:10) and culminates the search for salvation by souls who know only general revelation (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, Matt. 7:12). Seeking begins when souls love truth/repent of false beliefs (2Thes. 2:10&13, Matt. 4:17, 7:7), which is the Way to eternal life God wills, who is the Lord Jesus (Matt. 7:14, John 1:14, 4:24, 14:6). Lacking this love leads to believing lies and debauchery (Matt. 7:6, Rom. 1:18&25-26, 2Thes. 2:11-12).

 

[TruthDefender]

Just as catholic can mean world-wide rather than persecutor of Protestants,
so also dispensation can mean revelation rather than a different gospel.

Scripture indicates that there have been three types or stages of revelation: general (Rom. 1:20), OT (law) and NT (Gospel).
Paul viewed the first/earliest two stages as preparatory or proto-gospel revelation that led historically to one Way/Christ.

Isn’t dispensationalism mostly Baptist doctrine? I’ve heard of it but had to look it up to find out what it is.

 

[Aaron56]

Isn’t dispensationalism mostly Baptist doctrine? I’ve heard of it but had to look it up to find out what it is.

According to Wikipedia: Key denominations and networks include the Plymouth Brethren, Baptist Bible Fellowship International, Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), Assemblies of God, Calvary Chapel, and the Christian and Missionary Alliance.

 

[TruthDefender]

According to Wikipedia: Key denominations and networks include the Plymouth Brethren, Baptist Bible Fellowship International, Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), Assemblies of God, Calvary Chapel, and the Christian and Missionary Alliance.

Aren’t all those Baptist factions?

 

[GWH]

According to Wikipedia: Key denominations and networks include the Plymouth Brethren, Baptist Bible Fellowship International, Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), Assemblies of God, Calvary Chapel, and the Christian and Missionary Alliance.

As one who was raised in the SBC, I can tell you that it does not have dispensationalism as part of its Statement of Faith unless it was added in recent years. My understanding is that the doctrine is taught by Dallas T.S. which feeds pastors into the Independent Bible Churches.

 

[TruthDefender]

As one who was raised in the SBC, I can tell you that it does not have dispensationalism as part of its Statement of Faith unless it was added in recent years. My understanding is that the doctrine is taught by Dallas T.S. which feeds pastors into the Independent Bible Churches.

Got it! I just know to run the other way when they follow someone’s doctrine. The gospel is not from men, period. Right?

 

[Aaron56]

As one who was raised in the SBC, I can tell you that it does not have dispensationalism as part of its Statement of Faith unless it was added in recent years. My understanding is that the doctrine is taught by Dallas T.S. which feeds pastors into the Independent Bible Churches.

Source: https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...success-story-of-dispensationalism-prof-says/

"By the 1920s and 1930s, dispensationalism had become identified with Baptist fundamentalists and from then on gained strength. By 1985, about half of Southern Baptists who thought of themselves as conservatives were dispensationalists, making the Southern Baptist Convention the movement’s “biggest success story,” Weber said."

 

[TruthDefender]

Source: https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...success-story-of-dispensationalism-prof-says/

"By the 1920s and 1930s, dispensationalism had become identified with Baptist fundamentalists and from then on gained strength. By 1985, about half of Southern Baptists who thought of themselves as conservatives were dispensationalists, making the Southern Baptist Convention the movement’s “biggest success story,” Weber said."

Too many Christian factions who follow men’s doctrine. It makes your head spin!

 

[Churchgoer]

Source: https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...success-story-of-dispensationalism-prof-says/

"By the 1920s and 1930s, dispensationalism had become identified with Baptist fundamentalists and from then on gained strength. By 1985, about half of Southern Baptists who thought of themselves as conservatives were dispensationalists, making the Southern Baptist Convention the movement’s “biggest success story,” Weber said."

Moody Bible college too. I went to their website and read moody s arguments on this topic, it just doesn't seem logical.
I don't understand why so many Christians, theologians buy into it.

J. Piper and r c sprout are good, they don't buy that.

 

[Churchgoer]

Sproul.

 

[GWH]

Source: https://www.baptistpress.com/resour...success-story-of-dispensationalism-prof-says/

"By the 1920s and 1930s, dispensationalism had become identified with Baptist fundamentalists and from then on gained strength. By 1985, about half of Southern Baptists who thought of themselves as conservatives were dispensationalists, making the Southern Baptist Convention the movement’s “biggest success story,” Weber said."

The classic 7-dispensation scheme includes:

1. Innocence: Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
2. Conscience: From the Fall until Noah.
3. Human Government: From Noah until the Tower of Babel.
4. Promise: The era of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
5. Law: From Moses until the death of Christ.
6. Grace (The Church Age): The current age, characterized by the Holy Spirit's indwelling.
7. Millennium: Christ’s literal 1,000-year reign on earth to fulfill Old Testament covenants. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The 2000 BF&M includes:

I.	The Scriptures
II.	God
	A. God the Father
	B. God the Son
	C. God the Holy Spirit
III.	Man
IV.	Salvation
V.	God's Purpose of Grace
VI.	The Church
VII.	Baptism and the Lord's Supper
VIII.	The Lord's Day
IX.	The Kingdom
X.	Last Things
XI.	Evangelism and Missions
XII.	Education
XIII.	Stewardship
XIV.	Cooperation
XV.	The Christian and the Social Order
XVI.	Peace and War
XVII	Religious Liberty
XVIII.	The Family

There is nothing about dispensationalism.
Nor is the SBC considered to be fundamentalist.

Someone is confused.