I'm saying what Paul said. God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. Reconciliation is the cessation of hostilities between two parties. Christ's death was more than sufficient for God to do his part. Those who wish to reconcile with God will do their part.
Scripture tells us the Lord Jesus Christ is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".
If anyone is "a proponent of the error of univeralism", it would be you with your "those whom Christ died for" schtick ... because Scripture clearly states that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... yet we know some will be cast into the lake of fire.
I already stated that, but its also passive voice, the subject is being caused to obey God is the cause. Ezk 36:26-27
You in outright rebellion against what Paul said, Paul wrote Rom 5:10
Yes by not imputing their sins unto them, Read it here 2 Cor 5:19
Thats True also, but not for all mankind, only for them written in the Lambs book of life, the elect
First there is no such thing as reconciled enemies. Once reconciliation takes place, they become friends. Don't force words to say what they don't mean.
I have not denied Rom. 5:10. I deny your interpretation. There is a difference. If you feel free to make words mean whatever you want them to mean, then how is that working out for you?
Yeah but not for all mankind, God has a chosen covenant people
Not all mankind , only the part He reconciled by His death and saved by His Life Rom 5:10 . He could not have died for them going into the lake of fire Matt 25:41 them He sends away as workers of iniquity Matt 7 23
“You’re still missing Paul’s point. In Romans 5:10, he isn’t talking about every human being across all time, nor is he limiting ‘enemies’ to the people who physically crucified Jesus. Paul is talking about a kind of person — those who lived in hostility toward God. That includes the Jewish leaders who rejected Christ, the Romans who executed Him, and Paul himself, who persecuted His followers. The contrast works because Paul is saying that Christ died for people who were actively opposed to Him. That doesn’t mean Christ didn’t die for others as well; it simply means that in Romans 5:10 Paul’s focus is on God’s love for those who were once His enemies.”
Yes, that is what he wrote. But we understand what he wrote in the immediate context.
No thats conversion which Christ is the author of through His Spirit and word
Maybe your sins werent, but all for whom Christ died were !
Same thing, they were dealt with
All this mess is works
No you have denied Rom 5:10
I’m not saying Christ’s death was insufficient in any way. His work is complete and perfect. What I’m saying is simply what Scripture says: God has already reconciled Himself to us in Christ, but we still must respond to that reconciliation. A restored relationship always involves both parties. Christ opened the way fully — we still have to walk through it. That doesn’t diminish His work; it shows the depth of His love and the dignity He gives to our response.
The point is Paul is writing to and about all sinners He died for, namely the elect or His Sheep Jn 10. His People Matt 1:21; His Church Eph 5
He wrote Christs death brings us to God !! Thats subjective reconciliation, conversion, He is responsible for everything needed to bring about true Spiritual conversion and access to God.
I appreciate your concern, but I think we may be talking past each other. My point isn’t about how the reconciled are saved — that isn’t the question Paul is addressing in Romans 5:10. The issue in the text is when reconciliation takes place and who Paul is calling “enemies.” Paul’s contrast is between God’s action in Christ and our former state of hostility, not between different groups of people. I’m simply trying to stay with the categories Paul himself uses.
I agree that Scripture teaches God chose His people before the foundation of the world. That’s a settled truth. At the same time, Scripture also teaches that the Father has given the Son authority to give eternal life to whomever He wills (John 5:21; John 17:2). These aren’t competing ideas. One describes God’s eternal purpose; the other describes how that purpose unfolds in our experience. From our side of history, we encounter salvation as something Christ actively grants. From God’s eternal side, it is something He has already purposed. The two perspectives meet in the same people, but Scripture allows us to affirm both without contradiction.
