Adventists, Ellen G. White, failed prophecies and scripture

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Here is Moses

Exodus 19
10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

Here is Son of God

John 17
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

Luke 13
31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

2000 years is two days
 
Some look to the written law, and some instinctively know how God wants them to live, for what was written in applicable law is instinctively known to them
When I first joined internet debating websites, I couldn't remember what all of the ten commandments were. For the purpose of debates, I thought I had better brush up on them. What hit me was, I instinctively knew in my mind nine of them as written were in line with how God wanted me to live, and in my heart I wanted to live that way. As Paul said:
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15;They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Rom2:14&15
 
Well Im impressed you have readily admitted it. Most who insist you must obey the ten commandments are hesitant to.
This may not apply to you, but when people insist you must obey the ten commandments, they should add to that, they themselves transgress the letter of them. Otherwise they run the risk of crushing their brother and sister for whom Christ died.
I really don’t look at it that way. My word, my interpretation, my opinions have no importance on His Word.

Jesus Himself told us to obey His commandments. He didn’t say, “or I will send you to hell if you are not successful, or they bring salvation, He told us to obey them .

No interpretation is necessary. I believe He put it perfectly, “If you live Me, keep My commandments.” That is fairly clear don’t you think?
 
I really don’t look at it that way. My word, my interpretation, my opinions have no importance on His Word.

Jesus Himself told us to obey His commandments. He didn’t say, “or I will send you to hell if you are not successful, or they bring salvation, He told us to obey them .

No interpretation is necessary. I believe He put it perfectly, “If you live Me, keep My commandments.” That is fairly clear don’t you think?
What does it mean to obey the commandments of Jesus?
 
I really don’t look at it that way. My word, my interpretation, my opinions have no importance on His Word.

Jesus Himself told us to obey His commandments. He didn’t say, “or I will send you to hell if you are not successful, or they bring salvation, He told us to obey them .

No interpretation is necessary. I believe He put it perfectly, “If you live Me, keep My commandments.” That is fairly clear don’t you think?
As I previously told you, Jesus was referring to the commands he was teaching the people.
Which primarily concerned examples of loving others.
IE
If you love someone enough you will carry a heavy load of theirs not one mile but two
If you love the poor, blind and beggars enough, you will not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather them
If you love someone enough, you will lend to them without expecting anything back.
If you loved someone enough who stole from you, you would offer them more than what they stole
etc
Confirmation:
Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ. Gal6:2
 
As I previously told you, Jesus was referring to the commands he was teaching the people.
Which primarily concerned examples of loving others.
IE
If you love someone enough you will carry a heavy load of theirs not one mile but two
If you love the poor, blind and beggars enough, you will not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather them
If you love someone enough, you will lend to them without expecting anything back.
If you loved someone enough who stole from you, you would offer them more than what they stole
etc
Confirmation:
Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ. Gal6:2
Jesus is simply telling us to obey - follow / keep / honor His 10 Commandments.
 
If John14:15 refers to the ten commandments, Paul obviously did not understand Jesus teaching
 
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

Which law is Paul writing about in the above?
In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of the law he is writing about, the example given is ''thou shalt not covet'' one of the ten commandments
 
There is absolutely no way Israel was capable of keeping His 10 commandments- not even for a long minute! Only God is capable of fulfilling them - He is perfect in every way.

Just as God revealed Himself to Israel in the Tanakh, He also revealed Himself in His Word. No one in Israel would ever claim they were capable of honoring them.

But the Messiah did come to His people and show them what it looks like to obey them completely. Every day during His ministry He was showing them His character, His perfect nature, and His laws put into practice during those 3.5 years.

He knew no one could possibly keep them… which is why He designed a plan of salvation that didn’t take away His laws, but offered a way to be seen / found to be without sin at the time of our resurrection.

God did not eliminate or water down His 10 Commandments—- the left side of this equation did not change by His coming and sacrifice on the cross.

It was the right side of this equation that changed! By accepting Jesus sacrifice for OUR sins, we will not be judged by the law.
The left side of the equation changed as well. We can keep the commandments. The law has been written in our minds and our hearts. This means God has given us understanding of it and an affection for it. We can say as David did that we delight in the law of the Lord and His word has become a lamp unto our feet. And as we walk in the Spirit, we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We have been endued with power from on High. The problem is that so few Christians appropriate the power within us that raised Jesus from the dead.
 
Here is the true difference here
Im sure, people who insist the ten commandments must be obeyed would be horrified at the thought of not observing a saturday sabbath. They would consider they could not then be entitled to enter Heaven as they, for them would be disobeying that law. But do they hold all of the ten in that high regard?
There is no watered down version of the ten commandments in the bible.
Would these people feel they could not expect to enter Heaven if they failed to obey the ten on the inside? Thoughts, desires, lusts of the flesh? Or, would they dismiss that as trivial?

When I was young, I was distraught at my faliures to obey on the inside, it left me with huge guilt, and a feeling I could not expect to enter Heaven, as I suffered from lust/impure thoughts/sexual desire, for people who were not my spouse.
So I was holding the law to the pristene level it is set at
I do not believe those who keep insisting 'you must obey the Ten Commandments, the law of thou shalt NOT, do hold the law for them to the pristene level it is set at, they must water it down for convenience, or they would be crushed
This is very insightful. Focusing on the shalt nots will never keep us from sinning. Walking in the Spirit is about performing the thou shalts.
 
Please explain if you will.
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

Which law is Paul writing about in the above?
In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of the law he is writing about, the example given is ''thou shalt not covet'' one of the ten commandments
 
Our hearts were changed from loving our sin to being horrified by them. What we embraced before, we now abhor.
 
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So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

Which law is Paul writing about in the above?
In the next five verses he tells us, he gives an example of the law he is writing about, the example given is ''thou shalt not covet'' one of the ten commandments
Please note the following - I believe there are so many Christians that agree with some or all of your interpretations regarding the 10 commandments. I have a different understanding of.

1. Released from the law as a covenant of condemnation

Paul says:

You also died to the law through the body of Christ…”
“We have been released from the law…”
— Romans 7:4, 6


That means the believer is no longer standing before God under the old covenant as the basis of righteousness, judgment, and condemnation.

The law can reveal sin.
The law can condemn sin.
The law can expose the sinner.
But the law cannot give life or save.

So Christ’s death releases us from the law’s condemning authority over us.
But that is not the same as saying God’s commandments are now morally irrelevant.

2. Released from the law does not mean released into disobedience. I believe this is the fatal flaw in your argument.

If “released from the law” means “the Ten Commandments no longer need to be obeyed,” then Paul’s own example creates a problem.

Paul quotes:

You shall not covet.”
— Romans 7:7


So is Paul saying Christians are now released from the command not to covet? Obviously not. And if that logic were applied consistently, then Christians would also be “released” from the commands against idolatry, blasphemy, dishonoring parents, murder, adultery, stealing, lying, and coveting.

That cannot be Paul’s meaning.

Paul is not saying:

You died to the law, therefore you may now violate God’s commandments.”

He is saying:

“You died to the law as your condemning master, so that you may now belong to Christ and bear fruit for God.” That is Romans 7:4.

3. Paul’s conclusion is not no obedience, but new obedience.

Romans 7:6 says:

We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”

Notice the word serve. Paul does not say, “We no longer serve God.”
He says we now serve God in a different way. Not
under the oldness of the letter.
Not as condemned sinners trying to gain righteousness through the law.
But by the Spirit, belonging to Christ, bearing fruit for God.

Romans 8:4 confirms this:

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

That is the clearest correction to the wrong interpretation of Romans 7:4–

Paul does not say the righteousness of the law is abolished.
He says it is fulfilled in those who walk according to the


Therefore, I agree Romans 7 includes the Ten Commandments because Paul quotes “You shall not covet.” But I do not agree that “released from the law” means Christians are released from obeying God’s commandments. If that were Paul’s meaning, then Christians would be free to covet, steal, commit adultery, murder, lie, and worship idols. That is not Paul’s argument.

Paul says we died to the law so that we might “belong to another,” meaning Christ, and “bear fruit for God.” That is not freedom from obedience. That is freedom from the law as a condemning covenant, so that we may now serve God in the new way of the Spirit.

Romans 7:6 does not say we no longer serve. It says we serve in newness of Spirit, not oldness of letter. And Romans 8:4 says the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk after the Spirit.
 
2. Released from the law does not mean released into disobedience. I believe this is the fatal flaw in your argument.

If “released from the law” means “the Ten Commandments no longer need to be obeyed,” then Paul’s own example creates a problem.
Let's concise it to the above.
I agree with the first part of your post btw.
But there is no fatal flaw here. Dying to the law is dying to righteousness of obeying it. We are released from the law, as in looking to it, striving to obey it in order to live a holier life. That was the old way, but not the new.
The believer has been born again of the Spirit, they are a new creation, the Spirit dwells in them, they are set apart from those not born again. Many views similar to yours would be apt for those not born again. None of this existed under the old covenant, therefore, they, not us were to look to the law and strive to obey it.
This is how to grow in holiness.

The believer is called to look away from themselves and to Christ. While you are doing this, you cannot be seeking to wilfully follow after the flesh, it is one or the other. Whilst you are looking to Christ, and trusting him to bring you to live an evermore holy life, via the sanctification of the Spirit, you will transgress the letter of the law for that letter kills(2Cor3:6) But, as long as we are looking to Christ, we will grow in holiness.

The more we look to Christ, and rely on the Spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in our lives(Gal5:22) Against that fruit there is no law(verse23) For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life.

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh Phil3:3

Putting your confidence in self, rather than God, will not lead to holy living.
 
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Let's concise it to the above.
I agree with the first part of your post btw.
But there is no fatal flaw here. Dying to the law is dying to righteousness of obeying it. We are released from the law, as in looking to it, striving to obey it in order to live a holier life. That was the old way, but not the new.
The believer has been born again of the Spirit, they are a new creation, the Spirit dwells in them, they are set apart from those not born again. Many views similar to yours would be apt for those not born again. None of this existed under the old covenant, therefore, they, not us were to look to the law and strive to obey it.
This is how to grow in holiness.

The believer is called to look away from themselves and to Christ. While you are doing this, you cannot be seeking to wilfully follow after the flesh, it is one or the other. Whilst you are looking to Christ, and trusting him to bring you to live an evermore holy life, via the sanctification of the Spirit, you will transgress the letter of the law for that letter kills(2Cor3:6) But, as long as we are looking to Christ, we will grow in holiness.

The more we look to Christ, and rely on the Spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in our lives(Gal5:22) Against that fruit there is no law(verse23) For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life.

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh Phil3:3

Putting your confidence in self, rather than God, will not lead to holy living.
Okay.
 
I really don’t look at it that way. My word, my interpretation, my opinions have no importance on His Word.

Jesus Himself told us to obey His commandments. He didn’t say, “or I will send you to hell if you are not successful, or they bring salvation, He told us to obey them .

No interpretation is necessary. I believe He put it perfectly, “If you live Me, keep My commandments.” That is fairly clear don’t you think?
Does Jesus say "commandments" or "ten commandments"?

Are Gentiles in the New Testament ever told that they are under the law?